The Cassiopaea Session Transcripts

July 1994 - March 2024

The Cassiopaea Forum

1 Introduction

1.1 What is “Cassiopaea”?

The name “Cassiopaea” was given by a consciously “channeled source” which Laura Knight-Jadyczk accessed in 1994 after two years of experimental work. The source identified itself by saying “we are you in the future.” Modern physics does not provide us with practical means for this type of communication, and theories on this subject are not well developed; they are, in fact, inconclusive and controversial.

When interpreting “we are you in the future” in an oversimplified way, we are faced with causal paradoxes. On the other hand, from the theoretical papers published in physics journals we can learn that, with a proper and careful interpretation, and taking into account quantum uncertainties, communication into the past cannot be dismissed as impossible. Improbable perhaps is the right word, but there are many things that are improbable and yet happen.

The more improbable is a given phenomenon, the more information is carried by its occurrence, the more we can learn by its study.

That is why we did not dismiss the “we are you in the future” as impossible and therefore ignorable. Instead we decided to continue the “communications” as a form of a controlled experiment in “superluminal thought transfer” — even if it was clear that the term should be considered as a tentative indication of only one out several possible interpretations.

The information received from this experiment is presented in the context of broad ranging historical, scientific and other metaphysical material and offers the clues that have led to the world view and inferences presented by us in our numerous publications on this website and in print. Perhaps it is only our own “subconscious mind” that presents itself as a “source,” but even if it is so, does that tell us more? Do we really know what “unconscious mind” is and of what is it capable?

We sometimes ask ourselves if the Cassiopaeans are who they say they are, because we do not take anything as unquestionable truth. We take everything with a grain of salt, even if we consider that there is a good chance that it is truth. We are constantly analyzing this material as well as a great quantity of other material that comes to our attention from numerous fields of science and mysticism. We find it to be quite extraordinary that the Cassiopaean Material is so closely aligned with the teachings of the great Sufi master, Ibn Al-’Arabi, with the Fourth Way Teachings of Gurdjieff, Castaneda, with the Esoteric Christianity of Boris Mouravieff, and even ancient Altaic Shamanism. In this sense, the Cassiopaean Experiment is truly a Fourth Way work.

1.2 About this book

This book is a growing compilation of the Cassiopaean Experiment session transcripts that can be found on the Cassiopaea Forum. Since the communication is still ongoing and old transcripts are being reviewed and published, it’s only a snapshot of the repository, which can be outdated. The main purpose of this book is archival: to have the ability to read and ponder the material while offline.

The reader is advised to visit the Cassiopaea Forum to read about the ramifications and context of the session of interest, because those are not included in this compilation and often can change the meaning or work out some vagueness.

2 1994

2.1 July 16, 1994

“Frank”, “Candy” and Laura

Q: Hello.

A: Hello.

Q: Do you have any messages for us?

A: Keep doing what comes naturally.

Q. (L) In what respect?

A: Study.

Q: (L) What is your name?

A: Mucpeor.1

Q: (L) Are you an alien from another planet?

A: Alien from your perspective, yes.

Q: (L) What is your group called?

A: Corsas.

Q: (L) Where are you from?

A: Casiopaea.

Q: (L) Where is that?

A: Near Orion.

Q: (L) I heard that the Orions are the “Bad guys.” Are the Orion group bad?

A: Some bad.

Q: (L) Do you serve self or others?

A: I serve both.

Q: Are you bad or good?

A: Good.

Q: (L) What is your philosophy?

A: One.

Q: (L) What are you here for tonight?

A: Prophecy.

Q: (L) What prophecies?

A: Tornadoes Florida - several.

Q: Where else?

A: Also Texas and Alabama.

Q: (L) When?

A: Sun is in Libra.2

Q: (L) What planet are you from?

A: Corsoca.3

Q: Where is that?

A: 2 DILOR. [Some confusion about this as the planchette had begun to mover rather quickly and this is not complete.]

Q: What was that again?

A: You pay attention.

Q: (L) What else is going to happen?

A: Seattle buried; Japan buckles; Missouri shakes; California crumbles; Arizona burns.

Q: [Unknown question.]

A: Go to Denver airports.

Q: (L) When is all this going to happen?

A: Scandal - Scandal - Denver Airport.

Q: (L) What about the Denver airport?

A: Scandal.

Q: I don’t understand.

A: New Denver airport.

Q: I don’t understand.

A: Pay attention.

Q: Okay, we are paying attention. What are you trying to tell us?

A: Denver new airport big, big, big, big scandal.

Q: (L) What kind of scandal?

A: Government.

Q: (L) Specifically what?

A: You will see. Dallas airport is secret base; Orlando too; Miami Too.

Q: (L) What about Denver airport and how does it relate to prophecies?

A: Denver reveals the government. Look for it. Pay attention.

Q: (L) What else do you have to tell us?

A: Montana: Experiment with human reproduction. All people there - rays - radon gas.

Q: (L) How are they doing this?

A: Compelled - Don’t trust - Don’t ignore - too strong urges - sinister plots.

Q: (L) What do you mean? I don’t understand?

A: Strong urge is directed by sinister plot.

Q: Plot by whom?

A: Consortium.

Q: (L) Who are the members of the consortium? Aliens? The government?

A: All.

Q: (L) All who?

A: Government and other.

Q: (L) Who is the other?

A: Unknown.

Q: (L) Why can’t you tell us who is the other?

A: You know who.

Q: (L) Bob Lazar4 referred to the fact that aliens supposedly refer to humans as containers. What does this mean?

A: Later use.

Q: (L) Use by who? How many:

A: 94 per cent.

Q: (L) 94 per cent of what?

A: Of all population.

Q: (L) What do you mean?

A: All are containers; 94 per cent use.

Q: I don’t understand.

A: Will be used. 94 percent.

Q: (L) Used for what? You mean eaten?

A: Total consumption.

Q: (L) What do you mean by consumption? Ingested?

A: Consumed for ingredients.

Q: (L) Why?

A: New race. Important. 13 years about when happens.

Q: (L) Why are humans consumed?

A: They are used for parts.

Q: (L) We don’t understand. How can humans be used for parts?

A: Reprototype. Vats exist. Missing persons often go there and especially missing children.

Q: (L) Do we have any protection?

A: Some.

Q: (L) How can we protect ourselves and our children?

A: Inform them. Don’t hide the truth from children.

Q: (L) How does truth protect us?

A: Awareness protects. Ignorance endangers.

Q: (L) Why tell children such horrible things?

A: Need to know.

Q: I don’t know how knowing this helps. This is awful. Why tell children such things?

A: Must know - ease pain with meditation.

Q: Why are you telling us this? It’s awful!

A: We love you.

Q: Are we supposed to tell others?

A: Don’t reveal to public. You would be abducted.

Q: (L) What is the purpose of this project?

A: New life here.

Q: (L) Are the aliens using our emotions and energies?

A: Correct; and bodies too. Each earth year 10 percent more children are taken.

Q: (L) Do they suffer?

A: Some.

Q: (L) Do they all suffer?

A: Some.

Q: What happens to souls? Is this physical only?

A: Physical - souls recycled.

Q: Where do the souls go?

A: Back here - most.

Q: Do some go elsewhere?

A: And go out of planet human.

Q: Who is responsible for this?

A: Consortium.

Q: (C) This is totally sick! I don’t want to do this any more!

A: Sick is subjective.

Q: (L) But what you are telling us is so awful!

A: Understand, but all does not conform to your perspective.

Q: Why is this happening to us?

A: Karma.

Q: (L) What kind of Karma could bring this?

A: Atlantis.

Q: (L) What can protect us?

A: Knowledge.

Q: (L) How do we get this knowledge?

A: You are being given it now.

Q: (L) What knowledge do you mean?

A: You have it.

Q: (L) How does the knowledge of what you have told us help us?

A: Gives great defense.

Q: (L) What knowledge gives defense?

A: Just gave it.

Q: (L) What specifically?

A: Don’t ask that not important.

Q: We don’t understand.

A: Knowing about it gives psychic defense.

Q: How do we tell other people? And who should we tell?

A: Inform indirectly only.

Q: (L) How?

A: Write.

Q: Should we use hypnosis to uncover such memories?

A: Open.

Q: (L) Have any of us been abducted?

A: Yes.

Q: Who of us sitting here?

A: All.

Q: (L) How many times?

A: Frank - 57; Candy - 56; Laura - 12.

Q: (L) Why has Laura not been abducted as much? (Laura laughs)

A: It is not over.

Q: (Candy laughs)

A: Candy was abducted last month. Laura - 33 - [years of age or years ago?]

Q: (L) Who is abducting us?

A: Others.

Q: (L) What is the name of the group?

A: Different names.

Q: (L) Are we all abducted by the same group?

A: Mostly.

Q: (L) What did they do to us?

A: Gave false memories. Made you inhibited child - headaches - sick at school.

Q: (C) Where is my implant?

A: Head.

Q: Frank?

A: Same.

Q: Laura?

A: Same.

Q: (L) What are the implants for?

A: Study device.

Q: (L) To study what?

A: Soul composition.

Q: (L) Do any of the rituals we perform provide protection against further abduction?

A: Don’t need protection if you have knowledge.

Q: (L) How do we get this knowledge?

A: Deep subconscious.

Q: (L) When did we get it?

A: Before birth.

Q: (L) Is there anything else we can do for protection?

A: Learn, meditate, read.

Q: (L) Are we doing what we need to be doing at the present?

A: So far. Need awaken. Must go now. Out of Energy. I must go.


2.2 July 22, 1994

“Frank”, Laura and “Candy”

Q: Hello.

A: Hello.

Q: Is anyone with us?

A: Listen, Look. Learn. Stop eating.5

Q: What is the problem with eating?

A: Not good connection.

Q: (L) What is your name?

A: Ellaga.6

Q: (L) Are you discarnate from Earth?

A: No.

Q: Are you an alien like we had the other night?7

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Are you from another galaxy?

A: No.

Q: (L) Where are you from?

A: Cassiopaea.

Q: (L) Is this the constellation we know as Cassiopaea?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) What can we do for a better connection?

A: Less noise. [There was activity in the next room. We shut the door.]

Q: (L) Do you have information for us this evening?

A: Space invasion soon. Four to six years. Battle between forces good and evil. Wait near. Look far. Listen. Mexico fall; Ethiopia quake; September - both - New Near - January - Paris bomb - London Blizzard - 109 die - Plane down - Tahiti - Cholera - Montana - January 1995 - government US - behind California quakes - Three soon - Oklahoma political abduction - February 95 - Big news.8

Q: (L) What is causing the Earth changes?

A: Electromagnetic wave changes.

Q: (L) Can you be more specific?

A: Gap in surge heliographic field.9

Q: (L) I don’t understand.

A: Put Frank on processor channel open.

Q: Do you mean that Frank can channel on the computer?

A: Yes. Do it now.10

Q: (L) Is a meteor or comet going to hit Earth?

A: Open.

Q: (L) What are the effects on us of the comet striking Jupiter?

A: Further field imbalance.

Q: (L) Was that comet meant for Earth as some psychics are saying?11

A: Open.

Q: [Unknown question.]

A: Bits childrens organs removed while wide awake - kidneys crushed - then next feet - next jaw examined on table - tongues cut off - bones stress tested - pressure placed on heart muscle until burst.

Q: Why are you saying these awful things?!

A: Must know what consortium is doing.

Q: What children are they doing this to?

A: Done mostly to Indian children.

Q: Why am I getting this horrible feeling while you are telling us this?

A: Because subject is distressing.

Q: Why do we need to know these things?

A: Very big effort on behalf of Orions and their human brethren to create new race and control.

Q: (L) Where are you from?

A: Cassiopaea.

Q: (L) Where do you live specifically?

A: Live in omnipresence.

Q: (L) What does that mean?

A: All realms.

Q: (L) Can you tell us what your environment is like?

A: Difficult.

Q: (L) Well take a stab at it.

A: What stab?

Q: (L) Do you serve self or others.

A: Both. Self through others.

Q: (L) Candy wants to know the details of her abductions.

A: Do you?

Q: (C) Yes.

Are you sure?

Q: (C) Yes.

A: Soon, vibrations not right at this time.

Q: (L) Does this mean Candy’s vibrations are not right to receive this information?

A: Right.

Q: Why was information about our abductions given last time?

A: Was not I.

Q: And who are you?

A: Ellaga.

Q: (L) Is there a tenth planet as described by Zecharia Sitchen?12

A: No.

Q: (L) Was Venus ejected from Jupiter?13

A: No.

Q: (L) Did Venus follow a cometary orbit for a time?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Did Venus appear in our solar system, from the area of Jupiter, coming from deep space as suggested by Velikovsky?

A: That is correct.

Q: (L) Was Venus the the pillar of smoke by day and fire by night as seen by the Jews during the Exodus?

A: No.

Q: (L) What was seen by the Jews?

A: A Guideship.

Q: (L) Were Sodom and Gomorrah destroyed by nuclear weapons?

A: Yes and no.

Q: (L) How were they destroyed?


Q: (L) What is “EMP”?

A: Electromagnetic pulse.

Q: (L) Was Jesus genetically engineered by Aliens as some channeled sources suggest?

A: Close.

Q: (L) Can you explain?

A: Too complex.

Q: (L) Was Mary a true virgin when she gave birth?

A: No.

Q: (L) Did she conceive in the normal way?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Who did she have sex with?

A: Her husband.

Q: (L) Was Jesus genetically altered?

A: After - in childhood. Use computer.14

Q: (L) We tried it. It wasn’t satisfactory. Was Jesus special, Christed as it is called, in any way?

A: Quick exalted - Yontar15 - ancient wars - civil entrancement - Zindar council.

Q: (L) What is the Zindar Council?16

A: Two cycle exchangers mission.

Q: (L) What does that mean?

A: References vast. Use Laura Channel computer.17 Must go.


2.3 July 27, 1994

“Frank”, “Candy”, Laura

After a brief encounter with an easily identifiable “dead dude,” whom we sent away, we used our Reiki symbols, asked specifically for our communicants from Cassiopaea and the following came through:

Q: We want to communicate with the Cassiopaeans.

A: I am Ra keeper of light.

Q: What are you here to tell us?

A: UFO not all bad.

Q: Why is the connection so bad tonight?

A: You see you are tired.

Q: [Unknown question.]

A: Level through 6.

Q: [Unknown question.]

A: Planet.

Q: [Unknown question.]

A: Always. Please let me go.

It was clear that the energy was very weak on this last contact. It was also curious that the character “Ra” came through and identified himself as a “keeper of light.”

2.4 July 30, 1994

“Frank”, “Candy”, Laura

Q: Hello.

A: Hello.

Q: And who do we have with us?

A: Name Panua Name Oz Name Pamala

Q: (L) Where are you from?

A: Corsoca.

Q: (L) Do you have messages for us?

A: Be careful.

Q: (L) Of what?

A: Aliens.

Q: (L) Which Ones?

A: Orions.

Q: (L) What do they do?

A: Follow you.

Q: (L) Did Ann, Candy and Laura see an alien craft last night?18

A: You better believe it.

Q: (L) Whose craft was it?

A: Orion.

Q: (L) Did it appear for us specifically.

A: No.

Q: (L) Do they know we saw them?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Did they leave because we saw them?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Were they planning to abduct somebody?

A: Maybe. You are next.

Q: (L) What?

A: To be abducted.

Q: (L) Who?


Q: (L) By whom?

A: Orion.

Q: (L) When?

A: Open.

Q: (L) Why?

A: For Knowledge monitoring. Craft above now.

Q: (L) Above the house?

A: Absolutely.

Q: (L) Is it good for me to be abducted.19

A: Neutral.

Q: (L) Will I be abducted because I saw them last night?

A: Partly. Mike and JW have reported you.20

Q: (L) Are they in cahoots with the aliens?

A: Not knowingly.

Q: (L) How, then?

A: Subconscious. Implants.

Q: (L) Do we have implants?

A: Two implants; one monitor.

Q: (L) What is the difference between a monitor and an implant?

A: All are monitors. Implant is permanent. Frank and Laura have permanent implants. Candy got monitor three months ago. Next is implant.

Q: (L) Why?

A: To watch and observe you.

Q: (L) Why?

A: You are all higher level beings. Frank implant: 4 years old. Laura implant: 5 years old.

Q: (L) Have Laura’s children been abducted?

A: Not yet.

Q: (L) Have Candy’s children been abducted?

A: One.

Q: (L) Which one?

A: Last.

Q: (L) Who is putting implants in us?

A: Orions.

Q: (L) And there is nothing we can do about it? That’s sick!

A: A matter of perspective.

Q: (L) What do the Orions look like?

A: Grays.

Q: (L) Are they big nosed grays like I have read about in some sources?21

A: Both kinds of grays.

Q: (L) Are they insectoid?

A: No.

Q: (L) Do they have hive souls?

A: No.

Q: (L) Do they have emotions?

A: No.

Q: (L) Do they want human bodies as hosts?

A: Some.

Q: (L) What is their planet like?

A: Similar to earth.

Q: (L) What planet is it described in several books as a desert with huge spiders with legs like tree trunks?22

A: Uzuli.

Q: (L) Has any of us ever been abducted by the giant spiders?

A: No one has.

Q: (L) Well why have people seen this planet?

A: It is one of the planets of ZR 4.

Q: (L) What is ZR 4?

A: Zeta Reticuli 4. There are seven planets. The 4th one.

Q: (L) What other information can you give us?

A: Base of Aliens near here small.

Q: (L) Are you the ones we refer to as the ‘Boys in Brazil’?23

A: Yes. Anclote Gulf Park24 used to be a military base. Underground.

Q: (L) Why underground?

A: To hide.

Q: (L) What group are you with?

A: Federation. Among many.

Q: (L) Is there any way we can prevent Orion abductions?

A: No.

Q: (L) Why?

A: It would interfere with universal law of free will and service to self.

Q: (L) But we don’t want to be abducted. Can’t we stop it?

A: Not likely. They have more power than you.

Q: (L) Well then, why can’t you help us?

A: Would interfere in natural progression of your race and theirs. Jews called upon us to save them - could not. And natives of your land from your race - could not stop that either. Natural progression, see?

Q: (L) Are we going to be wiped out by aliens as part of this natural progression?

A: Maybe. What makes you feel you are special?

Q: (L) Jesus told us God loves us. Is this true?

A: But it is the soul that matters, not the body. The body dies not the soul.

Q: (L) Well, this whole thing just gives us the creeps.

A: No. You are energy. There is an energy that comes from soul and body connection; later the body is used for parts.

Q: (L) What are they using our energy and bodies for?

A: Create a new race. Theirs fading out.

Q: (L) Well, do they just take people and kill them and do what with them?

A: Slice them up.

Q: (L) Do they die?

A: Maximum matter and energy transfer during transition.

Q: (L) In other words, you are saying that a slow painful death gives them the most of what they want? This is totally sick.

A: You asked for truth. You say it is sick but it is merely the ultimate form of service to self.

At this point my daughter, who was standing by and watching, described reading a passage in a book which stated that Native Americans believed a slow torturous death of an enemy gave them more power. As she finished speaking, the Cassiopaeans added:

A: What about your lab animals? Is that not service to self as well? What about unwanted insects et cetera?

Q: (L) We were here first!

A: So were insects. Grays now want your planet.

Q: (L) That is sick.

A: Is natural progression sick?

Q: (L) Is what is happening something like what Jesus described in the parable of the wheat where the workers come in to take out the weeds first?

A: Close.

Q: (L) What kind of people is this being done to?

A: Low level humans.25

Q: (L) What happens to the high level humans?

A: Some will survive.

Q: (L) Will Jesus be reincarnated into a body?

A: No.

Q: (L) Is Jesus an alien?

A: One of us.26

Q: (L) Will there be atomic war?

A: No.

Q: (L) Will there be a war in the sky with the aliens?27

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Will it be between Orions and the Federation?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Will it be visible on earth?

A: Oh, yes.

Q: (L) When will this be?

A: It has already started. Will intensify steadily.

Q: (L) Why are we not aware that it has already started?

A: Disguised at this point as weather. Fighting part still in other dimension. Will go to this one within 18 years. Anytime within this period. Not determinable exactly when. Could be tomorrow or 18 years.

Q: (L) 18 years from now is 2012. Is there some special significance to that time?

A: By then.

Q: (L) Will the earth be affected by a comet or planet?

A: Maybe. One at a time please. Stop thinking physical thoughts - they are low frequency.

Q: (L) What do you mean by physical thoughts? Who is thinking physical thoughts?

A: Anything to do with body or animal like - minimize as much as possible - that raises vibration level.28

Q: (L) Is vegetarianism then the way we should eat?

A: That is concentrating on the physical. The body is not important.

Q: (L) Does this mean that to worry about the body in any way is wrong?

A: Close. Don’t concentrate on life in the body. Concentrate on the spirit.

Q: (C) Does this mean Laura should ignore her heart condition?

A: Don’t worry about it. Treat the spirit.

Q: (L) Well, heart troubles mean that the heart is broken. Why is my heart broken?

A: Confused energy.

Q: (L) How can we improve the energy for reception?

A: Meditate in general.

Q: (L) But we like being in bodies and having opportunities to love and appreciate the natural world and all the beautiful things of creation. It is only natural to not want to terminate access to something that can be so pleasant.

A: Concentrating on trying to prolong life in the body. You will always have access.

Q: (L) Would we be happy moving to British Guyana?29

A: Not likely.

Q: (L) Will we be happy staying here and fixing this house?

A: More likely. No dish or clothes washers in Guyana. No electricity. No air conditioning. Are you ready for that?

Q: (L) But we don’t want to stay here and be eaten by aliens!

A: Aliens eat Guyanans too.

Q: (L) But where should we go when Florida sinks?30

A: Who said Florida was going to sink?

Q: (L) Are we chosen?

A: What is chosen? Only you can choose. The choice comes by nature and free will and looking and listening. Where you are is not important. Who you are is and also what you see.

Q: [Unknown question.]

A: Haven’t you figured out by now?

Q: [Unknown question.]

A: Up to you to discover. Use other medium for that.31 Have given enough. Must go.


As the reader can see, we were asking a whole lot of random questions about aliens and abductions that were based on the many things we had read or heard about the topic.

2.5 September 30, 1994

Frank and Laura (This is the first taped session.)

It should be noted that, at this point, I was rather hung up on the idea that any communicant should be “Christian” and should support the Jesus story so there is a lot of emotional investment going on here that could easily have skewed things. See also footnotes that I put at the end some time ago.

Q: Hello.

A: Hello.

Q: (L) Who are you?

A: Pamthora.

Q: (L) Are you the same individual who communicated with us last week?

A: No.

Q: (L) Are you from the same group?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Why are you with us tonight instead of the one who was here last week?

A: Frequency waves.

Q: (L) The frequency waves are different?

A: Close.

Q: (L) Are you better able to communicate with us than the one who was here last week?

A: Same.

Q: (L) I don’t understand what you mean about the frequency waves. Could you elaborate?

A: Too complex.

Q: (L) Okay. Does this mean that you are not going to be able to communicate complex answers to us tonight?

A: No difference

Q: (L) Last week we were talking about Jesus of Nazareth who became the Christ. Can we continue that subject this week?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Who was Jesus of Nazareth?

A: Advanced spirit.

Q: (L) Was Jesus born from an immaculate conception; that is did his mother not have sex with a man in order to conceive him?

A: No.

Q: (L) She did have sex with a man in order to conceive him, is that correct?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Who was the man with whom she had sex to conceive Jesus?

A: Tonatha.32

Q: (L) And who was this individual, Tonatha?

A: Acquaintance.

Q: (L) How old was Jesus mother, Mary, when she conceived Jesus?

A: 19.

Q: (L) Was Joseph upset to discover that Mary was pregnant?

A: No.

Q: (L) How old was Joseph when he married Mary?

A: 39.

Q: (L) Was Joseph unable to father children?

A: Close.33

Q: (L) What date, counting backwards in our calendrical system, was Jesus born?

A: 01 06 minus 14.34

Q: (L) What time of day was he born?

A: 6 am.

Q: (L) Was there any unusual celestial event in terms of star or planet alignments at that time?

A: No.

Q: (L) What was the star the Magi saw in the East that led them to the place where he was born? Was there an event where the Magi came to present gifts?

A: Close.

Q: (L) Who was it that came to present him gifts?

A: 3 prophets.

Q: (L) What country did these prophets come from?

A: Iran. Also known as Persia.

Q: (L) Was Jesus an individual who had psychic or unusual powers from birth?

A: Close.

Q: (L) Did he have an awareness from the earliest times of his life that he was in some way special or chosen?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) What was the “star” that indicated to the prophets…

A: Spaceship.35

Q: (L) What kind of space ship?

A: Mother.

Q: (L) Where did this mothership come from?

A: Other realm.

Q: (L) Does that mean other realm as in dimension or density?36

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Do we know of these other realms or densities as other star systems or planets?

A: Partly.

Q: (L) Jesus grew up to the age of twelve, at which point he was Bar Mitzvahed, is that correct?

A: He was Bar Mitzvahed at the age of 10.

Q: (L) Did he at that time receive training elsewhere?

A: Aramaic rite.37

Q: (L) Did Jesus, during the course of his growing up years travel to other countries and study under other masters?38

A: No.

Q: (L) Where did he receive his teaching or training?

A: Channeled to him.

Q: (L) Did he at any point in his life travel to India?

A: No.

Q: (L) Did he travel to Egypt and undergo an initiation in the Great Pyramid?

A: No.

Q: (L) He lived his entire life in Palestine?

A: Near. In that general area. The Bible is not entirely accurate.

Q: (L) When Jesus attended the marriage at Cana, whose wedding was it?

A: Did not happen.

Q: (L) Did Jesus feed thousands of people with a few loaves and fishes?

A: No.

Q: (L) Are you saying that all the miracles of the Bible are myths?

A: Remember this is corrupted information altered after the fact for purposes of political and economic gain and control.

Q: (L) Tell us what Jesus really did.

A: He taught spiritual truths to those starving for them.

Q: (L) And what was the basis of these spiritual truths?

A: Channeled information from higher sources.

Q: (L) What is the truth that Jesus taught?

A: That all men are loved by the creator and are one with same.39

Q: (L) Did he perform miracles?

A: Some.

Q: (L) Can you tell us about one or two of them?

A: Healing.

Q: (L) Was he able to literally heal with the touch of his hand?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Did he perform exorcisms?

A: Close.

Q: (L) Is Reiki the method he used to heal; or something similar?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Is there any way to enhance the Reiki energy to make it powerful enough that one could do in a very short time what now takes quite a while?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) What can one do to enhance the Reiki energy?

A: Attain lofty spiritual purity.

Q: (L) I have here two sets of Reiki symbols; which set is the correct or most powerful set: the first set or the second? {Holds up two sets of symbols}

A: The second set.

Q: (L) Are these the original Reiki symbols as given to Dr. Usui?

A: Close.

Q: (L) Are the Reiki symbols in the possession of Caroline the correct symbols?

A: No.

Q: (L) Are the symbols that Ann is using correct?

A: No.

Q: (L) Is Ann able to transmit the initiation in a full and powerful way?

A: No.

Q: (L) Is she just wasting her time thinking she is doing the transmitting as I suspect?40

A: Yours.

Q: (L) Is there someone I could go to for the correct initiation?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Do I know that person?

A: No.

Q: (L) Who do I know that may know that person?

A: Helen. VG has strongest ability.41

Q: (L) Does this mean that Vanna has the strongest Reiki ability of us all?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Is her Reiki more powerful than my Reiki?

A: Yes. Candy has no ability. Crosses yours out.

Q: (L) Are you saying that Candy has given me Reiki that has cancelled my own Reiki out?

A: Precisely.

Q: (L) We did four hypnosis sessions with Candy where she discussed abduction experiences and so forth. Was any of that information that she gave embellished in any way?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Was it embellished consciously or unconsciously?

A: Both.

Q: (L) Was she actually abducted by aliens?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) What was the purpose of her abduction? What were the aliens trying to do with or to her?

A: Vaginal probe.

Q: (L) For what purpose?

A: Reproductive efficacy.

Q: (L) But Candy has had a hysterectomy.

A: They found none.

Q: (L) Was she abducted more than one time?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) How many times has she been abducted?

A: 52.

Q: (L) How many times has Frank been abducted?

A: 53

Q: (L) Why have they been abducting Frank?

A: Mind.

Q: (L) What about his mind?

A: Programmed by advanced powers.

Q: (L) Did they abduct Candy 52 time just to do a vaginal probe?

A: No. That was the most recent.

Q: (L) What were all the previous ones for?

A: Study mind and tap emotions.

Q: (L) In other words, they have tapped her emotions?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Do they feed off of her emotions?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Do they feed off Frank’s emotions?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Is there any way to break that tap?

A: It is not continuous.

Q: (L) Do they tap my emotions?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Is this for our benefit?

A: No.

Q: (L) Is it the “bad guys” who have been doing this?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Is there any way we can disconnect these taps?

A: Keep channeling and meditating.

Q: (L) What does the channeling do to break the tap?

A: Informs.

Q: (L) Let’s go back to Jesus. Are the only miracles he did healing?

A: No.

Q: (L) What other kinds of miracles did he do?

A: Telekinesis.

Q: (L) Did he walk on water?

A: No.

Q: (L) Did he turn water into wine?

A: No.

Q: (L) Are these all just stories?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) What is the purpose of the stories?

A: Control.

Q: (L) Was Jesus crucified?

A: No.

Q: (L) Was somebody crucified?

A: Too vague.

Q: (L) Was somebody crucified on a cross and represented to be Jesus?

A: No.

Q: (L) There was no crucifixion, there was no resurrection after three days, is that correct?

A: Close.

Q: (L) Okay, what is the truth on that matter?

A: Left earth plane on ship after extended sleep state.

Q: (L) When did he go into this sleep state? Did he just go in one day and go to bed and go to sleep and then a ship came and picked him up?

A: Close.

Q: (L) So he appeared to his followers to have died?

A: They thought this.

Q: (L) Did he get up and say anything to anybody before he left on the ship?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Did he come back to life…

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And then he told them things he had seen in his extended meditative sleep, is that what happened?

A: Close.

Q: (L) Okay, what happened?

A: Told prophecies then proclaimed eventual return.

Q: (L) Was this information he got during this period of extended sleep?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) How long was he asleep, or in this state of semi-death?

A: 96 hours.

Q: (L) And then, a ship arrived and took him away, is that correct?

A: Yes. Upon pillar of light.

Q: (L) Are there any other miracles he did that are outstanding?

A: Miracles are subjective.

Q: (L) Did he raise Lazarus from the dead?

A: No.

Q: (L) Did he raise anybody from the dead?

A: No.

Q: (L) Okay, when he got to this other plane, what did he do?

A: Vague question.

Q: (L) Is there any special power or advantage in praying in the name of Jesus?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Well, if he didn’t die and release his spirit into the earth plane, how is this power conferred?

A: Prayers go to him.

Q: (L) And what does he do when he hears the prayers?

A: Determines their necessity against background of individual soul development.

Q: (L) You said that when a person prays to Jesus that he makes some sort of a decision, is that correct?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Well, how can he do that when millions of people are praying to him simultaneously?

A: Soul division.

Q: (L) What do you mean by soul division?

A: Self explanatory.

Q: (L) Do you mean soul division as in cellular mitosis where a cell splits and replicates itself?

A: No.

Q: (L) Does Jesus’ soul divide?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) How many times does it divide?

A: Endlessly as a projection of consciousness.

Q: (L) And what happens to this piece of soul that is divided or projected?

A: Is not a piece of a soul.

Q: (L) What is it?

A: It is a replication.

Q: (L) Is each replication exactly identical to the original?

A: Yes. And no.

Q: (L) In what way is the replicated soul different from the original?

A: Not able to give individual attention.

Q: (L) Are any of us able to replicate in this manner if we so desire?

A: Could if in same circumstance. The way the process works is thus: When Jesus left the earth plane, he went into another dimension or density of reality, whereupon all “rules” regarding the awareness of time and space are entirely different from the way they are perceived in your realm. At this point in space time his soul which was/is still in the physical realm, was placed in a state of something akin to suspended animation and a sort of advanced form of unconsciousness. From that point to the present his soul has been replicated from a state of this unconsciousness in order that all who call upon him or need to be with him or need to speak to him can do so on an individual basis. His soul can be replicated ad infinitum–as many times as needed. The replication process produces a state of hyper-consciousness in each and every version of the soul consciousness.42

Q: (L) Who was Jack the Ripper?

A: Dr. Bates.

Q: (L) Did he commit suicide and is that why the Ripper killings stopped?

A: No.

Q: (L) Did he just stop doing it?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Why did he do it?

A: Experiment human organs; he was a mad surgeon.43

Q: (L) Was Adolf Hitler possessed by demons or evil spirits?44

A: Close.

Q: (L) Was Adolf Hitler under the control of the negatively oriented aliens?

A: Close.

Q: (L) Where is Adolf Hitler now?

A: Sleeping.

Q: (L) How long will he sleep?

A: Indefinite.

Q: (L) Will Adolf Hitler return to incarnation at some point in the future?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Can you predict what kind of life he will lead in his future incarnation?

A: No.

Q: (L) The passages attributed to Jesus in Matthew 24 and Luke 21, where Jesus predicts the end of the age and his return, is that fairly accurately rendered?

A: Close.

Q: (L) Is Jesus, in fact, in a state of suspension, voluntarily, in another plane of existence, having chosen to give up his life on this plane in order to continuously generate replications of his soul pattern for other people to call upon for assistance?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) If one calls upon him more than once, does one get a double dose?

A: Define.

Q: (L) If one repeatedly calls upon Jesus does one get repeated replications or additional strength, power or whatever?

A: No.

Q: (L) In other words, once one has truly made the connection, that’s it?

A: That’s all that’s needed.

Q: (L) Has any other soul volunteered to perform this work?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) How many souls are doing this work at the present time?

A: 12.

Q: (L) Can you name any of the others?

A: Buddha. Moses. Shintanhilmoon.45 Nagaillikiga.46 Varying degrees; Jesus is the strongest currently.

Q: (L) What year did the Exodus occur counting backward from now according to our calendrical system?

A: 4670.47

Q: (L) At that time did a cometary Venus pass close to the earth and cause disruption?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Was Venus born from the planet Jupiter?

A: No.

Q: (L) Did it appear in the sky from the area of Jupiter?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Was the earth knocked into a new orbital position because of this activity?

A: Yes.

Q: Is an event of this type going to take place in the not-too-distant future?

A: Maybe.

Q: (L) Did an event of this type take place at the time of the flood of Noah?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) How many years ago did the flood of Noah occur?

A: 12656. (10,662 B.C.)

Q: (L) Was Noah an actual historical person?

A: Close.

Q: (L) Was Noah the same person described in the Babylonian or Sumerian texts as Utnapishtim?48

A: Close.

Q: (L) Which is the older civilization: Sumerian or Egyptian?

A: Sumerian.

Q: (L) Who were Enlil49 and Enki50, the Annunaki51 of Sumerian stories?

A: Great teachers.

Q: (L) Were they human or extraterrestrial?

A: Extraterrestrial.

Q: (L) Where did they come from?

A: Cassiopaea.

Q: (L) Was the human race genetically engineered to be slaves?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And who were the genetic engineers of this slavehood?

A: Lizard beings.52

Q: (L) Where do they come from: earth or another planet?

A: Other.

Q: (L) What planet from?

A: Qaddeera.53

Q: (L) What star system is that in?

A: Zeta Reticuli.54

Q: (L) Are the little gray beings from Zeta Reticuli also?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Are the little gray beings…

A: Cybergenetic.55

Q: (L) Are they created by the lizards?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Do they have souls?

A: They are Decoys.

Q: (L) Are the Lizzies currently with us?

A: Near.

Q: (L) Are the Lizzies planning to take over our planet?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Are they planning on landing and doing this openly?

A: Close.56

Q: (L) Do they utilize such things as possession by dark energy forms to effect their control?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) What other groups are they in cahoots with?

A: Orions.

Q: (L) How many members are there in the Orion/Lizzie group?

A: 16.

Q: (L) Who are the good guys? You say the Cassiopaeans are the good guys. Who else?

A: Pleiadeans and many others.

Q: (L) How many?

A: 16.57

Q: (L) Are the sides equally balanced?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Do the good guys abduct people?

A: No. They may contact and voluntarily transport.

Q: (L) Who really killed Abraham Lincoln?

A: Booth. Conspiracy.

Q: (L) Who was the head of the conspiracy?

A: Booth. But was not caught; was patsy stand in.

Q: (L) Was the story of Noah’s flood the story of the breaking up of Atlantis?

A: Yes. But symbolic.

Q: (L) How many people were on the planet at that time?

A: 6 billion.

Q: (L) Out of this six billion people, how many survived?

A: 119 million. (or 19 million)58

Q: (L) Was Noah’s flood caused by the close passage of another celestial body?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Which body was that?

A: Martek.

Q: (L) Do we know this body in our solar system now?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) What name?

A: Mars.

Q: (L) Was Martek an inhabited planet at that time?

A: No.

Q: (L) Did it have water or other features?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) When it passed close to the earth did it, in fact, overload our planet with water we did not have prior to that time?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Did we, prior to that time, have a water-vapor canopy surrounding our planet?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Was this the time of the major dying of the large dinosaurs?

A: Close.

Q: (L) What event transpired to kill off most of the dinosaurs?

A: Beasts.

Q: (L) What kind of beasts?

A: Mastodon, sabertooth tiger, giant sloth, etc.59

Q: (L) Was it a cosmic event that brought about the death of some of the largest dinosaurs?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) It did not happen at the time of Noah, is that correct?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Did it happen before the flood of Noah?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) How many thousands of years ago counting backward?

A: 27 million years ago.60

Q: (L) What event took place at that time that caused the death of the dinosaurs?

A: Comet impact.

Q: (L) Did a comet actually strike the earth?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Was it a large comet?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) How large?

A: 18 miles diameter.

Q: (L) Is there any regular periodicity or cycle to this comet business?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) What is the period?

A: 3600 years roughly.61

Q: (L) Was Velikovsky correct when he said Venus was on a 52 year orbit during a certain period in our history?

A: Close.

Q: (L) How many passes did Venus make through the solar system before it was precipitated into a regular planetary orbit?

A: 7

Q: (L) Where did Venus originally come from?

A: 19 light years away.

Q: (L) So, it is actually an extra-solar system visitor?

A: Yes.62

Q: (L) Is it true that at regular intervals the sun radiates massive amounts of electromagnetic energy which then causes the planets of the solar system to interact with one another to a greater or lesser extent?63

A: Other irregular pulsations determined by external vibrational events.

Q: (L) The sun is not the source of the periodicity of “dyings”, is that correct?

A: Sometimes. Many causes.

Q: (L) Well what is the cause that recurs like clockwork? Is there some cause that is a regular pulsation?64

A: Cometary showers.

Q: (L) Where are these cometary showers from?

A: Clusters in own orbit.

Q: (L) Where is the orbit of these clusters? Is it the Oort cloud?65

A: No.

Q: (L) Where is the orbit of clusters of comets located?

A: More specific.

Q: (L) A specific orbit containing clusters of comets?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Does this cluster of comets orbit around the sun?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Is the orbit perpendicular to the plane of the ecliptic?

A: Yes and no.

Q: (L) Does this cluster come into the plane of the ecliptic and cause havoc in the solar system?

A: Exactly.

Q: (L) How often does this cluster of comets come into the plane of the ecliptic?

A: 3600 years.

Q: (L) Is this cluster of comets the remains of a planet?

A: No.

Q: (L) Is the cluster of fragments in between the orbits of Mars and Jupiter the remains of a planet?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) What was that planet known as?

A: Kantek.

Q: (L) When did that planet break apart into the asteroid belt.

A: 79 thousand years ago approximately.

Q: (L) What body were the Sumerians talking about when they described the Planet of the crossing or Nibiru?

A: Comets.

Q: (L) This body of comets?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Does this cluster of comets appear to be a single body?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Is this the same object that is rumored to be on its way here at the present time?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Who were the Annunaki?

A: Aliens.

Q: (L) Where were they from?

A: Zeta Reticuli.

Q: (L) Do they come here every time the comet cluster is approaching to sap the souls energy created by the fear, chaos and so forth?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) The two events are loosely interrelated?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Is that why they are here now?

A: Close.

Q: (L) Is there a large fleet of space-ships riding a wave, so to speak, approaching our planet?66

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Where are these ships from?

A: Zeta Reticuli.

Q: (L) When will they arrive?

A: 1 month to 18 years.67

Q: (L) How can there be such a vast discrepancy in the time?

A: This is such a huge fleet that space/time warping is irregular and difficult to determine as you measure time.

Q: (L) Are these craft riding a “wave” of some sort?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) How many planets are in our solar system?

A: 12

Q: (L) Could you tell us the names of all the planets, their distances from the sun, the chemical composition, and the diameter.



2.6 October 5, 1994

October 5, 1994 Frank and Laura

Q: Hello.

A: You are good to do it this way without ritual.

Q: (L) What ritual do you want us to do?

A: None.

Q: (L) Does ritual enhance or prevent communication?

A: Constricts.

Q: (L) What is your name?

A: Donarra.

Q: (L) Where are you from?

A: Cassiopaea.

Q: (L) Why is it every time we communicate with you Cassiopaeans we get a different person?

A: Energy disbursement.

Q: (L) Who is the energy disbursed to?

A: The next in order.

Q: (L) Does that mean that you utilize our energy to disburse?

A: No. We disburse.

Q: (L) We have a series of questions we want to ask.

A: Go ahead.

Q: (L) Assuming there is a fleet of spacecraft riding a wave, and approaching from the vicinity of Zeta Reticuli, what does it mean to say that the space time warp is indefinite in terms of arrival? Why is this? Please specify.

A: Mass affects electromagnetic transfer within gravity wave.

Q: (L) In other words, if there is a large mass you are trying to transfer, is the problem partly because the mass itself spreads out over such a large area of space/time and must be transferred in stages or something along that line?

A: Close.

Q: (L) Can you help us out anymore here?

A: Mass affects time cycle: small equal short cycle; large or dense equals long cycle.

Q: (L) We would also like to have more information on earth changes. Is the Japanese earthquake that just happened as you predicted last week, the last of the Japanese problem? {An entire session had been lost due to tape malfunction. It consisted in part of a prediction of an almost immediate Japanese earthquake which did occur exactly as predicted.}

A: No.

Q: (L) Can you give us more on that…

A: There will be activity about 8.9: 67 miles off Osaka coast; 9.7: central Tokyo.

Q: (L) Are all of these going to happen within this year?

A: No. Within 16 years.

Q: (L) I would like more details about the man you say is the biological father of Jesus. Once again, what is his name?

A: Tonatha.

Q: (L) You said he was an acquaintance of Mary’s?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Was he selected for some reason to be the biological father of Jesus by other beings or powers.

A: Close.

Q: (L) Can you give us any details about him. What was his lineage, where did he come from, etc.

A: He was a member of the White Sect.

Q: (L) What is the White Sect?

A: AKA Aryans. Andarans.

{We didn’t as who were the Andarans, though it did come up again in a later session.}

Q: (L) Was Mary a member of the Essene group?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Was this man also a member of the Essenes?

A: No.

Q: (L) This person, Tonatha, was chosen to be the biological father of Jesus?

A: Yes.

{Note that the answer here is a “yes,” while the previous similar question that was qualified by “other beings or powers” was “close.”}

Q: (L) Why did Mary not marry him?

A: Feelings were extremely transient.

Q: (L) You are saying she was fickle?

A: No. Influenced by telepathic suggestion.

Q: (L) Was she already betrothed at this time?

A: No. Hypnotized level 1.

{This term, “Level 1” comes up over and over again throughout the text when a “predestined mission” is being discussed. So, we might assume that “hypnotized level 1” refers to behavior that is simply driven from the inner self with, perhaps, no conscious understanding of why one is being so driven.}

Q: (L) Did Mary and Joseph, once together, subsequently have other children?

A: No. But Jesus did.

Q: (L) Jesus had children? Who was he married to?

A: Was not.

Q: (L) You mean he had illegitimate children?

A: Subjective institutionally.

Q: (L) Who was the mother of these children?

A: There were three women.

Q: (L) There were three women?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Are they mentioned in the Bible?

A: One is but not by name.

Q: (L) Who was one of them?

A: Alicia.

Q: (L) What was the name of the second one?

A: Rafea.

Q: (L) The third one?

A: Vella. Romans.

Q: (L) All three of them were Romans?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And what happened to the children?

A: Survived and multiplied fruitfully.

Q: (L) How many children were there from the three mothers?

A: Three.

Q: (L) Is that, as some people claim, the true meaning of the search for the Holy Grail, that it is not a cup but the “Sang Real”, or holy blood line?

{See “Holy Blood, Holy Grail.” by Lincoln, Leigh and Baigent.}

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Are there any descendants of Jesus living today?

A: 364,142.

Q: (L) Was Jesus Christed in the sense of having some special mantle of power falling over him at the time of his baptism?

A: Nearly correct.

Q: (L) Is Guyana a relatively safe place in terms of earth crustal movements, earth changes, etc?

A: What is? Earth includes all planet surface.

Q: (L) Are there any places that are going to be safer than others?

A: Changeable.

Q: (L) Is the North Caroline/Blue Ridge Mountain area relatively safe?

A: What did I just tell you? Depends on vibrational frequency changes. No specific earth changes are accurately predictable until near event.

{This is an important clue that suggests that by changing the vibrational frequency of either ourselves or our planet, or both, that cataclysms can be mitigated.}

Q: (LM) Ask what happened to those people that just died in Switzerland that were talked about on the news. Were they murdered? {As we were conducting the session, my ex-husband was watching the 11 o’clock news and the story about the Solar Temple Cult suicide was aired. He came in to ask us to ask the Cassiopaeans what was really behind it since the story was just breaking and there were no details.}

A: Pact. Agreement. Covenant.

Q: (L) They all made a pact to commit suicide together?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Why? How many were there?

A: 48. Religious zealousy.

Q: (L) Did the United States government deliberately murder the Branch Davidians at Waco?

A: Close. Led them to destroy themselves.

Q: (L) How?

A: Psychological warfare tactics.

Q: (L) Did the US government set their compound on fire?

A: No.

Q: (L) Who set the compound on fire?

A: Branch Davidians. Drove them crazy.

Q: (L) Were ELF or subliminals used?

A: Yes. As well as other means.

Q: (L) Did OJ Simpson kill his wife?

A: Yes.

{Well, that was a hit, but a lot of people were already thinking that O.J. would beat the charges.}

Q: (L) Did he take the murder clothes and weapon to Chicago and leave it there in a bag as some people are saying?

A: No.

Q: (L) Where is it?

A: LA dump. One of them.

Q: (L) What gifts did the magi/prophets bring to Jesus as a baby?

A: Gold; spices; clothing.

Q: (L) What other realm did the mother ship come from that was sighted by the magi?

A: 5th density.

Q: (L) And what was the purpose of the appearance of this mother ship at the time of the birth of Jesus?

A: Too vague.

Q: (L) Was it here for specific purposes relating to the birth of Jesus?

A: To lead the prophets.

Q: (L) Was that the main purpose?

A: No. Also observation of event and encoding.

Q: (L) Encoding of what?

A: Infant.

Q: (L) Was that encoding done physically or telepathically?

A: Both.

Q: (L) What realm or area did Jesus come from before he was born into the earth in the body of Jesus of Nazareth?

A: 5th density.

Q: (L) He was a fifth density soul?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Had he had any other incarnations in other human bodies on planet earth?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) How many incarnations did he have before he achieved fifth density?

A: 1009.

Q: (L) Was Melchizidek an incarnation of Jesus?

A: No.

Q: (L) Was Joshua, the right hand man of Moses an incarnation of Jesus?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Are there any other incarnations of Jesus with which we would be familiar if you were to name them?

A: Yes. Socrates.

Q: (L) What was the spiritual relationship of Jesus to John the Baptist?

A: Pact.

Q: (L) What was the spiritual relationship of Jesus to Mary, his mother?

A: Pact.

Q: (L) There was no other spiritual relationship in the sense of being combined souls? {I had read where another channeled source suggested that Jesus, John the Baptist and Jesus’ mother, Mary, were all parts of a single soul that was too “immense” to incarnate in a single individual.}

A: No.

Q: (L) Were either Mary or John the Baptist fifth density souls?

A: Both.

Q: (L) Are there any fifth density souls on the earth today or any of recent times we would recognize?

A: Yes. Arafat. Sadat. Pope John V.

Q: (L) Do demons and evil spirits fear anything?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Do they fear any power that we, as humans, possess?

A: Yes. Knowledge.

Q: (L) Do they fear religious symbols, signs or figures?

A: No.

Q: (L) Is there any name or sign or symbol that can halt their activity?

A: Sometimes.

{It is curious that the Cassiopaeans have said that “demons” do not “fear” religious symbols, signs or figures, but that there may be some name, sign or symbol that can halt their activity! A most interesting clue.}

Q: (L) Were they afraid of Christ?

A: Yes. Because of his knowledge. The mass of his knowledge raised his vibrations. Knowledge is truly power.

Q: (L) Do pentagrams have any effect in slowing down or halting negative entities?

A: Only if you think they do.

Q: (L) Is the greatest power we have to resist demonic entities held in our free will: our power to say no?

A: No.

Q: (L) What is our greatest power?

A: Knowledge.

Q: (L) Does the accumulation of spiritual knowledge hold the key?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Is there any other clue you can give us?

A: You do not need anything else than knowledge.

Q: (L) You said the Exodus occurred in 2676 B.C., is that correct?

A: Close.

Q: (L) Was that the last passage of the cometary Venus?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Was this activity of Venus interactive with the close passing of the cluster of comets you have mentioned?

A: Close. One of three cataclysms close together.

Q: (L) If Venus was one of the cataclysms and the cluster of comets was another, what was the third?

A: Mars.

Q: (L) Was Mars knocked out of it’s orbit by Venus?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And the two appeared to do battle in the sky to the inhabitants of the Earth as Velikovsky described, is that correct?

A: Close.

Q: (L) Now, this cluster of comets, when was the last time it came into the solar system?

A: 3582 yrs ago?

Q: (L) What is the cycle?

A: 3600 yrs.

Q: (L) So, when is this cluster expected to hit the plane of the ecliptic again?

A: 12 to 18 years.

Q: (L) Are the aliens traveling with this cluster of comets?

A: No.

Q: (L) What land did Noah/Utnapishtim live in, what continent?

A: Atlantis.

Q: (L) Where did the ark land after the receding of the waters?

A: Egypt.

Q: (L) What caused Martek to pass close to the earth at that time since that was many thousands of years before the Venus interaction?

A: Planetary alignment gravitational aberration related to Venus.

Q: (L) So, there was a planetary line-up that caused Mars to be pulled out of its orbit?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) What was the event a hundred or so years after the flood of Noah that was described as the confusing of languages, or the tower of Babel?

A: Spiritual confluence.

Q: (L) What purpose did the individuals who came together to build the tower intend for said tower?

A: Electromagnetic concentration of all gravity waves.

Q: (L) And what did they intend to do with these concentrated waves?

A: Mind alteration of masses.

Q: (L) What intention did they have in altering the mind of the masses?

A: Spiritual unification of the masses.

Q: (L) Who were the “gods” that looked down on the tower of Babel, at those who were building it with the intention of unification, and decided to destroy their works?

A: Lizards.

Q: (L) Okay, so the Lizzies blew up the tower of Babel. What else did they do to the minds of mankind; did they do something causing literal disruption of their understanding of language?

A: Close.

Q: (L) What tool did they use to accomplish this divisiveness?

A: Brainwashing of masses.

Q: (L) Did they do this through implants and abduction?

A: Partly.

Q: (L) What is the true meaning, the original meaning, of the Hebrew word “shem”?

A: Purity.

Q: (L) Why was this word related to the obelisks or standing stones later called “shems” by the Hebrews?

A: Symbolic of purity: unification. Uniformity.

Q: (L) Did these stones themselves actually possess any power?

A: Residual.

Q: (L) What object were the ancients going to place in the tower of Babel to…

A: Crystal.

Q: (L) Is “shem” also synonymous with “crystal”?

A: Close.

Q: (L) Shem, the son of Noah, was the ancestor of the group that built the tower, is this correct?

A: Yes.

{Z. Sitchen writes: The Mesopotamian texts that refer to the inner enclosures of temples, or to the heavenly journeys of the gods, or even to instances where mortals ascended to the heavens, employ the Sumerian term mu or its Semitic derivatives shu-mu (“that shich is a mu”), sham, or shem. Because the term alos connoted “that by which one is remembered,” the word has come to be taken as meaning “name.” But the universal application of “name” to early texts that spoke of an object used in flying has obscured the true meaning of the ancient records. Thus G.A. Barton (The Royal Inscriptions of Sumer and Akkad) established the unchallenged translation of Gudea’s temple inscription - that “Its MU shall hug the lands from horizon to horizon” - that “Its name shall fill the lands.” A hymn to Ishkur, extolling his “ray-emitting MU” that could attain the heights of Heave, was likewise rendered: “Thy name is radiant, it reaches Heaven’s zenith.” Sensing, however, that mu or shem may nean an object and not “name,” some scholars have treated the term as a suffix or grammatical phenomenon not requiring translation and have thereby avoided the issue altogether. It is not too difficult to trace the etymology of the term, and the route by which the “sky chamber” assumed the meaning of “name.” Sculptures have been found that show a god inside a rocket-shaped chamber, as in this object of extreme antiquity […] where the celestial nature of the chamber is attested by the twelve gloves decorating it. Many seals similarly depict a god (and sometimes tow) within such oval “divine chambers”; in most instances these gods within their sacred ovals were depicted as objects of veneration. …The ancient peoples developed the custom of setting up imitations of the god within his divine “sky chamber.” Stone pillars shaped to simulate the oval vehicle were erected at selected sites… That the purpose of the commemorative stone pillars was to simulat a iery skyship can further be gloeaned from the term by which such stone stelae were known in antiquity. The Sumerians called then NA.RU (“stones that rise”). The Akkadians, Babylonians, and Assyrians called them naru (“objects that give off light”). The Amurru called them nuras (“fiery objects” - in Hebrew, ner still means a pillar that emits light…). “The 12th Planet,” Avon Books, New York, 1978. So, we see where Sitchin is going: a shem is a rocket ship. Never mind the fact that the descriptions in the ancient writings fit much better with the Cassiopaean explanation.}

Q: (L) How were Sodom and Gomorrah destroyed and the other cities of the plain? And by whom?

A: Nuclear; EM pulse. Who else?

Q: (L) The lizzies?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Why?

A: To implant fear and obedience.

Q: (L) Weren’t the Sodom and Gomorrans really evil and bad doing sodomy and Gomorrahy? {Well, the word Sodom has been used to coin the word “sodomy,” so why not Gomorrahy? I have NO idea what it might be, so the reader can use their imagination.}

A: That is a deception of history.

Q: (L) Did Lot’s wife get turned into a pillar of salt?

A: No.

Q: (L) Is there any symbolism in that particular story for us today?

A: No.

Q: (L) Was the god who communicated with Abraham one of the Lizzies?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Was the pact that Abraham made with the Lizzies?

A: Yes. Not directly.

Q: (L) Was Melchizidek a priest of the Lizzies?

A: No.

Q: (L) Did Melchizidek give Abraham the true information?

A: Close.

Q: (L) Is the Kaballah the true teachings of the good guys?

A: Close.

Q: (L) Is the Osirian cycle the exemplification of the action of the Lizzies upon mankind in terms of the cutting up of Osiris’ body as the breaking apart of the strands of DNA?

A: Close.

Q: (L) What was the Fruit of the tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil that was supposedly eaten by Eve and then offered to Adam?

A: Knowledge restriction. Encoding.

Q: (L) What did it mean when it said Eve ate of the fruit of the tree of knowledge? What act did she perform to do that?

A: Consorted with wrong side.

Q: (L) What does consorted mean?

A: Eve is symbolic.

Q: (L) Symbolic of what?

A: Female energy.

Q: (L) The female energy did what when it consorted?

A: Lost some knowledge and power.

Q: (L) Why was the eating of the fruit of this tree called knowledge of good and evil feared by god or gods to enable Eve to be equated with gods?

A: What? Clarify please.

Q: (L) Who was the god that feared that the eating of this fruit would make Eve equal to him or them?

A: No. {They were right. I had the trees confused.}

Q: (L) The Bible says that these gods said that they were afraid that man would now take hold of the fruit of the tree of life and live forever. What does this mean? Why did the eating of this fruit make god afraid?

A: Did not.

Q: (L) What was the fruit of the tree of life?

A: Limitation.

Q: (L) How can the fruit of the tree of eternal life be limitation?

A: Conceptually limited.

Q: (L) I want you to know that this does not make a whole lot of sense.

A: Yes it does. Think carefully.

Q: (L) Was the god who walked in the garden who warned Adam and Eve not to eat of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, was that the original creator god? i.e.

the good guy?

A: No.

Q: (L) Who was that god who ordered them not to eat of this tree?

A: Complicated. Laura you are missing the obvious.

Q: (L) In what sense would the fruit of the tree of life be limiting?

A: Believing that one source contains all knowledge is contradicting reality.

Q: (L) What was the flaming sword barring re-entry to Eden?

A: Do you not understand?

Q: (L) No I do not understand.

A: Review. If the concept was the eating of the fruit of the tree of knowledge provides all knowledge, then one is being deceived, because no one particular source can provide all knowledge. Therefore, when one believes in the deception, one has now trapped oneself within parameters. And, forevermore, the human race, will be poisoned by the very same problem which is reflected in several different ways: one is always seeking the truth through one pathway instead of seeking it through a myriad of pathways; and also believing in simplistic answers to very complex issues and questions.

Q: (L) What was the flaming sword barring re-entry into the garden of Eden?

A: Symbolizes trap.

Q: (L) A self-imposed flaming sword?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Where was Eden?

A: Earth.

Q: (L) The entire earth was Eden?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Was the “fall” in Eden, or the loss of the Edenic state, also accompanied by a cataclysm?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) What was the nature of that cataclysm?

A: Comets.

Q: (L) The cluster you have mentioned before?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And, how long ago did this occur?

A: 309882 years ago.

Q: (L) Was the loss of the Edenic state also accompanied by a takeover of mankind by the Lizzies?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Who were the original creator gods?

A: Us. Sixth Density.

Q: (L) The Cassiopaeans? Were the Pleiadeans also the original creator gods?

A: Same. Sixth Density.

{Note that the Cassiopaeans do not claim to be THE creator gods, but that it is a function of 6th density.}

Q: (L) What was the true identity of the serpent in Eden?

A: Lizards.

Q: (L) Who built the great pyramid?

A: Atlanteans.

Q: (L) What year was it built?

A: 10643 years ago.

Q: (L) Why was it built? What purpose was it used for?

A: Capture cosmic energy.

Q: (L) And what was this cosmic energy used for once it was captured?

A: Many things. Power, transport, healing, mind control, climate, et cetera.

Q: (L) Who built the sphinx?

A: Same.

Q: (L) Was the sphinx built at the same time?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Why was the sphinx built? What was its purpose?

A: Temple.

Q: (L) Are there records buried under the sphinx?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) What happened to Neanderthal man?

A: Removed by Lizzies to other planets.

Q: (L) Is that removed as in taken off the planet physically?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) What planet were they taken to?

A: Others.

Q: (L) Of the several places around this country that we have

thought about moving, which one would we be happiest in?

A: Indefinite.

Q: (L) Would we be happy in the Blue Mountains in Oregon.

A: Not determinable.

Q: (L) Shouldn’t you be able to give prophetic insights? {I was still stuck on the idea that a truly “valid” source would just give reams of prophecies that would come true. But, as we shall see, any source that does so as a “habit” is doomed to failure because of the probabilistic nature of reality. The future is not absolutely fixed! And therefore, only probabilities can be given, and then, only just before the event. However, the cyclical nature of “time” does give us a field of probabilities, and we were learning gradually of what this field consisted.}

A: Too many variables in this matter.


2.7 October 7, 1994

Frank and Laura

Q: Hello.

A: Hello.

Q: (L) What’s your name?

A: Bayreera.

Q: (L) Where are you from?

A: Cassiopaea.

Q: (L) Are you the next in line for the energy disbursement?

A: Precisely. You are learning well.

Q: (L) Are you disbursing the energy to us?

A: No.

Q: (L) Are we giving energy to you?

A: Near. Our disbursement is akin to taking turns.

Q: (L) Is there an advantage to taking turns as opposed to having one communicant?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) What is the advantage?

A: Energy equalization.

Q: (L) Is it difficult for you to make contact with us?

A: No.

Q: (L) Would it be difficult for you to make contact with others?

A: Becoming easier with you.

Q: (L) I would like to know the time of the great dying of the major dinosaurs, the big critters?

A: 27 million years as measured by your scale.

Q: (L) Regarding the “Fall” in Eden and the loss of the Edenic state, how long ago did that happen?

A: 309000 years ago approx.

Q: (L) What was the situation… what happened… what was the state of mankind?

A: Loss of faith caused knowledge and physical restrictions by outside forces.

Q: (L) What did the snake or the “tempter” represent?

A: Forces known to you as Lizzies; we have already taught you this.

Q: (L) I am just checking!

A: Faith dear.

Q: (L) I’m having faith, I’m just checking.

A: Suit yourself.

Q: (L) Who were the original creators of the human race?

A: Us.

Q: (L) The Cassiopaeans, correct?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) For what purpose did you create us? Was it a mandate from God?

A: Soul development or advancement.

Q: (L) The Sumerian story of the creation of human beings involves a story where they say they killed a god and mixed his blood and parts to mix with mud and then planted it in these female “gestation” goddesses and that this is where the human race came from. Now, this sounds an awful lot like what the “Grays” are doing at the present time. Did someone actually kill a “god”, break his soul in pieces, and thereby make the human race?

A: Symbolism and not correct event sequence.

Q: (L) What was that story about? What was the real seed event?

A: Lizard beings genetically altering the human race after battle for their own feeding purposes.

Q: (L) When did these events that these Sumerian stories are talking about take place?

A: 309000 years ago, approx.

Q: (L) So, it happened so long ago that these stories have lost the truth?

A: Reflection passed down through psychic memory channel.

Q: (L) What killed off the major dinosaurs?

A: Comet impact.

Q: (L) What was the source of this comet?

A: Cluster.

Q: (L) How long has this comet cluster been with us in our solar system?

A: 890 million years.

Q: (L) What was the origin of this comet cluster? Was it originally a large planet?

A: No.

Q: (L) You said the other night that there was a planet between Mars and Jupiter that was destroyed and became the asteroid belt. Was this planet ever inhabited by sentient beings?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) What caused this planet to be destroyed?

A: Psychic energy.

Q: (L) And where did the beings come from that lived on this planet? Did they evolve there?

A: No.

Q: (L) Were they also, like us, created beings?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Who created them?

A: Same.

Q: (L) The Cassiopaeans?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Okay, who created the Cassiopaeans?

A: Your super ancient spiritual ancestors.

Q: (L) Do these beings have a name?

A: No.

Q: (L) What are they called?

A: Transient Passengers.

Q: (L) Where are these “Transient Passengers” From?

A: Too difficult to explain on this medium; lengthy.

Q: (L) What is the closest you know to the original God/Creator force?

A: Seek other media. Computer.

Q: (L) This cluster of comets that you talk about that caused an impact, did one of the cluster impact the earth at the time of the dinosaur dyings?

A: No one was large enough for event.

Q: (L) Was it some of these comets in the cluster that hit the earth?

A: Yes. 14 hit at that occasion.

Q: (L) Does this cluster of comets orbit around the Sun?

A: Yes. Your government already knows they’re coming close again.

Q: (L) You said that the orbit is around the Sun. Where does it enter the plane of the ecliptic?

A: Varies.

Q: (L) Does it enter between Mars and Jupiter, for example?

A: Sometimes.

Q: (L) Is the orbit perpendicular to the plane of the ecliptic? Or is it at an angle?

A: In between.

Q: (L) What degrees of angle does it intersect the plane of the ecliptic?

A: Not correct idea structure. Picture a spirograph.

Q: (L) Do the comets orbit around themselves. Do they have a sort of axis?

A: No.

Q: (L) How many are in this cluster?

A: Varies.

Q: (L) Do they lose or pick any up from time to time?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) How big is the biggest one at this time?

A: 900 miles diameter. Spirograph.

Q: (L) The planet that was destroyed between Jupiter and Mars, you said was destroyed by psychic energy?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) What was the source of this psychic energy?

A: Beings inhabiting the planet.

Q: (L) Do beings in this area of the galaxy just sort of destroy their planets from time to time? Is this getting to be a habit?

A: Close. Has been.

Q: (L) Did any of those beings leave that planet and come to earth?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Who were they? Were they humans like us?

A: Blond and blue eyed descendants.

Q: (L) Was that a colder planet?

A: No.

Q: (L) Was that planet much like earth?

A: Yes.

A: Blue eyes. Eye pigment was because planet was farther from Sol.

Q: (L) How did the people of that planet come to earth? Did they know it was going to be destroyed?

A: Some knew and were taken by Lizzies and they are the Annunaki.

Q: (L) Now, you say that the father of Jesus was an Aryan. Where did he come from?

A: Palestine.

Q: (L) What is the origin of the Aryan race?

A: 5th planet now know as asteroid belt.1

Q: (L) When did they come to earth?

A: 80 thousand years ago? Difficult for us to use your measuring system.

Q: (L) Were they similar in form and structure to what they are now?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Why is it that our scientists have not been able to uncover evidence of such ancient existence?

A: They have. Do not want to acknowledge it.

Q: (L) Where do the Celts come from?

A: Same. Ferocious people. Came from fifth planet.

Q: (L) When was that planet destroyed?

A: 80 thousand years ago.

Q: (L) Were any of the descendants of Jesus famous individuals that we would know.

A: Yes. Yassar Arafat. Churchill.

Q: (L) You said that the Exodus occurred in 2676; is that B.C. or years ago?

A: B.C.

Q: (L) If the Exodus occurred in 2676 B.C., that is 4,670 years ago more or less, this would mean that this was not related to the comet cluster which came in 1588 B.C.

A: Correct.

Q: (L) Then, the comet cluster came by 8,788 B.C., is that correct?

A: Close enough.

Q: (L) Was there any historical cataclysm recorded in history that we could relate to that passing?

A: No.

Q: (L) And Noah’s flood occurred 12,388 B.C., is that correct?

A: Close.

Q: (L) Now, the time of the passage of Venus was the time of the Exodus, is that correct? Was Venus a result of this cluster of comets?

A: Semi-stimulatad by gravitational pull.

Q: (L) Venus was stimulated by the gravitational pull?

A: Attracted.

Q: (L) Venus was drawn into the solar system by the gravitational pull of the cluster of comets?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Where did Venus get all its gases and clouds and so forth? What was its origin? Where did it get all this stuff?

A: Collected during fiery, friction filled journey and space matter in general.

Q: (L) Where was Venus originally from?

A: Ancient wanderer from near Arcturus.

Q: (L) What are Mars’ moons?

A: Disguised bases.

Q: (L) Who built them?

A: Who else? The Lizzies.

Q: (L) The film I saw at Andy ’s house, the Mars landing, was that an actual film of a Mars landing?

A: False.

Q: (L) Has there been a landing on Mars by the United States?

A: No.

Q: (L) Is Al Bielek a phony?2

A: Semi.

Q: (L) Did he work on the Philadelphia project?

A: No.

Q: (L) Was he brainwashed to have fake outrageous memories?

A: No.

Q: (L) Is he lying deliberately?

A: Instructed by government for disinformation dissemination.

Q: (L) Did a space-craft of the Lizzies piloted by the Grays crash in Roswell?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) What caused the crash?

A: Ionization.

Q: (L) Were the bodies and the craft recovered by the United States Government?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Are the Majestic 12 documents…

A: Semi-factual.

Q: (L) Were they dummied up?

A: Near.

Q: (L) Who did this and why?

A: To leak information and disinformation. Many were involved. ONI and CIA.

Q: (L) Is the information in the book “Majestic”, by Whitley Strieber factual?

A: Semi-factual. There are many glaring falsehoods.

Q: (L) What is the source of the Native American Indians?

A: Asia.

Q: (L) Across the Bering Strait?

A: No. Rescued. Transferred.

Q: (L) By whom?

A: Grays.

Q: (L) What were they rescued out of?

A: Cataclysm.

Q: (L) When did that cataclysm occur?

A: 7200 years ago approx.

Q: (L) What was the nature of that cataclysm?

A: Comets.

Q: (L) Where do the Basques come from?

A: Atlantis.

Q: (L) Is their language the Atlantean language?

A: Derivative.

Q: (L) Which came first, the Sumerians or the Egyptians.

A: Sumerians.

Q: (L) Where did the Egyptians come from?

A: Atlantis.

Q: (L) Which came first, the Sumerians or Atlanteans?

A: Atlanteans.

Q: (L) Were the Sumerians a high civilization at the same time the Atlanteans were?

A: After.

Q: (L) Did the Atlanteans go to Sumeria and afterwards go to Egypt?

A: Traveled.

Q: (L) The Atlanteans traveled to Sumeria?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Did they set up outposts in Sumeria?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Then did the main Atlanteans move to Egypt when Atlantis was destroyed?

A: Yes. And elsewhere.

Q: (L) Where else did the Atlanteans go?

A: Americas. Inca. Aztec. Maya. Hopi Tribe. Pima tribe.

Q: (L) When the Jews were dispersed, did some of them come to America?

A: A few.

Q: (L) Who was the angel who communicated with the Prophet Daniel?

A: Us.

Q: (L) Who gave John Revelation?

A: The Lizzies.3

Q: (L) Who did Paul encounter on the road to Damascus.

A: Spirit of the 6th density.

Q: (L) If the Revelations are from the “bad” guys, are they an accurate portrayal of the end times?

A: Close.

Q: (L) What was the source of the prophecies of Isaiah?

A: Fiction.

Q: (L) What was the source of the so-called Cassiopaeans when Candy was present? Was that you guys?

A: Mixed.4

Q: (L) Does Jupiter have a solid core?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Was Zecharia Sitchen correct in his naming of the planets?

A: No.

Q: (L) Was the interpretation I gave to it more correct.

A: Better but needs help.

Q: (L) True meaning of the word “Shem”?5

A: Purity.

Q: (L) What language is the root of this word found in?

A: Atlantean. Hebrew.

Q: (L) Where did the Jews come from?

A: Atlantis.

Q: (L) Who was Yahweh.

A: Fictional being.

Q: (L) Who was the god that spoke to Moses on the mount?

A: Audible projection of Lizards.

Q: (L) Did Moses at any time realize that he had been duped by the Lizzies?

A: No.

Q: (L) Yet, the other night you said that Moses is also doing work with Christ on another plane, is that correct?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Well, if he was misled by the Lizzies, how did he get to be a good guy?

A: Taught afterward.6

Q: (L) After what?

A: Plane transfer.

Q: (L) Did Moses die?

A: No.

Q: (L) Who took him?

A: Us.


  1. The asteroid belt is a doughnut-shaped concentration of asteroids orbiting the Sun between the orbits of Mars and Jupiter, closer to the orbit of Mars. The asteroids have a slightly elliptical orbit. The time for one revolution around the Sun varies from about three to six Earth years. The strong gravitational force of the planet Jupiter shepherds the asteroid belt, pulling the asteroids away from the Sun, keeping them from careening into the inner planets. The asteroid belt may be material that never coalesced into a planet, perhaps because its mass was too small; the total mass of all the asteroids is only a small fraction of that of our Moon. Whether or not the asteroid belt is the remains of a planet that was destroyed cannot be definitely affirmed or denied. After reading a number of books and papers on the subject, one finds that those who say “impossible” don’t have much to back them up, and those who think that it might be possible can’t prove anything either. Those who think it was a planet suppose that it might have been fragmented by an impact by a large comet.

  2. Al Bielek is, apparently, a convincing speaker in the eyes of some people. He presents a wide range of popular references during his talks and weaves quite a tale in the telling. However, the information available prior to the 1983 movie, “The Philadelphia Experiment” did not concern the prospect of time transport. The stated focus of the “Philadelphia Experiment” project was to “achieve radar invisibility”. Mr. Bielek states that his “memories began coming back AFTER seeing the movie in 1988.”

    Many people get the impression that he incorporates new topics into his storyline as fast as he hears them, claiming that his “memory suddenly came back on that.” One major flaw in his story is the statement that Nikola Tesla was in association with and in charge of the Philadelphia project. This is highly incredible since the experiment supposedly occurred in July, 1943 and Tesla died on January 7, 1943 in New York City. Dr. Von Neumann (of computer fame) was supposedly involved in the “Philadelphia Experiment” with Tesla, Einstein and LeBon. Bielek says he is recorded to have died in 1953 or 1957.

    In Phoenix, 1986, Bielek’s memories recalled a site in Montauk which, according to Bielek, “might be where Von Neumann currently resides in obscurity”. Another major discrepancy, records indicate the original manned experiment occurred on October 28, 1943, NOT the 12th of August, 1943. Despite the irregularities, there were some interesting comments made in regard to time. The two most outstanding things about the public lecture was the showing of a slide purported to be a “Zero Time Reference Generator” which looks strangely similar to an old Army field kitchen refrigeration unit, according to Chuck Henderson’s military experience. No technical details were given or offered. This device was purported to be the oscillator which drove the coils of the experiment. Mr. Bielek claimed that the unit shown was used to synchronize two separate signals (one for each coil).

    The literature of the “Philadelphia Experiment” is replete with descriptions of the technology. If you get the chance to hear Mr. Bielek, it is highly recommended if only for entertainment. However, if you want usable data, good luck!

  3. Which does not, of course, mean that they can’t tell the truth sometimes!

  4. Pay particular note to this remark above. It was my sensation that “Candy” was a corrupting influence in her participation and focus on personal issues, and here we have the C’s confirming this. Keeping the connection clean has been an ongoing problem. Very often, the presence of a person with extremely negative, low or even aggressive attitude can “skew” the reception. But even in such cases, we are often able to retrieve the Cassiopaean intent by careful study.

  5. The reader will notice that I often ask the same questions over again, sometimes in a different way, and sometimes not. This was my way of “testing” the source in terms of consistency over time.

  6. This is an important point because it signifies that even if a person is deceived while in the body, the true frequency of that individual, and their intent to be of Service to Others means a lot.

2.8 October 9, 1994

Frank and Laura

Q: Hello.

A: Hello.

Q: Who do we have with us?

A: Baderea.

Q: (L) What do the Cassiopaeans look like?

A: Light form.

Q: (L) What do you mean by light form?

A: Humanoid light form.

Q: (L) Are you physical in atomic terms?

A: All according to the perceiver.

Q: (L) Do you mean you arrange yourselves according to what the perceiver wants?

A: No. It is according to perception capacity.

Q: (L) Can you appear to us?

A: No. Vibrational frequency envelope of your density prevents this.

Q: (L) Are you ever in any way physical?

A: Varying degrees according to realm.

Q: (L) Why are you communicating with us?

A: Because you called.

Q: (L) What are the differences between the Celts and the Aryans?

A: Geographic and cultural.

Q: (L) Are there any differences inherent from the former planetary home?

A: No. Post arrival difference development.

Q: (L) Were they the same prior to arrival?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Was Mars ever inhabited?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) By whom?

A: By those you now know as Sasquatch or Bigfoot.

Q: (L) Do they now live on this planet as a result of being brought here by other beings?

A: They are transitory. Do not inhabit on a permanent basis.

Q: (L) Well, how do they come and go?

A: They are the slaves and “pets” of the Lizard Beings.

Q: (L) How did the Sasquatch get here from Mars?

A: Brought by Lizard Beings but they do not inhabit earth.

Q: (L) Why have Sasquatch been seen in remote places throughout history?

A: Put there for menial slave tasks.

Q: (L) Does that mean that whenever Sasquatch have been seen that there is a Lizard nearby?

A: No.

Q: (L) What menial tasks might they be doing?

A: Collecting samples.

Q: (L) Why has everyone who has ever come in contact with Sasquatch commented on the awful odor of them? Why do they stink?

A: Organic functions.

Q: (L) What is it about their organic functions that makes them stink?

A: Sweat.

Q: (L) Who killed Sir Harry Oakes?

A: David Crofts.

Q: (L) Who was St. Issa of India.

A: Lama Kirtanah.

Q: (L) Where was he from?

A: Palestine.

Q: (L) When was he in India?

A: 13 and 14 A.D.

Q: (L) Is Frank’s mind programed?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) To do what?

A: To be an open channel.

Q: (L) By who?

A: Us.

Q: (L) You said one other time that he was also programed by the Grays.

A: Yes.

Q: (L) To do what?

A: To destroy himself.

Q: (L) Is this why it is important for him to channel?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Why do they feed off emotions?

A: To fuel their energy.

Q: (L) Details about Jesus’ extended “sleep” state.

A: He spent 96 hours in a comatose state in a cave near Jerusalem. When he awoke, he prophesied to his disciples and then exited the cave. 27,000 people had assembled because of mother ship appearance and he was taken up in a beam of light.

Q: (L) Why did we have trouble with the tape recorder?

A: Influence of Lizard beings. In your head.

Q: (L) Why didn’t you guys tell me the tape was not recording?

A: Must experience to learn to practice precaution.

Q: (L) I am going to give a list of planets written about in the Sumerian texts which Dr. Sitchen has interpreted. I would like for you to give me the true translation of these names. What was meant by {the Sumerian word}:

{In the following, the words to the left are what I called out and the words to the right of the colon are the C’s responses.}

Mummu: Comet cluster.

Lahamu: Venus

Lahmu: Earth

The Hammered Bracelet: Comet trail of Venus and cluster.

Anshar: Jupiter.

Anu: Moon.

Ea: Sun.

Gaga: Saturn.

Marduk: Mars.

Tiamat: Sirius.

Q: (L) You say that Christ gave into temptation, could you please clarify what that means to us?

A: Three women represented sexual temptation. He felt bad after each. He washed himself and asked for strength and forgiveness.

Q: (L) What did Christ write on the ground in the story about the adulteress who was about to be stoned?

A: Look into soul.

Q: (L) That is what he wrote?

A: Yes. Translation.

Q: (L) What, exactly, does the U.S. Government know about aliens?

A: That they exist.

Q: (L) Does the government have or did they ever have a treaty with any aliens?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Is the treaty still in effect?

A: Never was.

Q: (L) Did they try to get a treaty with them?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Did the aliens refuse?

A: No. Tricked.

Q: (L) How long before the U.S. government realized they had been tricked?

A: 19 years.

Q: (L) What year was this?

A: 1972.

Q: (L) Does the government have any alien technology?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Is this technology they were given?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Is this mind control technology?

A: Close.

Q: (L) Does the government have the ability to say, walk through walls as the aliens do?

A: Incompetent.

Q: (L) Does the government listen to us on the telephone?

A: Can.

Q: (L) The individual in the Karla Turner book who had an experience similar to virtual reality, inside a blue bubble, who did this?

A: Grays.

Q: (L) Who were the grays working for when they did that?

A: Lizard Beings.

Q: (L) Is M F working for either the government or the aliens?

A: Aliens.

Q: (L) Which aliens is he working for?

A: Lizard beings. Unwittingly.

Q: (L) What influence was Adolf Hitler under when he undertook to do the things he did. Who was guiding him?

A: Lizards. Indirectly.

Q: (L) What connection did they use to influence him?

A: Projected beings of human type, inspired forms of great Aryan spirits.

Q: (L) Can you tell us more about the six billion people on the planet at the time of Noah’s flood. Where were most of these beings living?

A: Atlantis.

Q: (L) In the upcoming cataclysms, which continent is going to suffer the most destruction?

A: As yet undetermined.

Q: (L) Why are there more abductions by the grays in the United States than in other countries around the world?

A: Government opened channel.

Q: (L) Are there alien bases in the United States?

A: Yes. New Mexico, Colorado, Off Florida, Appalachia, California.

Q: (L) Are these underground bases?

A: Yes. Also under water.

Q: (L) What age was I the first time I was abducted?

A: Three.

Q: (L) Who abducted me?

A: Grays.

Q: (L) What was the purpose of that abduction?

A: Encoding.

Q: (L) To do what?”

A: Kill yourself.

Q: (L) Why did they want me to kill myself?

A: Threat to reveal truth.

Q: (L) When did they abduct me next?

A: Age three.

Q: (L) Why?

A: Same.

Q: (L) Did they ever at any time do anything to my physical body to cause me problems?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) What did they do.

A: Implant.

Q: (L) What kind of implant and where?

A: Brain silicon.

Q: (L) Did they ever put one in the lower part of my spine?

A: No.

Q: (L) Was I ever abducted by you guys?

A: No. Contacted at age three. We do not abduct.

Q: (L) How did the grays know I would be a threat to them?

A: Image aural reading.

Q: (L) Is this the same reason they have abducted Frank so many times?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) How many times have I been abducted?

A: 17 (This is five more than previously stated)

Q: (L) How many times have they abducted Frank?

A: 53

Q: (L) Why have they abducted Frank more than me?

A: You fight it.

Q: (L) When was the last time they abducted me?

A: Age 22

Q: (L) When was the last time Frank?

A: Age 23

Q: (L) So they haven’t been abducting us for quite some time, is that it?

A: So far.

Q: (L) Do they have any plans to abduct either of us again?

A: Maybe.

Q: (L) Is there any way we can prevent it?

A: Knowledge channel.

Q: (L) Could you describe to me the true meaning of the Osirian cycle. What was the symbology of the killing of Osiris and the cutting up of the body?

A: Removal of knowledge centers.

Q: (L) Knowledge centers in what?

A: Your DNA.

Q: (L) So, the breaking up of Osiris’ body represents the breaking up of the DNA in our bodies?

A: Partly. Also means knowledge capacity reduction.

Q: (L) What was the symbology of the throwing of the phallus into the river and it’s being eaten by three fishes?

A: Sexual violence energy introduction.

Q: (L) What did Isis searching for her lord Osiris symbolize?

A: Separation of female energy from male energy union.

Q: (L) Does this have anything to do with brain activity?

A: Yes. The separating of the hemispheres of the brain.

Q: (L) Was this achieved through DNA modification?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) What did the son of Isis, Horus, represent?

A: New reality of limitation.

Q: (L) What is the meaning of Horus avenging himself upon Set, the murderer of his father, Osiris?

A: Beginning of perpetual conflict energy to limit humanity.

Q: (L) Who did Set represent?

A: War.

Q: (L) What war?

A: All.

Q: (L) You say that part of what was done to the human race was that our capacity to retain or absorb knowledge was reduced genetically, was there anything done to Frank or I either before or after birth in this regard?

A: In process of altering to make smarter. Ongoing since conception. Capacity for processing information will increase exponentially.

Q: (L) You mean we are going to get smarter than we already are?

A: Much. [Much laughter]

Q: (L) Who are the beings that have been abducting Karla Turner and her family?

A: Lizards.

Q: (L) Why have they been abducting that group of people?

A: Same reasons they have been abducting you and Frank.

Q: (L) They have been abducting Karla Turner and her family because they perceive them as a threat?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) In one abduction where her son was involved, what was the black shadowy thing that seemed like a moving “nothing” on the ground?

A: Blocked grays. Son not as in tune as Karla. Careful driving alone to lectures and meetings.

Q: (L) Should she make sure there is always someone with her in the car?

A: At night and on lonely roads. Nephew must pay attention. Also son’s friend.

Q: (L) Why did the Egyptians mummify their dead?

A: Superstition.

Q: (L) Was there really a curse on the tomb of King Tut that caused the deaths of many people?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Who put the curse there?

A: Egyptians. Anybody can create curse successfully with enough mental energy.

Q: (L) What happened to Tiffany Sessions?

A: Murdered.

Q: (L) By whom?

A: Bob August.

Q: (L) Where is the body.

A: Many sites. We are trying to contact Karla Turner’s son’s former roommate. But he is resisting. She does not realize the extreme importance. Communicate this to her now please Laura.


2.9 October 16, 1994

Frank, Laura, V___

Q: Hello.

A: Hello. Music is Good.

Q: (L) Can you give us your name?

A: Cederra.

Q: (L) I would like to know what is the origin of the Freemasons?

A: Osirians.

Q: (L) Can you tell us when the original Freemasons formed as a society?

A: 5633 B.C.

Q: (L) Is Freemasonry as it is practiced today the same?

A: 33rd degree, yes.

Q: (L) So, there is a continuing tradition for over 7 thousand years?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Is this organization with a plan to take over and rule the world?

A: Not exactly.

Q: (L) What is their focus?

A: Overseers.

Q: (L) Of what?

A: The status of quorum.

Q: (L) What is the quorum?

A: Deeper knowledge organization. Totally secret to your kind as of yet. Very important with regard to your future.

Q: (L) In what way?

A: Changes.

Q: (L) Can you get more specific? Is that changes to us personally?

A: Partly.

Q: (L) Earth changes?

A: Also.

Q: (L) What is the relationship between this quorum and the Cassiopaeans?

A: They communicate with us regularly.

Q: (L) Do they do this knowing you are Cassiopaeans or do they do it thinking…

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Has there been an ongoing relationship between the Cassiopaeans and this quorum for these thousands of years?

A: For some time as you measure it.

Q: (L) What is the origin of the Kaballah?

A: Channeled truths given to early pre-Mosaic Jews to use your terminology.

Q: (L) When the Jewish commentators began setting down the teachings, was this the first time this had been put into writing?

A: No. Not even close.

Q: (L) Is the form that it is in today very close to the original form and can it be relied upon?

A: No. Corrupted.

Q: (L) What is the origin of the books of Enoch?

A: Sanskritian society in area now referred to as India.

Q: (L) What evaluation can we give the books of Enoch as far as level of truth?

A: 50% of area was destroyed in nuclear conflagration in between

Q: (L) In between what?

A: Then and now in the expanded present.

Q: (L) What is the “expanded” present?

A: The real measure of time.

Q: (L) Who was Hermes Trismegistus?

A: Traitor to court of Pharoah Rana.

Q: (L) Who is Pharoah Rana?

A: Egyptian leader of spiritual covenant.

Q: (L) In what way was Hermes a traitor?

A: Broke covenant of spiritual unity of all peoples in area now known as Middle East.

Q: (L) Who did Hermes betray?

A: Himself; was power hungry.

Q: (L) What acts did he do?

A: Broke covenant; he inspired divisions within ranks of Egyptians, Essenes, Aryans, and Persians et cetera.

Q: (L) What was his purpose in doing this?

A: Divide and conquer as inspired by those referred to as Brotherhood in Bramley book you have read.

Q: (L) Is this the Brotherhood of the snake Hermes formed in rejection of unity?

A: Hermes did not form it; it was long since in existence.

Q: (L) Who was the originator of the Brotherhood of the Serpent as described in the Bramley book?

A: Lizard Beings.

Q: (L) Where did Moses get his knowledge?

A: Us.

Q: (L) Okay, you told us before that he saw or interacted with a holographic projection created by the Lizard Beings. Was that the experience on Mount Sinai?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Okay, well, if he got knowledge from you, did he get this prior to the interactions with the Lizard beings?

A: Yes. He was corrupted by imagery. He was deceived by the imagery a la Joseph Smith, for example.

Q: (L) Are you saying that Joseph Smith, the recipient of the Mormon texts, was deceived by the Lizards also?

A: Yes. They do that a lot.

Q: (L) Why did it take so long for us to get a “good source” through this medium?

A: Too many interactions with channel cancellers.

Q: (L) Who are the individuals are channel cancellers?

A: It would not be our way to name names.

Q: (L) Do you mean people we have had involved in our lives?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Does it have anything to do with our activities?

A: No.

Q: (L) Does it involve other entities that have tried to come through that have blocked the channel?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Are they Lizards?

A: No.

Q: (L) Are there any exercises we can use to help our bodies transform into fourth density?

A: Not necessary. It is the soul that matters.

Q: (L) Does this mean that if we focus on soul development, that at the time of transformation that our bodies will automatically be transformed for us?

A: No. It is natural process. No preparation is needed.

Q: (L) So, if you are meant to transform, you will, if you are not you won’t?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Does this mean that when my body reacts to certain foods that I should stop eating them? Is my body trying to tell me something?

A: Up to you. Nothing needs to “tell” you anything.

Q: (L) Can you clarify that?

A: Why are you searching for guidance where it is not needed?

Q: (L) In other words, if we just do each day what naturally comes to us as the best choice in each moment, we are on the right track?

A: Precisely.

Q: (V) I find the information of transforming to the fourth dimension very exciting and natural which is why I ask if this is going to be something I will experience in the future excluding death?

A: Vague.

Q: (L) If, theoretically, an individual… I am getting a very unusual feeling right at this moment, why?

A: Metabolic changes enhanced by accelerated learning.

Q: (L) Is this happening to all three of us?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Now, as I was starting to say, if, theoretically an individual was to develop in a natural way by making all the proper choices, and was to arrive at the point in time when the major transition is to be made, would that individual’s body pass through into that heightened dimension in a physical state? Remember, this is just a theoretical person…

A: Of course.

Q: (L) Now suppose this theoretical person were to pass through this transition to the other side, what state would they find their body in? Would it be exactly as it is now in terms of solidity? What would be the experience?

A: The key concept here is variability of physicality.

Q: (L) Does this mean that everybody will be different or that an individual will have greater control over the substance and constitution of the body?

A: Not exactly either. Your physicality will be variable according to need and circumstance.

Q: (L) Okay, does this mean that sometimes we will be more of a light body?

A: Close.

Q: (L) Does this mean that sometimes we will be more of a firm body as we have now?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Will our bodies age differently?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) What will be the median lifespan?

A: 400 years

Q: (L) And will those who pass through this transition as, say, 50 year olds, will they have an equal opportunity to live an additional 400 years?

A: Will regenerate in youthful appearance.

Q: (L) Now, when you say 400 years, will it be that the plane has a different orbit and that a year will be different?

A: No.

Q: (L) Will the days be different as to length of time light and dark as they are now?

A: Not the point. Planet will be 4th density as well.

Q: (L) But will the days and nights be different and will the orbit be different? Will the axial angle be changed?

A: You are thinking in terms of the 3rd level density. The rules will be so totally different that physical inspired comparisons are moot.

Q: (L) But I like the sunshine and birds singing and breezes. I just want to know if those things will be the same.

A: In some fashion.

Q: (L) Can’t you give a few clues?

A: We must let you see for yourself.

Q: (V) I had an experience with Preying Mantis beings. Who are they?

A: Minturians.

Q: (L) Where are they from?

A: Orion.

Q: (L) Are the Orions the bad guys?

A: Subjective.

Q: (L) Well, what group do they belong to?

A: Federation as do the Plieadians.

Q: (L) Did they abduct me or what is the source of this memory?

A: It is a memory of a past life held in the deep subconscious level.

Q: (L) What did they do to me?

A: Retroprogramming for learning purposes.

Q: (L) For what?

A: Lessons are to be learned by you not told by us.

Q: (L) Why did the grays abduct V___?

A: To try to encode her to destroy herself.

Q: (L) Has she overcome this programming?

A: Hopefully. There is always room for error. Remember, free will is the most important law of consciousness in creation.

Q: (V) I had a dream about being a teacher and showing small children how to use light and color. Was this precognition?

A: Probably.

Q: (L) Would this probability be within the next ten years?

A: Listen. Open.

Q: (L) What is the meaning of the number 666 in the book of Revelation?

A: Visa.

Q: (L) You mean as in credit card?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Are credit cards the work of what 666 represents?

A: Yes?

Q: (L) Should we get rid of all credit cards?

A: Up to you.

Q: (L) Would it be more to our advantage than not to disconnect ourselves from the credit system?

A: Isn’t just credit also debit.

Q: (L) Is that an affirmative.

A: How are you going to do this?

Q: (L) Well, do you have any suggestions?

A: World will soon have nothing but credit and debit have you not heard of this new visa debit cards this is the future of money as controlled by the world banking system i.e. the brotherhood i.e. Lizards i.e. antichrist.

Q: (L) If I don’t have a credit card then I don’t have to belong to this system?

A: No. You will have no choices: belong or starve.

Q: (L) What happened to free will?

A: Brotherhood aka Lizards aka antichrist has interfered with free will for 309000 years. They are getting desperate as we near the change.

Q: (V) It has always been my nature to rebel against that which I did not feel was good for me. Is rebellion against this system possible?

A: If you are willing to leave the body.

Q: (L) Leave the body as in death, croak, kick the bucket?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) If we were to move…

A: Changes will follow turmoil be patient.

Q: (L) We would like to move into the country. Will it be possible to get along without this credit/debit card leading that kind of life?

A: No.

Q: (L) Are they going to have the kind of capability of controlling everything and everybody no matter where they are?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Even if we moved to Guyana and built a log hut in the rain forest and didn’t bother anybody, we’d still get sucked into this thing?

A: Laura you will feel the effect of the Lizard beings desperate push for total control no matter where you go.

Q: (L) That is inexpressibly depressing. Do you understand?

A: Why? Change will follow.

Q: (L) Will it follow soon?

A: You are slipping a bit. Refer to Literature “Bringers of the Dawn”. Challenge will be ecstasy if viewed with proper perspective which is not, we repeat: not of third level reality, understand?

Q: (L) In the reference cited, Joan of Arc is described as feeling ecstatic while burning at the stake. Is that what you mean?

A: Sort of, but you need not burn at the stake.

Q: (L) That’s small comfort. There’s other ways to die.

A: We are not speaking of death, Laura. If you listen to those who are firmly rooted in 3rd level this is when you run the risk of slipping in your knowledge learned no matter how good the intentions i.e. L*** {Laura’s then husband, now ex-husband}.

Q: (L) What do you mean about L***?

A: Guyana.

Q: (L) What do you mean “Challenge will be ecstasy”? What sort of challenge?

A: Living through the turmoil ahead.

Q: (L) Several books I have read have advised moving to rural areas and forming groups and storing food etc…

A: Disinformation. Get rid of this once and for all. That is 3rd level garbage.

Q: (L) We feel pretty helpless at the mercy of beings who can come in and feed off of us at will. Do we have someone on our side, pulling for our team, throwing us energy or something?

A: Who do you think you have been communicating with?

Q: (L) Are you going to be able to assist us through this turmoil?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Are you going to?

A: Up to you.

Q: (L) If we call, can we get your assistance?

A: All you have to do is ask.

Q: (L) Will we go through any periods when we may be cut off from help?

A: You are never ever cut off.

Q: (L) Oh, I don’t want to suffer!

A: You need not suffer. Stop thinking 3rd level.

Q: (L) I don’t want anybody I love to suffer either. I don’t want any pain. I’ve suffered enough!

A: You are stuck at 3rd level tonight.

Q: (L) It’s not just that. There is so much disinformation you just don’t know who to believe… I mean, how do we know we can believe you? There are so many sources out there deceiving and they do it so cleverly. Look at the Bible… for 2,000 years people have been believing that…

A: They deceive when you allow it.

Q: (L) I know you are supposed to take some things on faith… but, do you see my problem here?

A: Yes, but you don’t.

Q: (L) What is my problem?

A: Mental block.

Q: (L) In the recent past you indicated that chapter 24 of Matthew and chapter 21 of Luke, were given by Jesus after his extended sleep state. Now, both of those chapters refer to the present time as being like the days of Noah. Is that a correct assessment?

A: In a sense and individual events are as yet undetermined.

Q: (L) Well, the story of Noah tells us that Noah was told to build an ark.

A: Symbolic.

Q: (L) Yet Noah built an ark. Was it true that certain individuals, whoever they were, built boats or did things to survive that terrible cataclysm?

A: No. Look at it this way. Noah built a boat because it seemed like an enjoyable enterprise and when the flood came it came in handy, see?

Q: (L) So, you are saying that if we do what we do because we enjoy it that we will be in the right place at the right time, doing the right thing when whatever happens happens, right?

A: Close.

Q: (L) Are you saying that we will be led to do what we should be doing and be where we should be?

A: You will just fall into it but if you force things you run the risk of going astray.

Q: (L) Am I correct in thinking that many people who think they are channeling are just channeling earthbound spirits?

A: Sometimes.

Q: (L) Is it possible to channel dead people who have gone into the light?

A: Sometimes.

Q: (L) Would it be possible for us to do this with other people present so that they could ask questions also?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Is S___ under the influence of other forces?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Who?

A: Who else? The Lizzies.

Q: (L) Is it acceptable within universal law to do spirit release work on people without requesting their permission?

A: You already do this without inquiry.

Q: (L) Is it alright to do it without inquiry?

A: Open.

Q: (L) Is it possible that we could be loading ourselves with Karmic debt by sticking our noses in where we may not be wanted?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Would it be better to not do this without request?

A: You must answer within yourself.

Q: (L) Can one do a spirit release on another after asking the higher self permission?

A: Too many conflicting thought patterns.

Q: (L) Can one ask the higher self for permission to do a cleansing?

A: Be cautious not to interfere with karmic learning assignments.

Q: (L) Do some people have attachments that are part of karma?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Let’s go back to the subject of the beast and the number 666. You say that following the enforcement of control by the Lizzies on the entire world that the change is going to take place, is that correct?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) How long following?

A: Open.

Q: (L) Several prophetic works have said that this period is going to last 6.3 or 7 years. Is that correct?

A: Open.

Q: (L) On the subject of the 666, I was given an insight into this several years ago as to another meaning of it, is that interpretation also correct?

A: Maybe. VI is 6 in Roman Numerals. S was 6 in ancient Egypt. A was 6 in Sanskrit. VISA, see, is 666. Interesting that to travel for extended periods one needs a “visa” also, yes?

Q: (L) The other parts of chapter 13… Verse one says, “I stood on the sandy beach I saw a beast coming up out of the sea with ten horns and seven heads. On his horns he had ten royal crowns and blasphemous titles on his heads…” What does this verse mean?

A: Many meanings. Monetary control. 10 represents universal control of whole units of value.

Q: (L) So, the ten horns represent units of value, so we are talking about money here. What are the blasphemous titles on his heads?

A: In God we trust.

Q: (L) “And the beast that I saw resembled a leopard…”

A: New World Order.

Q: (L) “And to him the dragon gave his might and power and great dominion…” Who is the dragon?

A: Read again please.

Q: (L) “And the beast I saw resembled a leopard…” What does the leopard signify?

A: Leopard is fast moving and distinctly patterned.

Q: (L) “His feet were like those of a bear…” what do the feet represent?

A: Russia.

Q: (L) Why are the feet like those of a bear?

A: Hidden power center in that geographic location.

Q: (L) What nature this power center?

A: Same as USA. Feet are not so easily seen.

Q: (L) Does this mean that Russia and the US are secretly united?

A: Under same control.

Q: (L) Are these the Lizards?

A: At the root.

Q: (L) “His mouth was like that of a lion…” What does mouth represent and why is it like a lions?

A: Noisy and boastful.

Q: (L) Who is noisy and boastful and how is this going to manifest?

A: Economic power structure. Lion is powerful and commands attention by roaring. Who has been speaking loudly about a new world order?

Q: (L) The United States?

A: Close. Elements of same.

Q: (L) “One of his heads seemed to have a deadly wound, but his death stroke was healed and the whole earth went after the beast in amazement and admiration…” What does it mean that one of his heads seemed to have a deadly wound?

A: Aliens.

Q: (L) The aliens will seem to be a deadly wound to the Beast?

A: Initially.

Q: (L) “But his death stroke was healed, and the whole earth went after the Beast with amazement and admiration…” What does this mean?

A: Initial fear gives way to worship and admiration.

Q: (L) “They fell down and gave homage to the dragon because he had bestowed on the beast all of his dominion and authority…” Who is this dragon?

A: World Body Politic.

Q: (L) And who is this Beast?

A: New World Order aka Brotherhood aka Lizzies aka antichrist.

Q: (L) “The Beast was given the power of speech uttering boastful and blasphemous words and was given freedom to exert his authority and exercise his will during 42 months…”

A: Timing is open. Power of speech is self explanatory in terms of audio and video media.

Q: (L) “And he opened his mouth to speak slanders against God blaspheming his name and his abode even vilifying those who live in heaven…” Does this mean that this group, this beast are going to…

A: Disseminate disinformation with respect to encouraging worship, loyalty and obedience to antichrist.

Q: (L) “He was further permitted to wage war on God’s holy people and to overcome them and power was given him to extend his authority over every tribe and people and every tongue and nation…” Does this means trials and tribulations of those who refuse to submit?

A: No. See previous answer.

Q: (L) “And all the inhabitants of the earth will fall down in admiration… everyone whose name has not been recorded from the foundation of the world in the Book of Life of the Lamb that was slain in sacrifice from the foundation of the world…” What are “those whose names are recorded in the Book of Life… what is the Book of Life?

A: Supercomputer.

Q: (L) The Book of Life of the Lamb… everyone whose name has not been recorded… it is saying that the people who are going to worship the Beast are names that have not been recorded… does that mean that there is a supercomputer recording the names of those who do not worship the beast?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And who has this supercomputer?

A: Beast. All names will be recorded as being either obedient or disobedient.

Q: (L) Who is this “Lamb?”

A: Beast.

Q: (L) “If anyone is able to hear let him listen: whoever leads into captivity will himself go into captivity; if anyone slays with the sword, with the sword will he be slain… herein is the call for the patience and fidelity of the saints (God’s people)…”Who are God’s people?

A: All.

Q: (L) What does it mean: “Whoever leads into captivity will go into captivity?”

A: Follow the leader.

Q: (L) If they follow the leader they will become captive and if they fight with the leader they will be killed?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) “Then I saw another Beast rising up out of the land; he had two horns like a lamb and he spoke like a dragon…” What does this signify?

A: Other faces of the same entity.

Q: (L) What does it mean that he had two horns like a lamb? A lamb doesn’t have horns. Why does it say he has horns?

A: Confusion by contradiction.

Q: (L) And what does the lamb represent?

A: Same face of the Beast.

Q: (L) What does it mean he “spoke like a dragon”??

A: Same.

Q: (L) “He exerts all the power and right of control as the former beast in his presence and causes the earth and those who dwell upon it to exalt and deify the beast whose deadly wound was healed and worship him…” Well, it seems to say that there is a second beast that is different from the first beast but you are saying that it is just another face of the beast…

A: Yes. Look at it this way, aliens one face; God another; government another et cetera.

Q: (L) Did you mean to say that God was another face of the beast?

A: As represented by religion.

Q: (L) “He performs great signs, startling miracles, even making fire fall from the sky to the earth in men’s sight..” What does that mean?

A: Aliens perform “miracles”.

Q: (L) And what is the “image” of the Beast?

A: Aliens.

Q: (L) What does it mean to have been wounded by the sword and still live?

A: Perceived as scary then Godlike.

Q: (L) “And he was permitted to impart the breath of life into the Beast’s image so that the statue of the beast could actually talk and to cause all to be put to death that would not bow down and worship the image of the beast.” What does this mean?

A: Total control once deception is complete.

Q: (L) “Compels all alike, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to be marked with an inscription on their right hand or on their foreheads….” What is this inscription?

A: Visa ID number.

Q: (L) Is this going to be actually physically put on our bodies?

A: Encoded.

Q: (L) How? Is that what the aliens do when they abduct people?

A: No.

Q: (L) How is it going to be done?

A: Stamped.

Q: (L) By what technical means?

A: Electronic encoding. A series of numbers.

Q: (L) Are they going to put these on our skins or imbed them in the skin on our heads or hand…?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Does that mean that you will have to place your hand on an electronic scanner in order to conduct any type of monetary transaction?

A: Precisely.

Q: (L) Okay, it says: “Here is room for discernment, a call for the wisdom of interpretation, let him who has intelligence, penetration, insight enough calculate the number of the Beast, for it is a human number, the number of a certain man, his number is 666. What does this mean?

A: Visa as explained previously. Everyone will get their own number and it will be a Visa number, the number of the Beast.

Q: (L) “Then I looked and Lo! the lamb stood on Mount Zion and with him 144,000 men who had his name and his father’s name inscribed on their foreheads…” What does that mean?

A: ID. The Lamb is the Leadership council of the world bank. Many will think they are taking the “mark” of God when actually being marked by the Beast.

Q: (L) “And I heard a voice from Heaven like the sound of great waters and like the rumbling of might thunder and the voice I heard seemed like the music of harpists accompanying themselves on their harps…” What is this voice from heaven and the sound like great waters and mighty thunder?

A: The return of Christ.

Q: (L) “And they sing a new song… No one could learn to sing that song except the 144,000 who had been ransomed from the earth… you said the 144,000 are the leaders of the world bank and here it says they have been ransomed from the earth at the coming of Christ… it says the 144,000 have not defiled themselves by relations with women for they are pure as virgins. These are they who follow the Lamb wherever he goes…they have been ransomed…”

A: Symbolism added later and this is not entirely accurate point. The symbols have been mixed. Tends to encourage elitism and divisiveness.

Q: (L) Are the 144,000 good guys or bad guys as we would term them?

A: Both. But they are ones who have supreme knowledge.

Q: (L) Are these human beings?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) There will be 144,000 people on the earth who have supreme knowledge?

A: Approximately.

Q: (L) Now, this 144,000, are we among that number? Just curious.

A: Maybe.

Q: (L) “No lie was found to be upon their lips for they are blameless, spotless, untainted without blemish. And I saw another angel flying in midair with an eternal gospel to tell to the inhabitants of the earth, every race and tribe and people, and he cried with a mighty voice: Revere God and give him glory, for the hour of his judgment has arrived, fall down before him, pay him homage and adoration and worship him who created heaven and earth and the sea and the springs of water…” What does this tell us?

A: Added later by questionable source.

Q: (L) “Then a second angel followed declaring: Fallen, fallen is Babylon the Great, she who made all nations drink of the wine of her passionate unchastity…” Who is Babylon and what does it mean she has fallen?

A: Same as previous answer.

Q: (L) “Another angel followed, a third, saying with a mighty voice saying whoever pays homage to the beast and permits his stamp to be put on his forehead or on his hand he too shall have to drink of the wine of God’s indignation and wrath poured undiluted into the cup of his anger, and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the lamb…”

A: Disinformation. Intended to create fear and resistance so that the aliens can feed off of these emotions.

Q: (L) “Again I looked and lo! I saw a white cloud and sitting on the cloud one resembling a son of man with a crown of gold on his head and a sharp scythe in his hand…” Is that further additions?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) “Another angel came out of the temple saying with a mighty voice to the one sitting on the cloud: put in your scythe and reap for the hour has arrived to gather the harvest for the earth’s crop is fully ripened…”

A: More fear based disinformation.

Q: (L) Now, I have compared certain passages of Revelations to the work of Immanuel Velikovsky, were those sections accurate in what they describe?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And those are events that will transpire after the Lizzies have done their thing, after the Visa is in place, and before or after Christ returns?

A: Before.

Q: (L) So the cluster of comets is going to come before the return of Christ??

A: Yes. But return is just one event not the whole thing.

Q: (L) Is there going to be massive disruption on the planet and maybe a lot of people transitioning out of the body simultaneously because of the interaction of this cluster of comets and the earth.

A: Close.

Q: (L) And, shortly following this event, Christ will return?

A: As part of the whole.

Q: (L) That is going to be part of the cluster of comets activity?

A: After.

Q: (L) What is Christ going to do after he returns?

A: Teach.

Q: (L) How many people are going to be on the planet to receive this teaching?

A: Open.

Q: (L) May we assume there will be six billion?

A: Assume as you please.

Q: (L) You keep saying that the return of Christ is a part of the whole as though there is some important thing that I am missing the question to discover. Consider that question asked… tell me what it is I am missing, please.

A: Obvious if you have been paying attention.

Q: (L) And that is…?

A: The transition to 4th density.

Q: (L) Is the transition to 4th density going to happen before the comets or after?

A: After.

Q: (L) Is the interaction of the comets and the planet earth going to….

A: Precede the transition.

Q: (L) Is it going to generate this change in some way?

A: No.

Q: (L) It’s not going to have anything to do with electromagnetic interactions which would heighten the atomic vibrations of the planet?

A: No.

Q: (L) So, the comets are going to make a mess of things and then the transition is going to come as Christ comes?

A: Before.

Q: (L) The transition will happen and we will all be standing around glazed in the eyes or whatever, wondering what to do with ourselves, because we are finding ourselves in a new estate we have not been in before, and then Christ comes?

A: More or less.

Q: (L) Now, what is going to happen after Christ comes back and everything is sort of straightening out and he is teaching… is everybody on the planet going to be gathered together in one place to receive these teachings?

A: No.

Q: (L) Is he going to travel around and teach?

A: Technology.

Q: (L) He will teach via the media?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And we are still going to have access to our media, television and radio and so forth?

A: Some.

Q: (L) Are some people at that point in time or just prior to this transition, going to leave in large groups with the Lizzies?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Are there going to be large groups of people moving into domed cities on the planet living in “cahoots” with the Lizzies?

A: Close.

Q: (L) In other words there may be areas of Lizzie control on the planet and areas under the control of Christ?

A: Christ does not control.

Q: (L) Will the Lizzie people come out of their cities from time to time and “molest” the followers of Christ from time to time?

A: Maybe.

Q: (L) So, in other words, we will have a greatly reduced population, people here and people there, none of whom are totally united on the planet?

A: Goodnight.


2.10 October 18, 1994

Frank and Laura

Q: (L) Hello.

A: Hello.

Q: (L) Can you give us your name and opening statement?

A: Dedeba. Hello.

Q: (L) Are you a discarnate?

A: Cassiopaean.

Q: (L) Why do you not seem to have as much energy as the others?

A: Slow at first. Builds.

Q: (L) Has someone of you been looking over my shoulder during the day and reading the questions I have been preparing?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Are you prepared to answer my questions fully and completely tonight?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Are you a male or female?

A: Both.

Q: (L) Are all Cassiopaeans both male and female?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Do you reproduce in anyway?

A: We are Light.

Q: (L) Have the Cassiopaeans ever been in physical bodies?

A: Ever is subjective.

Q: (L) Okay, at any point in space time have you occupied physical bodies?

A: Have, will and do.

Q: (L) Are you talking about the simultaneous past present and future?

A: Omnipresent.

Q: (L) Are you part of the collective subconscious, unconscious, or consciousness?

A: Too vague.

Q: (L) Are you part of our higher consciousness?

A: So is everything else.

Q: (L) Are you prepared for my questions and to give practical answers because you know I am a practical person.

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Would anyone else be able to answer the sorts of questions we ask?

A: Anyone covers wide spectrum.

Q: (L) You understand our frustration with a lot of channelled sources?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Our frustration lies in the fact that when a question is answered it is rarely, if ever, answered succinctly, directly, or anywhere near the point.

A: So your perspective, yes, to not do…

Q: (L) Is there any such thing as racial superiority regarding the races on the planet earth?

A: Only karmically determined by physical confinement assignment.

Q: (L) It can be karmically determined to be born into one race or another?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Are the Aryan/Celts who came to this planet from the other one that was destroyed, were they, when they came, in any way superior to the humans already here?

A: Somewhat.

Q: (L) What was the nature of this superiority?

A: Durability.

Q: (L) Physical or mental?

A: Physical.

Q: (L) Well, blond haired, blue-eyed people seem to be somewhat more delicate or thin-skinned compared to, say, the blacks.

A: In this environment on surface.

Q: (L) Which race on earth is the oldest?

A: All are same.

Q: (L) Even the Aryan/Celts from the other planet?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Was there ever a time in history when Kantek, Martek, and Earth were all three occupied by sentient races which communicated with one another?

A: No.

Q: (L) Was there ever a time in history when all three planets were occupied simultaneously?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Why are there different races?

A: Many reasons. Experimental creations. Partly.

Q: (L) Where did the Orientals come from?

A: Same as all others. Result of experimentation.

Q: (L) Did they originate on this planet? Are they native to this planet?

A: Both. Orientals reserved for souls most advanced; Aryans most aggressive; Negroes most naturally attuned to earth vibrational frequency. So are “native Americans”.

Q: (L) Can you determine my dominant genetic type?

A: Caucasian.

Q: (L) Is Caucasian different from Aryan or Celtic?

A: Aryan subgroup Caucasian.

Q: (L) In terms of being Caucasian, do I have any negro blood in me?

A: Faint trace.

Q: (L) Who were the blue skinned people written about in the Vedas?

A: Aryans.

Q: (L) Were the Aryans originally blue skinned?

A: No.

Q: (L) Why did the Vedas talk about blue-skinned people and why are there blue skinned people in remote areas of the Appalachians?

A: Are whites real “white”?

Q: (L) Were there ever any really blue people?

A: No. They were perceived as blue due to thinness of skin and contrast with native population.

Q: (L) What is the origin of the swastika.

A: Oriental. Signified supremity.

Q: (L) Were Adam and Eve attempting to obtain knowledge to free themselves from bondage when they ate of the fruit of the tree of knowledge?

A: Adam and Eve are symbolic.

Q: (L) But were they in bondage and trying to help free themselves with the help of a benevolent “serpent”?

A: Not benevolent.

Q: (L) Were they already in bondage to someone else when the Lizzies came?

A: No. They were free. The symbolic story of Adam and Eve was a story of enticement to false knowledge. The tree of knowledge of good and evil was focused, imprisoned knowledge.

Q: (L) Is the solar system sort of a giant atom?

A: No. But similar; remember your atomic knowledge is still mostly theoretical.

Q: (L) Could the orbits of the planets be described as energy ‘shells’ such as the shells occupied by the various electrons around an atom?

A: Close.

Q: (L) Does the solar system, at different points in time absorb or emit energy and do planets move from one shell to another? And, does the nature of the solar system change what it “is” by adding or taking away bodies?

A: First, if a solar system adds or subtracts bodies then of course it changes. Next, the fundamental changes occur as a result of interaction with outside forces.

Q: (L) What outside forces?

A: Plane convergence.

Q: (L) What is plane convergence?

A: What will happen to earth.

Q: (L) Is this going to happen soon?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Is this plane convergence a phenomenon that occurs frequently in the universe, galaxy or solar system?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) What is it caused by or manifested by?

A: Passing through realm border.

Q: (L) What is a realm border?

A: Too complex.

Q: (L) What is the source of the legend of the phoenix?

A: Ancient Indian destruction and rebuilding.

Q: (L) Who created the Lizzies?

A: Ormethion.

Q: (L) And who is this individual?

A: Thought center.

Q: (L) Located where?

A: Everywhere.

Q: (L) Can you give us a little more of a clue?

A: Another sector of reality.

Q: (L) Is this a sentient, self-aware being that created the Lizzies?

A: Yes and no.

Q: (L) Is this individual one of what you called the Transient Passengers?

A: No.

Q: (L) Is it similar?

A: No.

Q: (L) And who created this Ormethion?

A: Not being; thought center.

Q: (L) Thought center of what?

A: Too complex.

Q: (L) Who was it who appeared to Ezekiel?

A: Lizard beings.

Q: (L) What do you intend for us to do with all this information?

A: Put in book.

Q: (L) Any suggestion for title?

A: Up to you.

Q: (L) Should we let it out gradually? Some of the information is pretty heavy.

A: All at once.

Q: (L) Is there only one ultimate creator of the universe

A: All is one. And one is all.

Q: (L) From the one what was the first division?

A: Mass division and disbursement.

Q: (L) Was this simultaneous?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Was this what we refer to as the “Big Bang?”

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Is there any reference to this event in terms of time?

A: Always.

Q: (L) Can we say that all that exists in the material universe is, say, “x” number of years old?

A: No. It is the eternal now. Not only did happen, is happening and going to happen. The expanded presence.

Q: (L) What is the true source of the brotherhood of the snake in terms of human members?

A: Adam and Eve.

Q: (L) Were Adam and Eve real people?

A: No.

Q: (L) A group of people?

A: Thought pattern change not a giving into temptation.

Q: (L) What or who were these people? What country did they live in?

A: All people. Realm border crossing.

Q: (L) You mean this occurred at a time when realms crashed or crossed each other?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Did this involve a war of some sort between one group of beings and another group?

A: Realm crossing has many manifestations.

Q: (L) So, in other words, if it hadn’t been the Lizzies it would have been someone else?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Was this just sort of destined to happen?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Is it just part of a great cosmic drama?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Is the ultimate creator self-conscious and self-aware?

A: Yes and no.

Q: (L) These events that occur in our universe just sort of happen?

A: Close.

Q: (L) Are there other universes besides ours?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Are these other universes also spun off from “our” ultimate creator?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Are these universes countable?

A: Counting is artificially limiting concept.

Q: (L) Are the numbers of universes limitless?

A: In a sense.

Q: (L) Do universes ever crash into each other?

A: Too complex.


2.11 October 19, 1994

Frank and Laura

Q: (L) Hello.

A: Hello.

Q: (L) Do we have anybody with us tonight?

A: We are always with you.

Q: (L) Who are we talking with tonight?

A: Nonigera.

Q: (L) Is it true that when we ask an individual under hypnosis about an alien abduction scenario to try to tune in to aliens… can we do that?

A: Yes. The individual is aware on every level and the information you seek was known at the time. The questions you ask are merely an accessing of information that is already in awareness at some level. Budd Hopkins and David Jacobs are too regimented.

Q: (L) Why does Mike F___ think that people are trying to come between him and S____? {Mike F was a self-proclaimed UFO/abduction expert who “took over” the case of “Candy” as written about in The Wave.}

A: Paranoia.

Q: (L) Is M___ engaged in physical relationship with S___?

A: Trying.

Q: (L) Why did S___ just suddenly turn cold to everything and everybody?

A: Embarrassment.

Q: (L) About what?

A: Cream.

Q: (L) Because she backed out on the cream deal? {“Candy” had the idea to make and sell a face cream and had gotten a number of people involved and investing and it flopped.}

A: Close.

Q: (L) Well, embarrassed in what way?

A: Realized how stupid she looked and two faced also. Usually when someone stops contact with you it is because of embarrassment.

Q: (L) Why did she stop contacting V__?

A: V____ is connected to you.

Q: (L) Is S____ still having serious problems at this time?

A: S____ is having problems she perceives as serious.

Q: (L) But they are not, is that correct?

A: Subjective.

Q: (L) How does J___ W___ really feel about me and Frank? {JW is cousin written about in “Amazing Grace”.}

A: Questions your intent.

Q: (L) In what respect? Does he think I am up to something?

A: Thinks you are volatile.

Q: (L) Am I?

A: Subjective.

Q: (L) How does he feel about Frank?

A: Resents him.

Q: (L) Why.

A: Intelligence.

Q: (L) What are J___’s intentions toward me.

A: Make you a follower.

Q: (L) Is he jealous.

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Is it because Frank has a strong mind?

A: Yes. He only wants followers.

Q: (L) I am asking you to help me out here.

A: Can’t help with karmic level 1 processes.

Q: (L) What is a karmic level 1 process?

A: Major predestined lesson or mission.

Q: (L) Are Frank and I going through all of these things right now to create some change in our state of being or our living… {Basically, we were discovering that everyone we met who were involved in UFO/alien research were a bunch of loopers; two-faced, back-stabbing, egocentric nutcases!}

A: To open memories, psychic record.

Q: (L) Have we been through these experiences in other lifetimes?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) When we do this channeling does it magnetize our bodies to bring benefits into our lives?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Is this work a destined mission?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) If one is in process of fulfilling one’s destiny in terms of performing a mission, is not the universe capable of meeting one’s needs?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Is this, in fact, going to happen for both of us as we focus on this work?

A: If you keep pushing forth.

Q: (L) So all the things we are doing now…

A: And coordinate each others input equally.

Q: (L) Did S___ make any money selling her jewelry?

A: No.

Q: (L) What does S___ think about Frank?

A: Resents his superior intelligence.

Q: (L) Me?

A: Resents same. Thinks you’re weird.

Q: (L) What does A___ B___ really think about me? {This was a guy in St. Pete who claimed to be the highest level Golden Dawn initiate in the State of Florida. My impression of him was that he was not the brightest crayon in the box.}

A: Resents your power.

Q: (L) C___ H___?

A: Fears your power. She is misguided.

Q: Okay, thank you for the help.

A: Good Night.


2.12 October 20, 1994

Frank, Laura, V___

Q: Hello.

A: Hello.

Q: Who do we have with us tonight?

A: Elminoia

Q: And where are you from?

A: Cassiopaea.

Q: Last year both V___ and I went to visit a psychic surgeon named C___. Is this individual legitimate?

A: Not in the way presented.

Q: Does she actually insert her hand into your body and do what she claims to do?

A: No.

Q: Is it all faked?

A: Delusional.

Q: Where does the bloody water come from?

A: Trickery.

Q: Does Reverend Rita know that she is a fraud? {Rev. Rita was the head honcho of the local spiritualist/metaphysical church as written about in “Amazing Grace” and “The Wave”.}

A: No. She believes her.

Q: Is there any psychic activity that occurs when this woman works on one?

A: Yes.

Q: What is the nature of it?

A: Transference of energy.

Q: What is the source or root of this energy?

A: Intense concentration of psychic thought power.

Q: She is not influenced by any negatives such as the Lizzies or anything like that?

A: Some, for confusion purposes.

Q: So C___ works with the Lizzie energy?

A: Somewhat.

Q: What is the force or background of R___, G___, J___, et al.

A: Bogus but some sincere healing does occur as a result of faith.

Q: In the incident that occurred in the spring at A__ B___’s house when “Rev. B” came up and sort of zapped me, who or what was behind that activity and what did he do? {Written about in “Amazing Grace” and “The Wave”.}

A: Dark energies of terrestrial nature were temporarily concentrated upon you.

Q: What was the intent.

A: Harm out of jealousy.

Q: Did they intend to kill me?

A: Hurt.

Q: Who put this Reverend B up to this activity?

A: Rita.

Q: Anybody else involved with her in that decision?

A: S____.

Q: Why?

A: Fear reaction to overtaking of influence she wanted.

Q: Is A__ B____ once again involved with the characters at that metaphysical church?

A: Yes.

Q: What are they up to?

A: Strange thinking patterns.

Q: Why did B___ call V___ the other day?

A: Try to steer her away from you and Frank.

Q: Why does B___ think she has to steer V___ away from me and Frank?

A: You are powerful influence and so is Frank.

Q: What do these people think we are that makes them behave so cruelly and fearfully toward us?

A: Don’t agree with your knowledge.

Q: Well, what’s the story here? Am I completely in left field? Or, is Laura right and them wrong?

A: Close. You are far closer to the supreme truth than they.

Q: Is J___ a good psychic?

A: Like Aunt Clara on Bewitched.

Q: How do aliens control people?

A: Which ones?

Q: How many choices do I have?

A: Open.

Q: Well, how do the grays and Lizzies do it?

A: Mind and body interference with electrical response patterns.

Q: Can they do this remotely?

A: Less effectively.

Q: So they need to work directly on you or be in contact with you by some means that is somewhat material?

A: Yes.

Q: Are there other aliens on the planet abducting people?

A: Much less often.

Q: What was the flying boomerang the kids and I saw last year?

A: Lizard projection multiple reality station.

Q: Did they fly over my house deliberately for me to see them?

A: Yes.

Q: What was the purpose of them showing themselves to me?

A: Make you aware of existence.

Q: Why did they want to make me aware of their existence?

A: That is an extremely complicated situation.

Q: Did that little flap that occurred in Pasco county in spring of 1993 happen as a result of Frank’s and my activities?

A: Yes.

Q: Was there a craft over my house the night I hypnotized P__ Z___?

A: Tuned into visual stimuli from implants. And Z___ implants alerted scout craft of Grays and Lizzies.

Q: Is P__ Z___ under the control of the Lizzies?

A: Yes.

Q: How many people are not under the control of the Lizzies nowadays?!

A: Open.

Q: We would like to know what is the origin of the Gypsies.

A: Genes spliced. Slaves of dark forces.

Q: Who are these dark forces?

A: Same.

Q: As what?

A: Brotherhood.

Q: Does this brotherhood consist of Lizzies and various humans?

A: Yes.

Q: If the Gypsies were gene spliced, who were they gene spliced with?

A: Alien race, humanoid, and Atlantean drone workers.

Q: What were Atlantean drone workers?

A: Slave people controlled by crystal.

Q: Why do the Gypsies remain so cohesive? Is that genetically programed?

A: Yes. And mind control.

Q: There are legends of half human creatures, minotaurs, centaurs, etc. Were any of these creatures real?

A: Experiments known as beasts in Atlantis. V___ is part Gypsy. Hiding this.

Q: Does she know it?

A: Some.

Q: Who built the city of Baalbek?

A: Antereans and early Sumerians. We meant Atlanteans. {Who are the Antereans?}

Q: What is the reason for the enormous proportions of this building?

A: Giants.

Q: Who were the giants?

A: Genetic effort to recreate Nephalim.

Q: Did the Atlanteans and Sumerians succeed in recreating the Nephilim?

A: No.

Q: Why did they build this enormous city?

A: Retarded subjects.

Q: The results of their efforts were retarded?

A: Yes.

Q: Why did they build the enormous city?

A: In anticipation of success.

Q: Why would someone come along and build a city of the proportions of Baalbek in anticipation of a genetic project that could take many years to accomplish.

A: Project took only three years. Speeded up growth cycle using nuclear hormonal replication procedure. Why failed.

Q: That’s why it failed, because of the speeded up growth?

A: Did not take properly.

Q: What technical means did they use to cut the stones and transport them?

A: Sound wave focusing.

Q: What happened to interrupt or halt the building of this city?

A: Venus first appearance and pass.

Q: What year was this project brought to a halt?

A: 3218 B.C.

Q: Who built the city of Mohenjo-Daro?

A: Lizards directly. Coatzlmundi legend ties in to this directly look at illustrations on stones now.

Q: Who is Coatzlmundi?

A: Other deity of the Lizards worshipped by the Atlanteans and their descendants because of the direct contact with humans for 1000 years.

Q: Now, you said Mohenjo Daro was built by the Lizzies directly. Did they occupy this city themselves?

A: No.

Q: When was this city last inhabited continually?

A: 3065 years ago.

Q: When was it built?

A: 6092 years ago.

Q: I would like to go back to the subject of the Nephilim. Now you said the Nephilim were a group of humanoid types brought here to earth to be enforcers, is that correct?

A: Yes.

Q: When were they brought here?

A: 9046 B.C. one reference.

Q: They were giants, is that correct?

A: Yes.

Q: They were presented to the people as the representatives, or “Sons” of God, is that correct?

A: Yes.

Q: You say these dudes were 11 to 14 feet tall…

A: Yes.

Q: You and the ancient literature say that these sons of god intermarried with human women, is that correct?

A: Yes.

Q: Did they do that the same way it is done today, that is, sexual interaction?

A: No.

Q: How was it done?

A: Forced insemination.

Q: So, it was artificial insemination?

A: Close.

Q: Were these beings like us, including their sexual apparati?

A: Close.

Q: Any significant differences?

A: Three gonads.

Q: Was their sexual apparatus otherwise similar?

A: Yes.

Q: Did they mate with human females in a normal way at any time?

A: No.

Q: Why not?

A: Size difference.

Q: Just for the sake of curiosity, just how different in terms of size?

A: 23 inches long.

Q: Were they circumcised?

A: No.

Q: Just what was the origin of the practice of circumcision?

A: Same as all Judaic traditions hygiene.

Q: Where do the Tibetans come from?

A: Asia.

Q: Were they special in any way? Hybrids or anything?

A: No. All are hybrids. At some juncture.

Q: What is the origin of the Nubians?

A: Caucus range.

Q: How come they are so terribly black?

A: Genetic mixing.

Q: With what? Anything particularly special about them?

A: East Indian aborigines.

Q: Who was the Queen of Sheba?

A: Fictional.

Q: Did a great queen come to visit King Solomon?

A: Alien influence.

Q: Who was Arjuna?

A: Same as Sheba.

Q: Who is Shiva?

A: Same.

Q: Rama?

A: Indian. High priest influenced by Confederation.

Q: Is Ormethion who the Lizzies worship?

A: Close.

Q: Who do they worship? What do they call their god?

A: Physical universe.

Q: The physical universe is their god?

A: Yes.

Q: What happened to K___ W___? [Little girl missing in another state.]

A: Killed.

Q: By whom?

A: Demented human named Carl.

Q: What happened to D___ W___ and C___ S___? {Two local men who had disappeared without a trace several years previously.}

A: Abducted by aliens for experimentation.

Q: Were they killed through these experiments?

A: Yes.

Q: How were the walls of Jericho brought down?

A: Earthquake.

Q: What happened to the army of Sennacherib?

A: Destroyed by cosmic rays energy concentration by Lizards.

Q: Is there such a thing as sound that can kill?

A: Yes. Anything properly concentrated can kill.

Q: Are there words that can kill by their simple pronunciation?

A: No.

Q: Are there words of power that invoke energies by their pronunciation?

A: Maybe.

Q: Could you tell us any of them?

A: No. You might use unwisely.

Q: Sitchin says that the pyramid was built as a permanent marking system to navigate the planets of our solar system. Could you give comments on this please?

A: It was not built for that.

Q: Who was Jehovah?

A: Lizard projection.

Q: What is the Melchizedek priesthood?

A: False rite.

Q: Is there an order of priests to which the original Melchizedek belonged that was true?

A: Yes.

Q: I had an experience under hypnosis several years ago while in the mountains of North Carolina. What was that? {Written about in “Amazing Grace” and “The Wave”.}

A: Soul memory awakening.

Q: What was the significance of the necklace?

A: Symbolic of ability to communicate supreme knowledge.

Q: Another experience on the boat one night, I am remembering now. What was that event? {The “Boatride to Damascus” written about in “Amazing Grace”.}

A: Similar.

Q: What was the source of these two events?

A: Us.

Q: Alright, another event during meditation followed by period of intense crying. What was this event?

A: Soul cleansing.

Q: The source?

A: Us ridding you of dark influences.

Q: When did the Aryans invade India?

A: 8243 years ago.

Q: Who was there before that?

A: Asian tribes and number 3 prototype.

Q: What is a number 3 prototype?

A: Known as Neanderthal man.

Q: And what are we?

A: Number 4 types c and d. Translation into English comprehension.

Q: Were the Aryan/Celts the original giants?

A: No.

Q: What white men were seen in South America and talked to the tribes there and promised to return one day and were worshipped as Gods.

A: Egyptians and Atlantean descendants.

Q: What did the Atlanteans do to bring this karma on us such that the grays and Lizzies…

A: Worshipped and served self to extreme.

Q: Does the act of channelling actually change our genetics or DNA or some element around our being in some way that we are not even conscious of?

A: Steadily yes.

Q: Will this channelling have effects on us that will cause changes our lives and lifestyle?

A: Yes.

Q: Will there be benefits brought into our lives because of dedication to this work?

A: Yes.

Q: If we dedicate ourselves does this mean that we will be protected or cared for in any way?

A: Close.

Q: We got some information from the first session when we were working with S____ which said some awful things about bits of childrens’ organs were removed etc, what was the source of that information? Did that come from you guys?

A: Yes. Sorry for shock but necessary for broadening channel.

Q: You say that there is an effort on the part of the Orions or Lizards… Are the Orions and Lizards synonymous?

A: Close.

Q: Okay. You say that there is an effort on the part of these beings to create a new race. Why do they want or need a new race?

A: Theirs no longer satisfies them.

Q: When we asked you in the session on July 30th where you were from you said Corsoca, is that correct?

A: Yes.

Q: Is that a planet?

A: No.

Q: What is Corsoca?

A: Point of energy confluence between realms that reflects locator when we were 3rd level.

Q: When we do this channelling, Frank and I together, is it different than if Frank were to do it alone?

A: Yes.

Q: Okay, when we are doing it together with the board, where are you in space time relative to us as we sit here?

A: Above at 6000 miles at border between 3 realms.

Q: Once again, you said that if we called on you for help, you would come if we ask. Is there any special way to call and how can we know if you answer?

A: Will feel it.


2.13 October 22, 1994

Direct channeling with Frank under hypnosis. Present: Laura, Terry, Jan

This was an experimental session undertaken because Frank kept insisting on trying it this way. The information seems to be very good, and I’ve noted elsewhere that Frank was an extremely talented psychic who could look at your palm, tune into you in some way, and pull out all kinds of astonishingly accurate things – not because they came to him from some outside source, but because he extracted it in some way from the individual he was “channeling for.” This session seems to be just an enhanced version of that type of thing – that I was there with the questions and he was somehow extracting this information THROUGH me. So, as I said, the info seems to be good - though most of it is unverifiable - which I understood as a tactic of negative entities: give you good info so you get hooked, and then slowly twist and transform the messages. We could already see this process in this session. One other thing I can say is that you had to be there to understand why nobody else present liked it. It was a certain “taste” of the tone and attitude of Frank that was extremely unpleasant. We all felt somewhat invaded. Also, notice the verbosity. We all had the feeling that if this was continued, the end result would be word-salad.

Q: (L) Who is with us?

A: Enduanda and Alorra

{That two “energy sources” are named is interesting.}

Q: (L) What is the significance of the earthquake that occurred a few months ago that was called the superdeep earthquake that was 400 miles deep?

A: A magma shift caused by gradual heating from within. Just part of a periodic cycle.

Q: (L) Any other comments on that?

A: No.

Q: (L) We would like to have comments on the thumping noises reportedly heard off the coast of California?

A: Expansion of a base.

Q: (L) What kind of base?

A: It’s a transfer center for those beings known as the Grays.

Q: (L) And what was the thumping?

A: They are expanding it.

Q: (L) Is it construction work?

A: Yes except that they are using sound waves to disintegrate rock in the crust under the ocean. This disintegration causes the atomic structure of the particles being disintegrated to completely disappear which has something to do with why those sounds are heard in that particular rhythm.

Q: (L) Any other comments?

A: There is some awareness on the part of the U.S. government as to what is going on there. They are suspicious.

Q: (L) What was the source of knowledge accessed by Edgar Cayce?

A: Well, he had a unique biochemical composition which allowed for easy opening and closing of his consciousness from outside sources without interference with his electromagnetic flow stream. It is a very unique and unusual situation. The first manifestation of this was when he asked for help. If he had not asked for help from a higher source, possibly his awareness of his abilities would never have come forth.

Q: (L) What is the source of Lama Singh’s knowledge?

A: Lama Singh has studied long and hard in metaphysical fields through meditation and other areas and therefore a doorway or channel can be opened voluntarily. This requires the cooperation of the host and is not as easily opened or closed as it was in the case of Cayce.

Q: (L) In terms of access levels, which one of the two had access to the greatest field of subjects or information?

A: Actually Cayce was accessing a somewhat different source, but the overall accuracy level and the overall intensity level were greater with Cayce.

Q: (L) In terms of relationships relative to the Cassiopaean level of knowledge, how would Cayce and Lama Singh relate?

A: The access level is much greater and broader.

Q: (L) When and how did planet earth acquire its moon?

A: Was caused by the regular passage of a large comet cluster which caused a gravitational disruption allowing a large chunk of the original earth’s surface, which was somewhat less solid at that point in space/time, to break away from the main body and assume a locked in orbit around the main body.

Q: (L) When did this happen?

A: This occurred approximately 3 billion years ago.

Q: (L) Can a spiritual being become entrapped in physical matter?

A: It’s possible but very unlikely.

Q: (L) Are human beings entrapped in physical matter?

A: By choice.

Q: (L) Why did they make this choice?

A: To experience physical sensations. It was a group mind decision.

Q: (L) Who was in charge of the group?

A: The group.

Q: (L) Does the interaction between the spirit/soul and the body physical produce some by-product that is desirable to other beings?

A: Well, all things have desirable consequences as well as undesirable consequences, but it must also be mentioned here that everything that exists in all realms of the universe can experience existence in one of only two ways. That would be defined as a long wave cycle and a short wave cycle. Going back to your previous question about why humans are “entrapped” in physical existence, which, of course, is voluntary and chosen, this was due to the desire to change from the long wave cycle experience of completely what you would call ethereal or spiritual existence, to the short wave cycle of what you call physical existence. The difference is that a long wave cycle involves only very gradual change in evolution in a cyclical manner. Whereas a short wave cycle involves a duality. And this is the case with souls in physical bodies as is experienced on this earth plane because the soul experiences an ethereal state for half the cycle and a physical state for the other half of the cycle. While these halves are not measured in time the way you measure time, the totality of experience is equal in each half. The necessity to form the short wave cycle was brought about through nature through the natural bounds of the universe when the group mind of souls chose to experience physicality as opposed to a completely ethereal existence.

Q: (L) Does this interaction produce a by-product?

A: It produces equal by-products of a positive and negative nature.

Q: (L) And what are these by-products?

A: Which one first?

Q: (L) Positive.

A: Positive by-product is an increase in relative energy which speeds up the learning process of the soul and all of it’s one dimensional and two dimensional interactive partners. In other words, flora and fauna, minerals, etc. All experience growth and movement towards reunion at a faster rate on the cycle through this short wave cycle physical/ethereal transfer. Of a negative nature, it also produces many negative experiences for these very same entities which otherwise would not exist because being of a first level and second level nature, flora and fauna would ordinarily experience a long term or long wave cycle on the physical plane as opposed to a short wave cycle physical and ethereal, as they do now because of their interaction with the human species in its short wave ethereal/physical cycle.

Q: (L) The comment was made at one point that certain alien beings abduct humans and subject them to cruel and torturous deaths in order to create “maximum energy transfer.” In this respect, what is this maximum energy transfer that occurs during a long, slow, torturous dying process?

A: Extreme fear and anxiety builds up fear/anxiety energy which is of a negative nature which fuels the beings that you speak of in that they draw from that and produce a sort of a fueling energy which keeps them going as one of their forms of nourishment based on their metabolic structure.

Q: (L) What is their metabolic structure?

A: That is very complex and very difficult to describe because it is on the fourth level of density which you do not understand. But, part of their reason for existence on the fourth level is their ability to nourish themselves both through ethereal methods and through physical methods. Therefore, this energy transfer would represent the ethereal method of nourishment and other means are achieved physically.

Q: (L) What other means?

A: Well, the drinking of blood and blood by-products would be an example of that.

Q: (L) Do they do that?

A: Yes, but the manner of intake is different than what you may be thinking. It is done through pores.

Q: (L) In what manner?

A: Bathing and then absorbing the necessary products and then disposing of the remaining product.

Q: (L) Did Arthur Clarke channel “Childhood’s End”?

A: No. Used imagination.

Q: (L) Is the amnesia related to UFO abductions deliberately induced or is it a product of the mind’s inability to deal with the event?

A: It is an equal commingling of both.

Q: (L) The part that is deliberately induced, how is that accomplished?

A: By using a cosmic energy flow to influence memory function through a combination of spiritual and chemical interaction.

Q: (L) Can you be more specific?

A: Being more specific would be in another way less specific, but a good way to put it is altering the flow of electromagnetic energy in the brain. Electromagnetic energy, electromagnetism, is the life force that exists within all that evolves through long wave or short wave cycles.

Q: (L) Going back to the beings that absorb nutrients through their pores, what kind of beings are they?

A: Both those that you describe as the Lizard Beings and those you describe as the Grays. This is necessary for their survival in each case. Even though the Grays are not natural parts of the short wave cycle, but rather an artificial creation by the Lizard Beings, but nevertheless they mimic the nourishment functions.

Q: (L) Since they are artificially created by the Lizard beings, does this mean they have no souls?

A: That’s correct.

Q: (L) How do they function? Are they like robots?

A: They function by interaction with the souls of the Lizard beings. This technology is extremely far in advance of that with which you are familiar, but the Gray beings are not only built and designed artificially, but also function as a projection mentally and psychically of the Lizard beings. They are like four dimensional probes.

Q: (L) As four dimensional probes, what are their capabilities?

A: They have all the same capabilities of the Lizard beings except for the fact that their physical appearance is entirely different and they do not have souls of their own and also their biological structure is internally different. But, their functioning is the same and in order to remain as projection beings they also must absorb nutrients in the same fashion both spiritually and physically as the Lizard beings do. The reason the negative energy is necessary fuel is that the Lizard beings and the Grays are both living in the fourth level of density, which is the highest level of density one can exist in serving only self as these entities do. So, therefore, they must absorb negative energy because the fourth level of density is the highest example of self service which is a negative thought pattern. The fourth level of density is a progression from the third level of density. With each progression upward in density level, the existence for the individual conscious entity becomes less difficult. So, therefore, the fourth level of density is less difficult to exist in that the third, the third is less difficult than the second and so on. It puts less strain on the soul energy. Therefore, beings existing on the fourth level of density can draw from beings existing on the third level of density in terms of absorption of negative soul energy. Likewise, beings on the third level of density can draw from beings on the second level of density, though this type of drawing is not as necessary but is done. This is why human beings existing on the third level frequently cause pain and suffering to those of the animal kingdom who exist on the second level of density because you are drawing negative soul energy as beings who primarily serve self, as you do, from those on the second level, and on the first, and so on. Now, as you advance to the fourth level of density which is coming up for you, you must now make a choice as to whether to progress to service to others or to remain at the level of service to self. This will be the decision which will take quite some time for you to adjust to. This is what is referred to as the “thousand year period.” This is the period as measured in your calendar terms that will determine whether or not you will advance to service to others or remain at the level of service to self. And those who are described as the Lizards have chosen to firmly lock themselves into service to self. And, since they are at the highest level of density where this is possible, they must continually draw large amounts of negative energy from those at the third level, second level, and so on, which is why they do what they do. This also explains why their race is dying, because they have not been able to learn for themselves how to remove themselves from this particular form of expression to that of service to others. And, since they have such, as you would measure it, a long period of time, remained at this level and, in fact, become firmly entrenched in it, and, in fact, have increased themselves in it, this is why they are dying and desperately trying to take as much energy from you as possible and also to recreate their race metabolically.

Q: (L) Well, if we are sources of food and labor for them, why don’t they just breed us in pens on their own planet?

A: They do.

Q: (L) Well, since there is so many of us here, why don’t they just move in and take over?

A: That is their intention. That has been their intention for quite some time. They have been traveling back and forth through time as you know it, to set things up so that they can absorb a maximum amount of negative energy with the transference from third level to fourth level that this planet is going to experience, in the hopes that they can overtake you on the fourth level and thereby accomplish several things. 1: retaining their race as a viable species; 2: increasing their numbers; 3: increasing their power; 4: expanding their race throughout the realm of fourth density. To do all of this they have been interfering with events for what you would measure on your calendar as approximately 74 thousand years. And they have been doing so in a completely still state of space time traveling backward and forward at will during this work. Interestingly enough, though, all of this will fail.

Q: (L) How can you be so sure it will fail?

A: Because we see it. We are able to see all, not just what we want to see. Their failing is that they see only what they want to see. In other words, it’s the highest manifestation possible of that which you would refer to as wishful thinking. And, wishful thinking represented on the fourth level of density becomes reality for that level. You know how you wishfully think? Well, it isn’t quite reality for you because you are on the third level, but if you are on the fourth level and you were to perform the same function, it would indeed be your awareness of reality. Therefore they cannot see what we can see since we serve others as opposed to self, and since we are on sixth level, we can see all that is at all points as is, not as we would want it to be.

Q: (L) Zecharia Sitchin proposes that the pyramid was built as a permanent marking system to navigate the solar system, could you comment on that idea?

A: That is incorrect. The pyramids were built as energy storage and transference facilities. They were built by the descendants of those known to you as the Atlanteans who are, of course, your ancestors in soul matters. They were not built to be markers for anything.

Q: (L) Did any aliens at all, and specifically the Lizzies, ever live among mankind and receive worship?

A: They did not live among mankind, but they did interact directly with human beings, at various points in the past. It was at those points when human beings were ready, willing and able to accept deities appearing directly from outside sources and then worship them. Such things would not have occurred in the recent past. But, beware, it may very well occur very soon.

Q: (L) Who made the Nazca lines in South America and what was their purpose?

A: Those were natives living in the area at the particular time who were highly advanced spiritually and they put those lines there to call to others that were coming from what they perceived to be an outer space location.

Q: (L) Were they symbols of power in any way?

A: Well, some may have perceived them as such but they were mainly an effort to call forth those who had been worshipped and had appeared to them previously from the outside including not only the Lizard Beings, but other travelers.

Q: (L) Who built the city of Angkor Wat?

A: That was built by the Lizard Beings themselves. Built approximately 3108 years ago.

Q: (L) Who built the city of Mohenjo Daro?

A: That also was built by the Lizard Beings directly.

Q: (L) Did they live in these cities?

A: No, as stated before, they did not live there, they visited or occupied on a temporary basis, but did not live there.

Q: (L) Who did they build the cities for?

A: They built the cities for themselves and their worshippers amongst humans.

Q: (L) In an earlier reading, the question was asked as to what planet you are from, and the response was Corsoca. The question was then asked: “Can you be more specific?” and the answer was 2 dilor. Is this an incorrect spelling or what does this mean?

A: That which you refer to as Corsoca is actually not what you would refer to as a planet in your understanding, because you must understand it is at the sixth level of density which is completely out of reach of any of your senses except for the sixth one, therefore you do not have any concept of the level of being at that density. So, the term “planet” simply cannot apply here. But, that is, indeed, our residence. But it is best left at that because to try to explain to you what exactly it is like there would not be possible for you to imagine.

Q: (L) Alright. You mentioned in this earlier reading something about a “Denver Airport Scandal”. Recently it has come to my attention that this is a possible development. Is this scandal going to develop into a far worse situation and, if so, what are the ramifications?

A: Yes, that will be an ongoing problem, to say the least.

Q: (L) Are there any rituals that can be performed to provide protection for one against intrusion by the Lizzies.

A: Rituals are self-defeating.

Q: (L) Are there any technological means we can use?

A: The only defense needed is knowledge. Knowledge defends you against every possible form of harm in existence. The more knowledge you have, the less fear you have, the less pain you have, the less stress you feel, the less anguish you feel, and the less danger you experience of any form or sort. Think of this very carefully now for this is very important: Where is there any limitation in the concept behind the word “knowledge”? Being that there is no limitation, what is the value of that word? Infinite. Can you conceive of how that one concept, that one meaning frees you from all limitation? Use your sixth sense to conceive of how the word, the term, the meaning of knowledge can provide with all that you could possibly ever need. If you think carefully you will begin to see glimpses of how this is true in its greatest possible form.

Q: (L) Does this include knowledge learned from books?

A: This includes all possible meanings of the concept of the word. Can you think of how it would be that simply with one term, this one word can carry so much meaning? We sense that you are not completely aware. You can have glimpses of illumination and illumination comes from knowledge. If you strive perpetually to gain and gather knowledge, you provide yourself with protection from every possible negative occurrence that could ever happen. Do you know why this is? The more knowledge you have, the more awareness you have as to how to protect yourself. Eventually this awareness becomes so powerful and so all encompassing that you do not even have to perform tasks or rituals, if you prefer, to protect yourself. The protection simply comes naturally with the awareness.

Q: (L) Does knowledge have a substance or an existence apart from its possession or its acceptance?

A: Knowledge has all substance. It goes to the core of all existence.

Q: (L) So acquiring knowledge includes adding substance to one’s being?

A: Indeed. It includes adding everything to one’s being that is desirable. And also, when you keep invoking the light, as you do, truly understand that the light is knowledge. That is the knowledge which is at the core of all existence. And being at the core of all existence it provides protection from every form of negativity in existence. Light is everything and everything is knowledge and knowledge is everything. You are doing extremely well in acquiring of knowledge. Now all you need is the faith and realization that acquiring of knowledge is all you need.

Q: (L) I just want to be sure that the source that I am acquiring the knowledge from is not a deceptive source.

A: If you simply have faith, no knowledge that you could possibly acquire could possibly be false because there is no such thing. Anyone or anything that tries to give you false knowledge, false information, will fail. The very material substance that the knowledge takes on, since it is at the root of all existence, will protect you from absorption of false information which is not knowledge. There is no need to fear the absorption of false information when you are simply openly seeking to acquire knowledge. And knowledge forms the protection – all the protection you could ever need.

Q: (L) There are an awful lot of people who are being open and trusting and having faith who are getting zapped and knocked on their rears.

A: No. That is simply your perception. What you are failing to perceive is that these people are not really gathering knowledge. These people are stuck at some point in their pathway to progress and they are undergoing a hidden manifestation of what is referred to in your terms as obsession. Obsession is not knowledge, obsession is stagnation. So, when one becomes obsessed, one actually closes off the absorption and the growth and the progress of soul development which comes with the gaining of true knowledge. For when one becomes obsessed one deteriorates the protection therefore one is open to problems, to tragedies, to all sorts of difficulties. Therefore one experiences same.

Q: (L) While we are on the subject of knowledge and experiencing things that may or may not be pleasant, I would like to ask for Frank what it is he needs to learn?

A: He is moving in the right direction at the present time even though he is not completely aware of that fact. He can appear to be under more stress than he actually is and also he has an extreme store of innate information which is one reason why we are able to work through him because we opened those channels a long time ago. Interestingly enough, though you are not aware of it, your own existence has been influenced by this very same factor.

Q: (L) Which factor?

A: The natural progression being experienced by the one you know as Frank.

Q: (L) In what respect?

A: You are being driven and you are driving yourself in the right direction because of your interaction with this individual even though you are not completely aware of that fact, that is, in fact, what is happening.

Q: (L) What caused Frank to spend so many years interacting with a person such as N___ E___? {“Dane” in “Amazing Grace”.}

A: That was part of the learning process and was also Karmic in nature.

Q: (L) And what brought that whole situation to a halt?

A: It was time to end.

Q: (L) During a previous reading we asked several questions about Jesus of Nazareth known as the Christ. The question was asked: “Was Jesus special, that is, Christed, in some way?” The answer came back was: “Quick exalted; wars; civil entrancement. Zindar council.” I would like to know the meaning of these references.

A: Quick exalted refers to a sudden boost of awareness level as related to your previous questions about knowledge. Sometimes that acquisition can occur in a surge and sometimes this is referred to as illumination. Jesus acquired his knowledge by having complete faith in his ability to acquire the knowledge from a higher source. This faith caused an equal balancing interaction with higher sources, which allowed him to gain supreme knowledge simply by having that faith. Remember that the resources for the acquisition of knowledge in the space/time ere of Christ were much more limited than they are now. There were few options open for acquiring true knowledge except total and complete faith. And this one was instilled with the awareness that total and complete faith would cause dramatic and spectacular acquisition of knowledge; also would cause dramatic and spectacular progression of the soul being. Therefore, the faith was felt, the knowledge was received.

Q: (L) What was the source of the knowledge?

A: The source was the sixth level of density which is where we reside and we also were involved in that as well.

Q: (L) What does the term “Civil entrancement” mean?

A: Civil entrancement is a complete balancing of one’s useful energies to a level where there is no experiencing of over balancing on the positive or negative side which is preferable for meditation in a mass form.

Q: (L) What is the Zendar Council?

A: Zendar Council is a sixth level density council which spans both physical and ethereal realms and which oversees dramatic development points at various civilizational sector s in lower density levels.

Q: (L) I would like you to expound a bit on the life of Christ in terms of chronology of events. Could you tell us about his understanding about himself, his interaction with higher sources, his state of being Christed, and what was the true work he came her to do and how did he accomplish it?

A: His awareness of who and what he was gradually came as he grew. He was taught by us through his faith as described previously. And you should have faith as well because you would find things would come to you as “knowings” more often than even now. Jesus awareness of his mission and his actions pertaining to it were part of the natural progression of his growth and development. The information about his “miracles” has been largely corrupted by writings which have been passed down after the actual event period. Most of these writings are by entities who wish to confuse and corrupt all humanity for previously stated purposes. The idea was that if one perceived Jesus as performing physical miracles, then your entire understanding of what the life experience here on earth and on this plane is, and the meaning for it all, is also corrupted and the knowledge is blocked which is the goal of those who have done this. Jesus’ purpose and plan was to teach knowledge to all who sought but did not have the strength to express as great a level of faith as he had to acquire the knowledge as he did from higher sources. If they were open and willing to learn they could be taught by hearing. He had only very limited success in imparting faith to others because faith comes solely from within and that is one of the most difficult things for beings on your plane to acquire.

Q: (L) Now, it has been discussed before that Jesus was probably the product of a genetically selected impregnation, could you comment on this and why this would be.

A: There was no genetic selection of the impregnation. That is incorrect.

Q: (L) Okay, then what was it?

A: It was a natural conception.

Q: (L) Well what I meant was that the person was selected to be the biological father.

A: Well, that is always the case in every single birth that occurs in your level of density.

Q: (L) Could you comment on the idea that is implicit in this that Jesus was illegitimate?

A: Obviously if one feels that this would put a shadow or stain on him in some way, or the knowledge that he imparted, then you have not been paying attention. Did you not hear what was said about obsession as opposed to knowledge? Those who are truly, within themselves, at all points of development, trying to seek greater knowledge, will not be blocked by any ideas relating to illegitimacy as you refer to it. Those who are obsessed, by choice, rather than trying to seek true knowledge, will indeed be blocked at that point. It is all up to the choice of the individual. If you choose to develop and gain knowledge then you are never blocked or obsessed at any point about anything ever. However if you choose to limit your knowledge or become obsessed then you are constantly finding yourself blocked and this will manifest in all your life experiences. That is part of the individual soul development pattern. It is all based on choice. Therefore it is not possible for you to interfere with another’s choice to acquire knowledge or not and how it is or is not done. There is no need to try to alter another’s perceptions because that would be to interfere with free will. If one chooses to be obsessed rather than to be illumined, that is their choice!

Q: (L) We talked about the planet Martek. Is this an ancient human name for Mars or is it an Alien designation?

A: Combination of both as were many things at various levels of the development of your history.

Q: (L) The remark was made that the planet earth, prior to its interaction with Martek, had a water vapor canopy. How was this water vapor canopy suspended?

A: The water vapor canopy was a natural element of the particular composition of your atmosphere at that particular measure point in space/time.

Q: (L) Was the gravity level the same as what it is now?

A: It was somewhat different. But not perceptible to you. That difference is part of the explanation of why that vapor canopy remained suspended.

Q: (L) Did that condition prior to the flood of Noah, the altered gravitational state as well as the water vapor canopy, was that condition more conducive to extended life spans than the conditions that exist on the planet now?

A: Not only those things but all the other conditions that existed on the planet at that particular point in space/time were more conducive to longer life spans. And, by the way, Noah is a symbolic message rather than an historical event.

Q: (L) Do you mean a historical event in the terms of Noah being in an ark or historical event in terms of the flood?

A: First of all, there was no Noah. Secondly there was no actual real flood as depicted in that story. Thirdly, the whole story was a symbolic message as opposed to an actual event.

Q: (L) What did actually occur and what does the symbolism have to tell us?

A: It is a very broad representation. It simply means that there was a cataclysmic event that did envelop the whole planet at that time and that those that were ready to experience that as part of their soul development without exiting the body, were warned ahead of time. But not by trying to manipulate events, but by simply allowing faith to let them acquire knowledge and being naturally drawn into position to experience what they needed to experience to survive the event.

Q: (L) At that time was Martek drawn close to the earth and did it have water on its surface which the earth then robbed or borrowed?

A: That is very close to being the case. It is far more complicated than that so we will leave that at this time.

Q: (L) Tell me about the Nephilim.

A: That was a race of beings in the third level of density which came from an actual planet at another point in this particular galaxy also in the third level of density, who were taken, or shall we say kidnapped, reprogrammed and retrained by the Lizard Beings to act as enforcers during a particular era of what you would measure as your past.

Q: (L) What era was that?

A: That was an era… it would have been approximately 8 to 5 thousand years ago but there are also dates relating to 12 to 14 thousand years ago and others. Dating system is not ours and does not exist for us.

Q: (L) For how many years did these beings exist on our earth?

A: Approximately 15 to 18 hundred years. They died off because they were not able to reproduce naturally in the atmosphere of the earth and experimentation to try to cause them to intermix with the human population did not succeed.

Q: (L) When did the last of them die off?

A: Probably near 6 to 7 thousand years ago. But there is also a reference point of 12 to 14 thousand years as well.

Q: (L) What was the name of the planet they came from?

A: Dorlaqua.

Q: (L) Where was this planet located?

A: This planet was located in the Orion complex.

Q: (L) After the “flood of Noah” approximately how many people survived that cataclysm on the whole earth?

A: Approximately 19 million.

Q: (L) Why did the population of the earth continue to decline from that point?

A: Because of disease and inability to adjust due to artificial manipulations of the genetic pool.

Q: (L) What did the tower of Babel look like?

A: Looked very similar to your Washington monument. Which re-creation is an ongoing replication of a soul memory.

Q: (L) Would the great pyramid in Egypt still work if someone knew how to use it?

A: It still works today even though it isn’t being artificially used. It was also a preservative chamber. If you were to walk inside the confines of the great pyramid and then leave the body, your body would retain its structure for quite some time. This ability has contributed to the preservation of the actual structure.

Q: (L) What did the original face on the sphinx look like?

A: Looked like a representation of a feline and a human.

Q: (L) At one point in a previous transmission it was stated that the Lizard beings altered the human race after a battle for their own “feeding” purposes. Could you clarify this?

A: It would not be possible for these beings to completely control your existence. If it were you would not be able to do the things your race has done. There has been interference by the Lizard beings in the physical structure of the human beings for their own benefit. Remember what we told you before. They have been interfering with the time cycle experienced on this plane, for quite some time as you measure it. For 74 thousand years they have been interfering in a backwards and forwards time reference manner in order to set up circumstances that they perceive to be beneficial for them in the measure of time that you would consider to be forward, that is, in the future. They have been going backwards and forwards in time to do this. They are suspended in the time cycle as they do this. So what they perceive as being your equivalent of one hour could be as long as 74 thousand years.

Q: (L) So they haven’t been here for 300 thousand years?

A: They originally set up circumstances for their benefit 309 thousand years ago, however, they have been using the particular bracketed period of the 74 thousand year period alter things in all the various ways mentioned earlier.

Q: (L) Now you mentioned the creators of your group as the super ancient ancestors called the transient passengers, what is the meaning of this term and who are these beings?

A: Transient passengers are not beings. Transient Passengers are unified thought form.

Q: (L) Why are they called transient passengers?

A: Because they transit all forms of reality. And they spring forth from the Unified form of existence.

Q: (L) The planet that was destroyed between Jupiter and Mars that we now know as the asteroid belt, you said was destroyed by psychic energy. Could you clarify that?

A: The occupants of that planet, many of whom are your soul ancestors, simply decided to develop a service to self atmosphere that was so super charged in the negative that it actually caused their home planet to be destroyed because the energy levels became so intense crashing back upon themselves that they actually destroyed the atomic structure of the planet, causing it to physically explode.

Q: (L) Was this done technologically or was it strictly done by mind power?

A: They are one and the same.

Q: (L) Did they do something like drop bombs?

A: No, no. This was done by psychic energy. There has been in a transient fashion of reality the danger of the same thing happening on your planet. Although we are quite confident it won’t because we see all reality, past present and future. But, you must understand also that even in our particular perspective point, all reality is nonetheless fluid. There are still many choices of realities and possible futures and possible pasts and possible presents. But we feel fairly confident that that particular fate will not befall your planet, although it did the one then known as Kantek.

Q: (L) On a couple of occasions it has been mentioned that Yasser Arafat was a fifth density soul and that he was a descendant of Jesus of Nazareth. What is there about him that demonstrates these qualities or these genetics?

A: Have you not seen? Imagine what it would be like to be Yasser Arafat. Look at your perception. What is he doing now?

Q: (L) Well the pro-Jewish point of view is not favorable to him.

A: Well, what you describe as pro anything is an obsession. And, as we know, obsession blocks knowledge which in turn blocks the ability to protect oneself against negative occurrences. Not a good idea. If you were following circumstances, Yasser Arafat is now trying to take the world upon his shoulders by making peace with the Israelis who have been enemies for a very long time. And, therefore, he is now a peace maker and knowledge dispenser.

Q: (L) In that particular conflict between the Jews and the Arabs, which side has the greater validity?

A: All sides have equal validity. It is only with individuals we find negativity or positivity.

Q: (L) In discussion of a purported crash of a space craft in Roswell, it was remarked that this crash was caused by ionization. Could you be more specific?

A: That reference simply means the bouncing of what you call radar beams off of the ions existing in the atmosphere at the time, caused electromagnetic disturbance which interfered the gravitational balancing system of that particular craft.

Q: (L) Why were the ions present at that time and not at other times?

A: The ions were charged at that time because of storm activity.

Q: (L) You said that there were bodies recovered by the government. How many bodies were recovered?

A: Three dead and one still in operation.

Q: (L) How long did the one live?

A: Remained in operation for approximately 3 and a half years. It was a robotic biogenetic being rather than a soul encompassing physical existence.

Q: (L) Did the government know that it was a robotic being?

A: No.

Q: (L) Do they still think it was a living being?

A: The government is not one individual. Some are now aware that these are biogenetic engineered beings.

Q: (L) In another transmission we were told that we would receive information from a different being each time of contact in order to get good information. Why is this?

A: That is to make sure that balance and equilibrium is maintained and also informational sources are fresh in the interaction between the giver and the receiver.

Q: Well, that is it for tonight. Thank you.

A: Good Night.


2.14 October 23, 1994

Frank, Laura, VG

See the October 22nd session – direct channeling with Frank – for context.

Q: (L) Hello.

A: Hello. Join mirth Laura.

Q: (L) I am not unmirthful. Who is with us tonight?

A: Onokoia.

Q: (L) Where are you from?

A: Same.

Q: (L) Are you a Cassiopaean?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Last night we tried direct channeling through Frank, I was not entirely satisfied with the results. Can you tell me what the status was and should we pursue that avenue?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Was Frank operating as a clear channel last night?

A: Partly.

Q: (L) What was the nature of the interference?

A: Static electromagnetic.

Q: (L) What was the origin of this static?

A: Various. Channels must be grooved as this one has been.

Q: (L) Is it correct that we should persist with practice for him to become a clear channel?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) How often should we do this?

A: Open, but one time per week would be work.

Q: (L) How long will it take to “groove” or clear the channel?

A: Open.

Q: (L) Was the trance technique acceptable?

A: Choose another.

Q: (L) Could you give a suggestion?

A: Opening.

Q: (L) So I should suggest another thing for the opening of the channel?

A: Good idea: subject, you are drifting, falls, etc.

Q: (L) What visual image should I give him in suggestion to open the channel?

A: Up to you. You are now probing in lieu of learning.

Q: (L) E___ L____: Can you tell me about her physical condition?

A: Thyroid and Estrogen count. Psychological problems caused by thyroid.

Q: (L) Is there anything wrong with her heart or her aorta?

A: Thyroid.

Q: (L) How long after mankind was engineered by the Cassiopaeans did they live on the earth in a harmonious, Edenic, condition before the zapping by the Lizards?

A: Mankind was not engineered by us.

Q: (L) Well, were we created by you?

A: No.

Q: (L) Well, then how did mankind come to be here?

A: Combination of factors. Numerous souls desired physical existence then was altered by three forces including principally Lizards through Grays, Nephalim and Orion union.

Q: (L) Tell us again who are the Nephilim?

A: Enforcers. Slaves of Orion. From Planet 3C, or 3rd star, 3rd planet.

Q: (L) You said the other night that the Nephalim came from some area around the constellation Scorpio, is that correct?

A: Originally seeded there but you were too.

Q: (L) We were originally seeded somewhere else? Where? Orion? What is the name of that planet?

A: D’Ankhiar. Ankh is ancient symbolism of this planet. Is female symbol. Stands for mother planet.

Q: (L) Is this other planet our original home?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) What is it like back Home?

A: Spent. Cindered. Burned up.

Q: (L) So it’s true, you can’t go home?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) These Nephilim, how tall were they again?

A: Up to 15 feet maximum.

Q: (L) Was Goliath, who was killed by David, one of the Nephilim?

A: Yes. In legend. Actual event depicted in story was earlier.

Q: (L) Was it actually David and Goliath?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Did he actually slay him with a stone from a slingshot?

A: Close.

Q: (L) Were these Nephilim genetically intermixed with human beings?

A: Temporarily.

Q: (L) Why only temporarily?

A: DNA conflict.

Q: (L) Were they smarter than us?

A: No.

Q: (L) Were they bigger and dumber?

A: No.

Q: (L) About the same?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Was it difficult for them to live on our planet because of their size and gravity and so forth?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Did they have physical problems here?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And when did the last of them die off?

A: 6000 B.C. Approximately. One reference.

Q: (L) When were they originally brought here?

A: 12000 B.C. approx. one reference. Please understand your measurements don’t make sense.

Q: (L) Let’s go back to the three forces. You said numerous souls desired physical existence. When the numerous souls did this, how did physical existence come to be?

A: First was apelike.

Q: (L) And then what happened? Did these apelike being just pop into the air? What did the souls do with these apelike beings?

A: Souls altered them by transfer.

Q: (L) Transfer of what?

A: Souls into seeded bodies. Orion Union was first into Neanderthal.

Q: (L) The Orion souls came into Neanderthal bodies?

A: No. Put humans there for incubation process.

Q: (L) Were altered ape embryos put back into ape females for gestation?

A: No. Souls only.

Q: (L) They put the souls into the ape bodies?

A: Close.

Q: (L) Did the soul’s presence in the ape body cause its genetics and DNA to change?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) They entered into living creatures on this planet to experience 3 d reality and by entering in caused mutation?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Then were altered by Orion Union first. They resemble you.

Q: (L) Who resembles us?

A: The Orions.

Q: (L) We haven’t talked too much about the Orions…

A: Orion Union. There are others in Orion Community.

Q: (L) Are some of the Orions not good guys as we would term it?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Are some of them good guys?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) So, you are saying that the original creators or genetic engineers were Orions?

A: Close. The original engineers but not inhabitants.

Q: (L) Where did the souls come from that entered into the bodies on the planet earth? Were they in bodies on other planets before they came here?

A: Not this group.

Q: (L) Were they just floating around in the universe somewhere?

A: In union with the One. Have you heard the Super ancient legend of Lucifer, the Fallen Angel?

Q: (L) Who is Lucifer?

A: You. The human race.

Q: (L) Are the souls of individual humans the parts of a larger soul?

A: Yes. Close. The One. All who have fallen must learn “the hard way.”

Q: (L) Are you saying that the act of wanting to experience physical reality is the act of falling?

A: You are members of a fragmented soul unit.

Q: (L) What is it about wanting to be physical is a “fall”?

A: Pleasure for the self.

Q: (L) How many people on the planet know what you are teaching us?

A: A few.

Q: (L) Are we “special” in some way to receive this?

A: All are special.

Q: (L) How many know?

A: 8 so far.

Q: (L) Will we be able to teach others?

A: Up to you.

Q: (L) Who are the others?

A: No contact right now.

Q: (L) Did, at any time, the human race live for a long time in an Edenic state, where they were able to use bodies and still have a spiritual connection?

A: Yes. But not long. No addiction takes long to close the circle.

Q: (L) So, mankind was addicted to pleasuring the self?

A: Became quickly.

Q: (L) How long from the time of the moving of souls into bodies did the “Fall” in Eden occur?

A: Not measurable. Remember Laura, there is no time when this event occurred. Time passage illusion did not exist at that point as well as many other falsehoods.

Q: (L) So you are saying that the Fall in Eden was also the beginning of time?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) These many other falsehoods that you mention, could you tell us about a couple. We know that the first one is time…

A: You must learn on your own.

Q: (L) {One of my kids} wants to know what the Loch Ness Monster is?

A: Serpent. 40 feet long average. There are 51 in the lake. They live in underwater cavern system and are leftovers from pre-cataclysmic times.

Q: (L) Are there any huge monsters at the bottom of the ocean?

A: Giant squid about 1000 feet long. There are about 20,000 of them more or less.

Q: (L) Are there any leftover dinosaurs in the jungles of Africa or South America?

A: No.

Q: (L) Is a vegetarian style of eating good for one?

A: Not usually.

Q: (L) What did human beings eat before the Fall?

A: Vegetarian.

Q: (L) So, until we go through the transition we are not really designed to be vegetarian?

A: Correct.

Q: (L) Would we be able to use this source to do readings for other people to give them information that they need?

A: Open.

Q: (L) Would you be willing to help us to give readings for other people?

A: OK.

Q: (L) I would like to know if the teachings of Gurdjieff were in any way accurate or near the truth?

A: Open.

Q: (L) We would like to know the source of information coming through Billy Meier?

A: Grays.

Q: (L) He is not channeling Pleiadians?

A: Was but not now.

Q: (L) Are the Minturians associated with the Lizzies? {Name of alien group given in a text we had read in Val Valerian’s “Matrix”, I believe.}

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Are the Minturians assisting in abductions?

A: No.

Q: (L) Are the Minturians on the planet at this time?

A: No.

Q: (L) Are they nearby our planet?

A: No.

Q: (L) Are they in any way involved with the activities going on on the planet at this time?

A: No.

Q: (L) Are they slaves of the Lizzies?

A: No.

Q: (L) Are they living on a free will planet?

A: Yes. All are.

Q: (L) How tall are they?

A: 11 feet tall average but in 4th density realm.

Q: (L) Do they eat?

A: No.

Q: (L) Do they reproduce?

A: Mechanically.

Q: (L) When the earth becomes 4th density will we still eat?

A: Differently.

Q: (L) Will we still reproduce?

A: Differently.

Q: (L) Will people still have sexual relations?

A: Wait and see for yourself. Absorb nutrients through the skin.

Q: (L) In the same way as the Lizzies and Grays do?

A: They are 4 level.

Q: (L) And they also absorb nutrients through their skin?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) What nutrients do they use?

A: Many.

Q: (L) What source do they use for these nutrients?

A: Answered by Frank previous session.

Q: (L) Are you saying that we will be feeding ourselves the same way?

A: No.

Q: (L) Is it true they throw people in the blender and then absorb their bodies.

A: Close.

Q: (L) Was Jeffrey Dahmer abducted by the Lizzies at an early age?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Did he get his perversions from the Lizzies?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Is he genetically connected to the Lizzies?

A: No.

Q: (L) I have a book in the bedroom called The P’taah Tapes channelled by a gal named Jani King. Who is Jani King channelling?

A: Herself.

Q: (L) We want to know about the Ra Material by Elkins, Rueckert and McCarty, where is the Ra Material coming from?

A: Us.

Q: (L) Would you say that the Ra Material comes through a clear channel?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) If we had a book with the inscriptions from the city of Mohenjo Daro, would you be able to translate them for us?

A: Maybe.

Q: (L) Who built Stonehenge?

A: Druids.

Q: (L) Who were the Druids?

A: Early Aryan group.

Q: (L) How did they move the stones and set them up?

A: Sound wave focusing; try it yourself; coral castle.

Q: (L) Who taught the Druids to use the sound waves?

A: They knew; handed down.

Q: (L) When was Stonehenge built?

A: 6000 approx. B.C.

Q: (L) What was Stonehenge built to do or be used for?

A: Energy director.

Q: (L) What was this energy to be directed to do?

A: All things.

Q: (L) Was the energy to be directed outward or inward to the center?

A: Both.

Q: (L) Are you suggesting we should get together and try to move something with sound?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Does this sound come from our bodies?

A: Learn. Laura will find answer through discovery.

Q: (L) It says in the Kaballah that when a group meets regularly with intent and purpose to acquire spiritual awareness, that they create what is called a vessel. Is this what we have done these past three years?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Now, since we have created this vessel, into which this information can flow, can we add other people to the use and benefits of this vessel?

A: Maybe.

Q: (L) We have heard about a movie called The PuppetMaster, is this movie a depiction of truth?

A: Close.

Q: (L) Were the events surrounding the death of JFK depicted correctly in the Oliver Stone movie, JFK?

A: Close.

Q: (L) Is it true that he was shot by one of his own bodyguards?

A: No.

Q: (L) Why was he killed?

A: Corruption.

Q: (L) Was he the one who was corrupt?

A: Too many facts to discuss in this medium.

Q: (L) Did Marilyn Monroe commit suicide?

A: No.

Q: (L) Was she murdered?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Was she murdered because of her connection with JFK?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) What did she know that made them want to murder her?

A: A lot.

Q: (L) Who was the man in the velvet or iron mask who was imprisoned by Louis xiv?

A: An heir to the throne.

Q: (L) If that was an heir, what relation was he to the king?

A: Bastard son. Using your terminology.

Q: (L) Did Elvis Presley really die?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Is he really in his grave?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Did he die of an overdose?

A: Close. Heart attack.

Q: (L) Do the tabloids print truth about UFOs?

A: Very often.

Q: (L) Was the woman who reappeared in Berlin who said she was the Princess Anastasia really who she said she was? {There have been books claiming she was not, that a DNA test on a tissue sample proved she was not. However, this was done after she had died and there were powerful reasons to dismiss her claims so there was motivation to either fake this test or replace the tissue sample with another. The most compelling book about her claims used sophisticated analysis – including intel agency developed ear matching techniques – to prove that she was the Grand Duchess, Anastasia.}

A: Yes.


2.15 October 25, 1994

Frank, Laura, VG

Q: (L) Who do we have with us tonight?

A: Batuva.

Q: (L) Are you a discarnate earth spirit?

A: No.

Q: (L) Where are you from?

A: Cassiopaea.

Q: (L) Are you prepared to answer our questions this evening?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) The first question is what is the meaning of the winged circle that is so common throughout ancient religions?

A: Life energy.

Q: (L) Why was life energy represented this way?

A: Closed circle. Free spirit in closed circle.

Q: (L) What is the meaning of the eye of Horus?

A: Psychic energy.

Q: (L) What was the origin of the serpent god?

A: Lizard rule.

Q: (L) Who appeared to Joan of Arc?

A: Lizard projection.

Q: (L) What is the true origin of Halloween?

A: All Hallows Eve.

Q: (L) Is there something older than that?

A: No.

Q: (L) Are there alien bases on the Moon?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Who do the bases belong to?

A: Grays.

Q: (L) Was there ever at any time such a thing as mermaids?

A: No.

Q: (L) What is the origin of this legend?

A: Sailors delirium.

Q: (L) Are there alien bases on Mars?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Whose?

A: Grays and Lizards.

Q: (L) The kids want to know what the giant squids eat?

A: Various things.

Q: (L) Do they have a purpose for being on the planet?

A: Does anything?

Q: (L) Does it?

A: We asked you. Rhetorical question.

Q: (L) The kids also want to know how long it takes a squid to grow that big and how long they live?

A: 200 to grow and live up to 700 years.

Q: (L) What procedure or technology do the Grays use to pass through solid matter?

A: Transdimensional atomic rearrangement.

Q: (L) How do aliens transport themselves or others on beams of light?

A: By electron focusing and previous answer.

Q: (L) How do aliens create the virtual reality scenarios as described in Karla Turner’s second book?

A: Mental image restructuring.

Q: (L) Why does this phenomenon involve the use of the “blue bubble” or light?

A: Hypnotic suggestion trigger.

Q: (L) What is the basis of the Gnostic texts such as the apocryphon of John?

A: Ancient atheists.

Q: (L) What was the energy fueling the crazy sick life of Aliester Crowley?

A: Lizards.

Q: (L) Are Lizards responsible for paranoid schizophrenia?

A: Some.

Q: (L) In a general sense, in the majority of cases, what is the cause of paranoia or schizophrenia?

A: Lizard manipulation of energies.

Q: (L) Why?

A: To feed off the negative results.

Q: (L) So it isn’t necessarily attachments?

A: No.

Q: (L) Do Lizards use attachments of dark energies to effect their purposes?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) In a lot of cases of paranoid schizophrenia are attachments used?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Are they perpetuating schizophrenia through genetics?

A: Can. Or mental and emotional. Environmental life experiences.

Q: (L) Why does it not usually show up until adolescence? Is this because adolescents are being abducted and having implants put in?

A: Not necessarily.

Q: (V) Do I have an implant in my right ear?

A: Yes.

Q: (V) It has been going off a lot lately.

A: Caused by your interactions with these powerful channels.

Q: (V) What do you mean by powerful channels?

A: Laura and Frank.

Q: (V) Are they Lizard implants?

A: Yes. Monitoring heavily lately.

Q: (V) When did I get the implants?

A: Age 3.

Q: (L) How come Frank and I cause her implant to Buzz? (V) It buzzes when I’m not with you guys, too.

A: Set off.

Q: (L) Does that mean that we are controlled by Lizards?

A: They are concerned by VG’s communication with us through you.

Q: (L) What is their concern?

A: Losing mole.

Q: (L) As in espionage terminology.

Q: (L) Is VG a mole?

A: Were subconsciously.

Q: (L) VG wants to know if she is detrimental to the project by being here?

A: No. Beneficial but the Lizards may resist.

Q: (L) How would they do this resistance?

A: Make her life more difficult just like they have with you two.

Q: (V) But it seems that my life is more on track that it has ever been before?

A: Watch out. Too late to leave project.

Q: (V) I just heard something in my left ear. Is that also an implant?

A: Yes.

Q: (V) Do they know what we are doing right at this moment?

A: Yes.

Q: (V) Should I stop and go home?

A: Up to you.

Q: (L) Why do the implants go off when they do?

A: Monitoring. They have reasons to monitor when they do. They can turn on the monitor and read everything that has gone on since the last monitoring. It is done at their convenience.

Q: (V) Do I have an implant in my left sinus which causes thick discharge?

A: Yes.

Q: (V) Am I going to be able to blow it out?

A: No.

Q: (L) I want you to translate for me this phrase: Enuma elish lanabu shamamu.

A: All are seen together.

Q: (L) Translate: Apsu.

A: Life.

Q: (L) Nudimmud.

A: World.

Q: (L) Marduk

A: Mars.

Q: (L) Kingu

A: Light.

Q: (L) Duggae

A: Ground.

Q: (L) What is the Enuma elish really about?

A: Ascent.

Q: (L) Ascent of what?

A: Gods.

Q: (L) What gods were these?

A: Lizards.

Q: (L) How many planets did the Sumerians know about?

A: They thought 12.

Q: (L) What is a “tablet of destinies”?

A: Map.

Q: (L) How did Marduk slay Tiamat?

A: Wrong.

Q: (L) Marduk did not slay Tiamat?

A: No.

Q: (L) What did it mean when it said “putting Tiamat’s head into position?”

A: Mars conjunct Moon.

Q: (L) How did Tiamat’s head form the “hammered bracelet”?

A: Comet trail.

Q: (L) Is the Quorum composed of members who are humans on this planet?

A: Partly.

Q: (L) Would we know any of them as well known figures?

A: Hidden. None you would know.

Q: (L) How is the Quorum important in regard to the Earth changes?

A: Watchers.

Q: (L) Why is it important to have watchers?

A: Keep track of prophecies.

Q: (L) How do the Masons relate to the Illuminati?

A: Masons are low level branch.

Q: (L) I would like to know the approximate years of the life of Hermes Trismegistus.

A: 5211 approx. (Years ago or B.C.?)

Q: (V) What were the red and green balls of light E {her son} saw several months ago?

A: Grays probing.

Q: (V) Was he abducted at that time?

A: No.

Q: (V) Were the probes there because of him or because of me?

A: Him.

Q: (V) Has he ever been abducted?

A: Yes.

Q: (V) How old when first abducted?

A: Two.

Q: (VG) {My son’s} dream of being choked?

A: Past life memory disconnection.


2.16 October 28, 1994

Frank, Laura, V_____

Q: (L) Hello.

A: Hello.

Q: (L) Is someone with us?

A: As always.

Q: (L) Can we have your name please?

A: Gursaea.

Q: (L) Are you a discarnate human?

A: No.

Q: (L) What are you?

A: Cassiopaean.

Q: (L) There were two little boys stolen from their mother in South Carolina, we would like to know if we can obtain any information regarding this matter?

A: House in Union South Carolina in closet.

Q: (L) Can you give us any details about the house and how it could be found?

A: On street with lots of other houses white clapboard.

Q: (L) Any other details? Name of street?

A: Oak in name.

Q: (L) How close is this to where their parents are?

A: Close.

Q: (L) Where is the vehicle?

A: In woods West.

Q: (L) Are the little boys alright?

A: Will be found soon for comparison to ultimate results.

Q: (L) Why am I having these current headaches?

A: Changes DNA

Q: (L) A____ suggested an ozone generator to enhance the contact. Is this a good idea?

A: He means well. Have him supply it.

Q: (L) Is it alright for me to send the edited version of our transcripts to A__ B__?

A: B__ may share with questionable individuals.

Q: (L) Will that be detrimental to us?

A: What do you think?

Q: What was B__’s purpose in calling me today?

A: Curiosity generated by UFO grapevine gossip.

Q: (L) What was the gossip?

A: W__ and F__ inspired intrigue.

Q: (L) Do these two have more contact than we would think?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) W__ and F__?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) W__ hates F__, isn’t that correct?

A: Variable.

Q: (L) Should I not share information with J__?

A: All is learning process.

Q: (L) Are they all in a tizzy about what we are doing here?

A: Generally yes. T__ and J__ are OK.

Q: (L) So T__ and J__ are not saying anything to W__ or F__ about this?

A: Yes. But that’s not the point.

Q: (L) What is the point?

A: Motives are good omnipresently.

Q: (L) What do you mean by that? Are we talking just about J__ and T___?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Are B__’s motives good?

A: Variable.

Q: (L) Are J__’s motives good?

A: Same.

Q: (L) Would J__ ever do anything that would damage me or this work?

A: Search within self for answer.

Q: (L) Why should we take the Melatonin?

A: Is mild hallucinogen.

Q: (L) Why do we need this?

A: Keeps exercising psychic abilities and opens paths. Don’t be alarmed by vividly erotic dreams.

Q: (L) Should we expect to have vividly erotic dreams?

A: Possible as psyche passes through levels on ascension.

Q: (L) Is there a problem with the energy level tonight?

A: With board.

Q: (L) What is wrong with board.

A: Getting crumpled.

Q: (L) We need to get a new board?

A: Good idea.

Q: (L) If I get a piece of glass to put on the board and felt for the planchette will that do it?

A: Maybe.

Q: (L) Better to get a new board?

A: Open.

Q: (L) I wonder if there is a chance of getting the old Lizzies involved if we are not careful about who we tell?

A: Always chance of that.

Q: (L) We would like to have a rundown of certain UFO related individuals:

Q: (L) William Cooper?

A: Independent; good intentions; slightly overactive imagination; a little misled.

Q: (L) Bob Lazar supposedly worked on alien craft retro-engineering?

A: Did but sinister. Involved with questionable types.

Q: (L) His video about working at area 51 and descriptions of propulsion systems and alien craft was or was not truth?

A: Close to the truth. Craft tech: minor points were off.

Q: (L) What about Stanton Freidman?

A: Pure, good man.

Q: (L) William Moore who co-wrote the Roswell incident with Charles Berlitz?

A: Same as Friedman.

Q: (L) What about the incident where he admitted to disinformation?

A: Was coerced to say that by complex sources. That situation is very complex.

Q: (L) What about Jaime Shandera?

A: Misled by same as Moore. Has mixed intentions.

Q: (L) What about Don Ware?

A: Disinformation artist.

Q: (L) What about John Lear?

A: Good but overcareful.

Q: (L) What about Dr. Richard Boylan whose book I just read? This guy says he had an experience where he was abducted and overnight his attitude about aliens changed. Who was responsible for that abduction that changed his attitude?

A: The Grays changed Boylan’s attitude.

Q: (L) What was the motivation in doing so?

A: Get him to dispense selective info.

Q: (L) What is the intent of this selective information?

A: Confuse investigators.

Q: (L) Was his mind taken over when the Grays abducted him?

A: In a sense.

Q: (V) A Navy plane crashed on Tuesday, why did the plane crash?

A: Guidance system malfunction.

Q: (V) Why wasn’t the pilot able to eject?

A: It was her time to go.

Q: (V) So none of this had anything to do with Aliens?

A: No.

Q: (V) I listened to a woman named Janet Dailey who says that women who have abortions have a higher incidence of breast cancer but that spontaneous abortion or miscarriage do not cause the same reaction, is this true?

A: Yes. But women who have their first pregnancy later in life also have higher instances of breast cancer and same for those who never get pregnant.

Q: (V) Does abortion create karma resulting in breast cancer?

A: Hormonal anomalies cause breast cancer. Karma is interconnected with physical experiences.

Q: (L) Are you saying that having an abortion can create Karma?

A: Of course.

Q: (V) Is this research funded by pro-life activists?

A: Some.

Q: (L) I think that V__ wants to ask if she has Karma in this regard?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) She has not worked it out?

A: No.

Q: (L) Bill Baldwin says abortions lead to serious spiritual attachment situations. Is this true?

A: Semi-accurate.

Q: (L) Is there some way to release this kind of karma for V__ or others who have it?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Could you tell us?

A: If we tell you, you won’t learn.

Q: (L) Now, several people have told me that there is a small child who is with me constantly, who is she and why is she here?

A: Next in line.

Q: (L) Next in line for what?

A: Birth.

Q: (L) Am I going to have another child?

A: Maybe.

Q: (L) How many are there in line?

A: One.

Q: (L) Male or female?

A: Female.

Q: (L) Is this to happen within the next year?

A: Open.

Q: (L) I am 42 years old. If I were to get pregnant would I be able to have a normal pregnancy and produce a healthy infant?

A: Yes. Your consciousness will soon give you spectacularly sharp, exact and correct information.

Q: (L) Will this be due to ingesting the Melatonin?

A: Partly.

Q: (L) Is soon within a month?

A: You will know.

Q: (L) I get the feeling that this has a lot to do with trusting my own intuition.

A: Yes.

Q: (L) I had a very serious physical attack yesterday. What was the nature of that attack?

A: Gallbladder.

Q: (L) What should I do about it?

A: See ultrasound specialist.

Q: (L) Will Reiki heal it?

A: Open.

Q: (L) When V__ had her hands on my heart area and they were visually vibrating. Is that a sign of transmission of a great deal of energy?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And what part of the body was that energy going to?

A: Chest area.

Q: (L) V__’s hands are tingling right now. Is that Reiki energy happening right now?

A: Yes.

Q: (V) Is my Reiki energy going to Frank and Laura as we are doing this?

A: All ways. You have strong natural healing power.

Q: (V) So, it isn’t necessarily the Reiki initiation?

A: No. A__ is misguided.

Q: (L) If V__ had the correct initiation would this power her up so that she could do near miracles?

A: Precisely.

Q: (V) Does E__ also have this ability?

A: Some ability.

Q: (L) This evening E__ was acting up, what was going on with him?

A: Hormonal upsurge.

Q: (V) Is this due to interacting with females?

A: Close.

Q: (V) Female energy?

A: More physical.

Q: (V) Are they having a good time?

A: Fluctuating.

Q: (V) Is L__ o.k.?

A: Yes.

Q: (V) How much longer do I have to deal with this Hormone thing with E__?

A: 6 years.

Q: (L) Is patience the key?

A: Yes.

Q: (V) Can Reiki clear marijuana residue from the lungs?

A: Partly but what if there are continuous infusions?

Q: (L) Is there ever a case when ingestion of pot or alcohol are beneficial in a spiritual way?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) V__ used pot within past two weeks, why?

A: Search within.

Q: (L) Was it an outside influence?

A: All uncomfortable events are influenced either directly or indirectly.

Q: (L) Was this the passing of her uncle?

A: Search within.

Q: (L) Many years ago I was with a friend and we pulled off the road to let me drive. We both walked around the car and got in and I believe we sat there for a very long time. Was that because of the potency of what she had smoked or what?

A: You were abducted due to the open state produced by the drug.

Q: (L) What was in that stuff?

A: Strychnine.

Q: (L) Have I done great physical damage to my body through drugs?

A: Some.

Q: (L) Is it irreversible?

A: Not likely.

Q: (L) If I went on a fast would I be able to reverse the damage to my body?

A: Good chance.

Q: (L) Is that the same for Frank and V__?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Is it advisable to take colonics with the fasting?

A: Good idea.

Q: (L) Also to take vitamin supplements?

A: No.

Q: (V) Is the Godspark the portion of the Creator that lives within us, the soul, so to speak?

A: Sounds good.

Q: (L) If the godspark is the soul within us, does anybody have godsparks times 2 or 3 or so on? That is more than others?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) What type of person would have more Godspark than anybody else?

A: Jesus has Godsparks ad infinitum.

Q: (L) How does Jesus have Godsparks ad infinitum?

A: Soul replication for communication purposes.

Q: (L) So, every time we call upon Jesus, we are replenishing our Godspark?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Would you describe these soul replications as being more like a template or hologram?

A: Hologram.

Q: (L) And what is his connection to the Creator that enables him to do this soul replication?

A: Volunteered.

Q: (L) Rudolf Steiner called Chirst “The most sublime human principle ever to unfold on earth,” is this an accurate statement?

A: One interpretation.

Q: (L) He also said: “The Christ, who in the course of this evolution lived 3 years in the body of Jesus of Nazareth…” Is this a correct statement? Did the Christ statement enter Jesus at age 30?

A: Formed then.

Q: (L) How did this sublime being, the Christ, dwell in a human body?

A: Natural process caused by supremely pure faith and thought.

Q: (L) Yet previously you said that Jesus had sexual relations with women after he was Christed, is that correct?

A: No. Before.

Q: (L) So, after he was Christed he had no sexual relations?

A: Correct.

Q: (L) Did the Christ spirit descend into the body of Jesus in his 30th year?

A: No.

Q: (L) What happened?

A: Formed within him. And it could do thusly in anyone who reaches such levels of service to others plus faith and supreme levels of pure thought.

Q: (L) What was the source of the belief that Christ descended into hell during the course of his so-called death?

A: Superstitions created hundreds of years after his work.

Q: (L) When is the credit/debit card system going to be put into effect?

A: 4 to 11 years.

Q: (L) According to shamanistic teachings, one can have animal spirits or guides. Is this correct?

A: Partly. You have them if you believe you have them.

Q: (L) If believing in them makes it so, is this belief beneficial?

A: All belief is beneficial at some level.

Q: (L) Did Jesus of Nazareth believe in animal spirits or totems?

A: No.

Q: (L) Is it just New Age revival of superstition?

A: Shamanism is subjective and limits. Lizard inspired.

Q: (L) This book that is being promoted, M.A.P., what is the inspiration behind that book?

A: Not good.

Q: (L) Just for fun, If I had an animal spirit what would it be?

A: Peacock.

Q: (L) Frank?

A: Deer.

Q: (L) V__?

A: Cat.

Q: (L) Do the Cassiopaens have pets?

A: Not exactly.

Q: (L) What do you guys do for fun?

A: All is fun when perceived correctly.

Q: (L) Should I hook up to the computer internet to use as a source to propagate channeled messages?

A: Yes. Go for it.

Q: (L) Does Frank need Caffeine as he takes it.

A: Up to him.

Q: (L) Is this beneficial to him?

A: Believe it or not, yes.

Q: (L) Is it good for V__?

A: Yes. Adjusts your thinking and vice versa.

Q: (L) Is smoking detrimental to any of our bodies?

A: Not if mild. Not if mind is in right mode.

Q: (L) Does smoking enhance psychic abilities?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Is it true that the government program to stamp out smoking is inspired by the Lizzies?

A: Yes because they know it may heighten psychic abilities.

Q: (L) What is causing the lung cancer they are attributing to smoking?

A: Mental conditioning and subliminal programming to expect it.

Q: (L) So, it only happens if you are convinced that it can and must happen?

A: Correct.

Q: (L) Is there any particular brand of cigarettes to smoke?

A: No.

Q: (L) Should I accept a job offer?

A: Will take you away from this work somewhat.

Q: (L) Would it be better if I turn it down?

A: Your inner self communicates this to you.

Q: (L) Is my idea to form a hypnosis association and teach and get clients thereby a good concept?

A: Up to you.

Q: (L) I get the idea sometimes that when you say “Up to You” that it may not be the best idea, is this correct?

A: Sometimes but not the only motivation.

Q: (L) V__ is jittery.

A: Mind control, V__. Try exercise.

Q: (L) Breathing or physical?

A: Physical.

Q: (L) “Bringers of the Dawn” advised spinning, is this advisable for all of us?

A: Major yes.

Q: (L) How many times a day?

A: 3

Q: (L) How many times?

A: 33

Q: (L) Is it ok to do it in the pool?

A: Okay.

Q: (L) Is the altar beneficial to have in one’s house?

A: Okay.

Q: (L) Is that okay beneficial?

A: Be careful not to jump to conclusions.

Q: (L) What conclusions? That the altar is okay beneficial. Is it highly okay for us?

A: No.

Q: (L) Mediocre okay?

A: No. No. No.

Q: (L) What?

A: Laura has been hurt by jumping to Lizard inspired conclusions.

Q: (L) So the altar is useless?

A: No. Just be careful remember metaphysical church group.

Q: (L) Is it a matter of misguided alliances?

A: Has been frequent problem.

Q: (L) Should I dismantle the altar?

A: Altar is okay but other things are not okay like silly rituals.

Q: (L) Is V__’s altar okay?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Okay, during the period of time I was getting the hassle from the metaphysical church group, my pool was green. Was this symbolic of the attack I was under?

A: Yes but you left yourself open by association and buying too many concepts without careful examination.

Q: (L) Do you mean that, if, at that time, I had refused to acknowledge that any harm could come to me, that that would have made it impossible for any harm?

A: Close. But investigate before buying and practicing in future okay?

Q: (L) Investigate what? Ideas?

A: Yes. And concepts and especially practices

Q: (L) The ideas of candle burning, salt, sage, shamanistic rituals and so forth? Is all this useless?

A: Maybe.

Q: (L) Is sage not useful?

A: You are learning; remember when we say “good no ritual”?

Q: (L) In other words, your knowledge and your strength which comes from your knowledge and knowing is the point and the protection?

A: Precisely. This is extremely important.

Q: (L) Alexandra David Neel quoted a lama who said we must beware of the children of our own minds as well as the children of the minds of others, such as thought forms perhaps created by higher negative beings. If we do not acknowledge that such things exist, are we then subject to being devoured by them?

A: Ritual drains directly to Lizard beings.

Q: (L) Even our saying of the Lord’s prayer?

A: It is okay to pray. Why do you think organized religion is obsessed with rituals?

Q: (L) Is the same thing true of shamanistic practices and so forth?

A: Exactly.

Q: (L) What occurred to make my pool clear up?

A: You restored your own energy.

Q: (L) And it had nothing to do with rituals?

A: Correct. In spite of rituals but you were lucky could have gone the other way.

Q: (L) What prevented this from happening?

A: Divine intervention. [energy surge]

Q: (L) Well, my life seems to have been full of incidents of Divine intervention. Is this true?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) What is the purpose of this intervention?

A: To preserve and prepare you for work.

Q: (L) What is this work?

A: You are extremely valuable to all on your planet.

Q: (L) What particular value? Is this common to all people?

A: No.

Q: (L) Is this something meaningful? What is the mission?

A: Faith in your opening channel; you will learn as you go. We cannot tell you all at once.

Q: (L) Since the energy is high at this time, we would like to know if you have anything to give in the form of a teaching?

A: Not ready for that yet; establish clear channel and forum first; one step at a time.

Q: (L) What is the forum?

A: What do you think?

Q: (L) Do you mean that we need to bring more people into this work?

A: Close.

Q: (L) We need to create a forum.

A: Yes. A direction will open if you persevere.

Q: (L) So things will be brought to us and happen for us if we just persevere?

A: Soon expect big opportunity.

Q: (L) I assume that we are not to ask what it is, we are to have faith, is that correct?

A: Yes. Danger you may misinterpret opportunity.

Q: (L) Should we all three be able to realize in congruence whether the opportunity is good?

A: Varying degrees.

Q: (L) If there is a danger we may misinterpret the opportunity, could you give us a couple of clues so that when it occurs we won’t miss it?

A: At least one of you will have instant recognition but others may not. Wait and see.

Q: (L) This misinterpretation, does this mean we can count on this misinterpretation?

A: Open.

Q: (L) Are we an experiment?

A: Maybe.

Q: (L) How many others are receiving this level of information?

A: Less than 100 on entire planet. Less in this mode.

Q: (L) Are some of the others using other modes? What?

A: Many different ones.

Q: (L) Is channeling with three way energy as we are doing in a purer source of information than direct channeling through a single individual?

A: Equal.

Q: (L) Can any one of us do direct channelling?

A: All have equal potential.

Q: (L) Is A__ B__ attached in a major way?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Is he going to order the Bill Baldwin book?

A: Yes.


2.17 November 2, 1994

Frank, Laura and V___

Q: (L) Hello.

A: Hello.

Q: (L) What is your name please.

A: Fori.

Q: (L) Why was Frank in such a state last night?

A: Because his life is difficult.

Q: (L) What is making his life difficult?

A: Destiny.

Q: (L) Is it his destiny for his entire life to be difficult?

A: Open.

Q: (L) Is that choice up to him?

A: No.

Q: (L) Well then, why is it open?

A: Will dark or light forces win?

Q: (L) Win what?

A: Battle.

Q: (L) Battle where?

A: All.

Q: (L) Well, I thought you said that the forces of light were definitely going to win? Is that not correct?

A: Too simplified.

Q: (L) Is there anything Frank can do in this battle to assist getting over this problem?

A: Fight.

Q: (L) Why does V__’s friend T__ snipe at her the way she does?

A: Jealousy.

Q: (L) So should she just keep all this information to herself?

A: Up to her. All will be okay. We feel important matters need discussion from here forward please.

Q: (L) Could you define important matters for us?

A: Of importance to all.

Q: (L) Who or what group is responsible for crop circles?

A: Us. You bet.

Q: (L) What is the purpose of the crop circles?

A: Messages to world. All.

Q: (L) Do these crop circles mean an idea, an energy, a concept; how do they transmit messages?

A: Translate; it can be done.

Q: (L) This one here, what does it mean?

A: You.

Q: (L) Do you mean the human race?

A: Yes. Symbol for human race.

Q: (L) What does this one mean?

A: Planet.

Q: (L) What was the meaning of the circle my husband found in his driveway?

A: Mars.

Q: (L) What message did that convey?

A: Astrological.

Q: (L) Did it convey any message other than astrological?

A: What does Mars represent?

Q: (L) War… anger, energy, struggle, assertiveness, sex, life…

A: First four.

Q: (L) Now, what does this circle represent?

A: Interdimensionality.

Q: (L) This one here, what does it represent?

A: Atomic structure.

Q: (L) This squiggly one, what does it mean?

A: Struggle.

Q: (L) In what way?

A: Learning from change and adversity.

Q: (L) Well, that is all the pictures I have…

A: Need more soon.

Q: (L) In the Library?

A: Maybe. This is of the utmost importance.

Q: (L) Is this going to help with the “forum?”

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Who carved the stone heads on Easter Island?

A: Lemurian descendants.

Q: (L) The natives say the stones walked into position. Is this true?

A: No.

Q: (L) Well, how?

A: Tonal vibration.

Q: (L) And what did these stones represent?

A: Nephalim.

Q: (L) Is this what the Nephilim looked like?

A: Close.

Q: (L) Does that mean that the Nephilim were present in Lemuria?

A: Close.

Q: (L) Where was Lemuria located?

A: Pacific off South America.

Q: (L) So when the Easter Island natives talk about their ancestors they are talking about people who came from the direction of South America?

A: No. Right near all around. Easter Island is remnant of Lemuria.

Q: (L) What happened to Lemuria?

A: Submerged close to time you refer to as Fall of Eden, approximately.

Q: (L) Well if the Nephilim were brought here 9 to 12 thousand years ago…

A: Last visit. Have been here 5 times. Will return.

Q: (L) The Nephilim are going to return? Where do the Nephilim currently live?

A: Orion.

Q: (L) They live in the constellation Orion? Where is their planet?

A: Don’t have one. In transit.

Q: (L) The whole dadgum bunch is in transit?

A: Three vehicles.

Q: (L) How many Nephilim does each vehicle hold?

A: About 12 million.

Q: (L) Are they coming to help us?

A: No. Wave comet cluster all using same energy.

Q: (L) Using same energy to what?

A: Pass through space\time.

Q: (L) Does this mean that without this comet cluster they cannot pass through space/time?

A: No. Slower. message follows here. Quiet for one moment please: From now on when word to follow is in quotes we will designate as follows: mark then word then mark. Now, “slower.”

{We installed quote marks on the board after this. From this point on, when words in the Cassiopaean responses are in quotes, it is because they have so designated.}

Q: (L) So, it is slower for them to come here without this wave. Where is the wave coming from?

A: Follows cluster.

Q: (L) It follows the cluster. What does this wave consist of?

A: Realm border.

Q: (L) Does the realm border wave follow the comet cluster in a permanent way?

A: No.

Q: (L) Is the realm border loosely associated with the comet cluster each time it comes?

A: No. Realm border follows all encompassing energy reality change; realm border will follow this cluster passage and has others but not most.

Q: (L) Is this realm border a dimensional boundary?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Okay, this realm border, do dimensions…

A: Pulsating realms. Fluctuating realms.

Q: (L) Is our realm fluctuating or pulsating?

A: No.

Q: (L) But this other realm does?

A: No.

Q: (L) What fluctuates?

A: Residence.

Q: (L) Whatever is in that realm fluctuates?

A: No. Your planet fluctuates between realms.

Q: (L) How often does this fluctuation occur?

A: About every 309,000 years.

Q: (L) In other words we can expect to be in 4th density for about 300,000 years?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Does this mean that the Edenic state existed for about 300.000 years before the “Fall?”

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Now, you say these Nephilim are coming and there is about 36 million of them, correct?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And they are the enforcers of the Grays and Lizzies, is that correct?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Well, let’s sit back and watch the show! You are saying that the planet fluctuates…

A: No, realms do planet merely occupies realm.

Q: (L) What is the source in space/time of this other realm?

A: Too complex.

Q: (L) What is the generative source?

A: Part of grand cycle.

Q: (L) Is this the cycle understood by the Mayans?

A: They understood partially.

Q: (L) Their calendar extends to 2012… is that accurate as to the time of the realm border change?

A: Close. Still indefinite as you measure time. Lizzies hoping to rule you in 4th density. Closer to 18 years.

Q: (V) Is E__ {teenage son}home in bed?

A: Yes. and No.

Q: (V) He is at home but not in bed?

A: Yes.

Q: (V) Was he out earlier?

A: Yes.

Q: (V) Is this the same individual as before?

A: Yes. E__ going through many changes.

Q: (V) Is he asleep?

A: No.

Q: (V) Should I call him?

A: No.

Q: (L) Is the present arrangement better? [We had switched seats.]

A: No.

Q: (L) Better before?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) What was better?

A: You and Frank switch places.

Q: (L) Why?

A: Energy vortex.

Q: (L) If the Nephilim are coming 36 million strong as enforcers for the Lizzies, does the Confederation have a like amount for defense?

A: We don’t operate that way.

Q: (L) Are we just going to have to fight them off ourselves?

A: Think of The Wizard of Oz. It was inspired by us.

Q: (L) Does the witch represent the Lizzies?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) So, is there something we have or can do…

A: Glenda like us.

Q: (L) And who is the Wizard? Is that the Beast or the U.S. Govt?

A: Close. Illuminati.

Q: (L) Are the monkeys the Nephilim.

A: Close enough.

Q: (L) If water destroyed the witch, and the witch represents the Lizzies, can we destroy the Lizzies?

A: Knowledge.

Q: (L) But there are only a few on the planet who have the knowledge, am I correct?

A: What do you mean? Against all when all when time comes.

Q: (L) So the 36 million will be against all on the planet when the time comes?

A: Of course.

Q: (L) And those who have the knowledge and can dispense it to others …

A: Yes.

Q: (V) Have you inspired other movies we could watch?

A: We have but different meanings and subjects.

Q: (V) Is cocoon one of yours?

A: No. Hollywood.

Q: (L) Who were the original inhabitants of the city of Jericho?

A: Aramaic.

Q: (L) There was a stone tower at one of the lower levels, what was it built for?

A: Energy disbursement. Attempt to duplicate tower of Babel and Atlantean crystal towers.

Q: (L) Who carved the crystal skull found in Central America?

A: Mayans.

Q: (L) What was the purpose of that skull?

A: Study brain. Long message follows pause: Now: skull was to learn about soul; reflective remolecularization imaging. Grays do this with abductees.

Q: (L) Through what kind of instrument.

A: Energy focusing.

Q: (L) What is behind their eyes?

A: Camera like system.

Q: (L) Is that system also able to send signals?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) At what spectrum level?

A: Thought paralysis.

Q: (L) Do they implant thoughts with their eyes also?

A: Can.

Q: (L) What do they do with implants?

A: Monitor.

Q: (L) Do they monitor our thoughts?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Do they monitor what we see?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Hear and feel?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Do the implants just monitor?

A: And control.

Q: (L) Do all of us have implants?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Are we under the control of the Grays?

A: Attempt.

Q: (V) How many times have I been abducted?

A: 55

Q: (L) Laura

A: 12

A: A__: None.

Q: (L) J__: Yes.

Q: (L) Can I protect them from abduction?

A: Maybe. Tried A__.

Q: (L) What stopped it?

A: You.

Q: (V) When was I last abducted?

A: June.

Q: (V) Was that when I was perceiving being attacked…

A: Yes.

Q: (V) When I called on the hand of God did that help?

A: No.

Q: (L) Who carved friezes in French caves as well as the cave paintings?

A: People. Aryans. In caves because struggling to survive conflicts between many forces including Lizard being domination.

Q: (L) Why did the Egyptians draw sideways?

A: Atlantean method handed down. Simply artistic stylization.

Q: (L) What about the passages in the pyramid. Why so odd?

A: Used energy vortex for movement. Floated, levitated. Can still do this if you know how. In the pyramid the passages created the energy by their placement and relationship to other space/solid configurations. And passages sometimes changed their structure atomically and still do.

Q: (L) What is the purpose of the Sarcophagus in the “Kings” chamber?

A: Energy storage.

Q: (L) Was there ever anything in this object?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) What?

A: Many things.

Q: (L) So, there was nothing permanent in it, you could put various things in it for various reasons?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) In our machinery we generally have dials and tuners which can adjust the machine to do a specific job or deliver a particular amount or flow of energy. What was the equivalent of dials and tuning devices in the pyramid?

A: Thoughts.

Q: (L) Was it the thoughts of a person in there or of a specific individual whose job it was to do this “thinking?”

A: Both on occasion.

Q: (L) Could just anybody go into the pyramid, get into this sarcophagus, and have something done to them as they specified? Or, was it the culmination of some other long process?

A: All.

Q: (L) When you say that the passages changed atomically, did you mean that they might actually become larger or smaller?

A: Yes. And change position as well.

Q: (L) Is the theory of Petrie anywhere near correct?

A: In 1967 the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers did study. Look it up.

Q: (L) Was there ever at any point in time such a thing as a unicorn as is described in legends?

A: No.

Q: (L) What is source of this legend?

A: Atlantis beast was similar to unicorn. All died in cataclysm. Looked similar to horse and some had horn but not all.

Q: (L) What is the origin of the Sanskrit language?

A: Atlantis.

Q: (L) When the Aryans were brought here, were they brought to Atlantis?

A: No. The Aryans were different from the Atlanteans.

Q: (L) Is there any language in existence today that is descended from the Aryan language? Or, that has remained more similar in development from Indo-European?

A: Yes. All Germanic.

Q: (L) Is Celtic considered to be one of these?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) What was the origin of the Minoan civilization?

A: Atlantean descendants.

Q: (L) What was “bull leaping?”

A: A test, a sport, a religious rite.

Q: (L) When Thera blew, it seems to have destroyed all the Minoan cities except for Knossos.

A: Thera was result of close passage by Maldek. Knossos was not destroyed because structures were fundamentally stronger and blast wave was perpendicular. Underground shelters saved a few of the people.

Q: (L) Knossos lasted for about another 75 years after the events which destroyed most of the Minoan civilization. What were the events which brought about the final downfall of the Minoans?

A: Meteor borne parasites. Meteor destroyed city.

Q: (L) The Mycenaeans built a city with a 50 foot thick wall. Why was this wall built so if the only dangers were warriors armed with spears and arrows?

A: Protected against frequent cataclysmic events during that period. It worked. Much of wall is still standing.

Q: (L) Now, when you talk about the comet cluster, as you have on many occasions, the technical definition of a comet is that it is a chunk of ice. Is this the case with the comets in this cluster?

A: And other substances, primarily iridium cores.

Q: (L) Now you say there are 36 million Nephilim heading this way, are they 4th density beings?

A: No. They live in 4 d but are 3 d. They are as physical as you. Behave like gestapo. Gestapo was inspired by Nephilim through Lizard beings’ influence over Hitler. It was a practice run.

Q: (L) Are any of the Nephilim going to be friendly toward us?

A: No.

Q: (L) Now, you said that the Nephilim were seeded on a planet called D’Ankhiar as were human beings. When you said we were seeded there, what did you mean.

A: Was proper environment for molecularization.

Q: (L) Are you saying that the physical bodies on planet earth, the various types of mankind such as Neanderthal, Cro-Magnon, Australopithicus etc., were generated on that other planet and then brought here?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) I am assuming that if the Nephilim are 3 d that they die like we do. Is this correct?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) So, we can shoot them and they will die?

A: Correct. But wrong approach.

Q: (L) What is the right approach?

A: Knowledge protects.

Q: (L) Well, if a 15 foot tall guy comes at me and wants to knock me around, what is knowledge going to do to protect me?

A: You will be in 4th density.

Q: (L) So, before they get here we will be 4 d?

A: Crossing.

Q: (L) All three of us?

A: Yes, and many others.

Q: (L) So, we are not going to have to deal with the Nephilim?

A: Not correct.

Q: (L) Does this mean that there will be 3 and 4 d beings on the planet at the same time and that some will have to deal with these guys and some won’t?

A: But you will have to too.

Q: (L) I don’t understand. Are these Nephilim coming here to transition to 4 d also?

A: They already live there as 3 density beings. Demonstration: When you are abducted you are 3rd density but you are taken into 4th density.

Q: (V) In June I had a dream where I was taken up and there were light beings and I was also a light being; I was trying on different clothes. I was led into a room where I was told I could write there and when I was told it was time to leave, I had shoes on that had written on them “Earth Star”. Was this an abduction?

A: Yes.

Q: (V) Talk about illusions, I thought that was a good thing! Was this a bad thing?

A: Subjective.

Q: (V) Who were the abductors?

A: Grays.

Q: (V) When I woke up I felt so tall and so electric. I thought it had been the best thing… that was my abduction in June?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) We would like to know about this plane crash. Early report from a witness said that there were no bodies. Is that the case?

A: No.

Q: (L) Where are the bodies?

A: Scattered.

Q: (L) What caused the crash?

A: Just like USAir. Was Lizard attack. Will be covered up.

Q: (V) The night before the USAir crash several of us had headaches and woke up drained.

A: Precognition and soul transfer of energy.


2.18 November 4, 1994

Frank and Laura

Q: (L) Hello.

A: Hello. Rocks.

Q: (L) What about the rocks? {We had been discussing large crystals on a nearby table.}

A: Put in sunlight for two days.

Q: (L) And what will that do?

A: Energize.

Q: (L) Energized to do what?

A: Provide power to you.

Q: (L) And who do we have with us tonight?

A: Rolla.

Q: (L) Are you a discarnate?

A: No.

Q: (L) Where are you from?

A: Cassiopaea. Did you see the article about the newly discovered galaxy?

Q: (L) Yes I did and I was curious about that. Is there something about that that you would like to tell us?

A: Our energy transference line to you.

Q: (L) What is the energy transference line, this newly discovered galaxy?

A: In a sense.

Q: (L) Why was the information received about the little boys so unclear?

A: Need to interpret for practice.

Q: (L) Does this mean that all information we get has to be interpreted also?

A: Not as much. That was a particularly sensitive subject with many focusing at once.

Q: (L) Was there interference from the people focusing on it?

A: Close. Remember Allison is good but not when too many are focusing.

Q: (L) Who is Allison? (Frank) Dorothy?

A: Yes. Dorothy.

Q: (F) Yeah, the psychic who finds dead people. (L) Well, I don’t even know who she is. (F) She’s very famous. (L) Well, I must be living in a cave. I was reading today in “Bringers of the Dawn” about people who are keepers of frequency. Is this an accurate concept?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Are Frank and I keepers of frequency?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Are we nearly at the frequency we need to keep?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) H__ D__ gave me a reading a few month’s ago when she told me about two people in a partnership and she said no others should be brought in. Was this about S__ or Frank and me?

A: Interference caused reading to be askew.

Q: (L) Well, was she referring to this work with Frank and I or was she talking about S__?

A: Maybe.

Q: (L) In that reading she also said that I was going to meet somebody in the month of November who was going to become a very important part of my life in some way. Could you tell me a little bit about that?

A: Wait and see. Time to rattle the bushes again.

Q: (L) Which bushes?

A: Manner of speech.

Q: (L) Of all the different bushes I have rattled and people I have contacted, which ones in particular?

A: UFO people.

Q: (L) How can I do that?

A: Re-contact. Some doubt. Re-contact.

Q: (L) Re-contact some who doubt?

A: No. Re-contact some do doubt.

Q: (L) Which ones in particular?

A: Must just rattle without prejudice.

Q: (L) Does this mean sending out scripts from our sessions?

A: Good idea. Spark interest.

Q: (L) Well, that is what I have been planning to do.

A: It takes more than one spark of the flint to ignite the fire.

Q: (L) Should Frank get the Reiki initiation?

A: Okay.

Q: (L) Would it be good for him to get the Reiki initiation?

A: It is always.

Q: (L) Who are the Nordic type aliens?

A: Your ancestors.

Q: (L) What planet did they come from?

A: Several and transitory.

Q: (L) What is their type called? Just the Nordic types?

A: That is as good as any description.

Q: (L) What is their purpose here on the planet at this time?

A: Observation.

Q: (L) Haven’t they been seen with the Lizzies on occasion?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Are they involved with the Lizzies?

A: Some are.

Q: (L) Are some of them not nice?

A: Fifty-fifty.

Q: (L) Do they ever abduct people?

A: Have but not too often. When they do, they do not give back.

Q: (L) What do they do with the ones they abduct?

A: Take away to too many other places to mention. Purpose is multiple. Too complex.

Q: (L) I get the feeling that maybe it is not too complex, but that you just don’t want to answer, is this correct?

A: Open. Not at this moment.

Q: (L) What about the Villas-Boas case; who were these beings and what was the purpose for this interaction?

A: Aryan’s breeding experiment.

Q: (L) Where do these Aryans live?

A: In transit.

Q: (L) When they get to where they are going, where do they live?

A: They don’t. There are many who do not live specifically anywhere. They are perpetually in transit.

Q: (L) Why is this?

A: There is no need to be grounded; it is only your perception because that is your familiarity. A planet is a vehicle too.

Q: (L) Why were there 3 pyramids. Did they each have separate purposes?

A: Variance in energy levels and age. Did you research about the 1967 engineer’s study yet?

Q: (L) What book would that be in?

A: Look at Mystery volume. Now, please.

Q: (L) Why was Moses not allowed into the promised land?

A: Because he became tyrannical.

Q: (L) Were the Lizards the ones who led the Jews to the “Promised Land?”

A: No. Were not led; followed their own paths in effort to escape the effects of cataclysms.

Q: (L) Why have they got this big legend about being chosen and led to the promised land?

A: More brotherhood influence and nonsense.

Q: (L) What kind of weapons do the Nephilim use to do their “enforcing?”

A: Stun guns.

Q: (L) Do they actually use some kind of material weapon?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And could you tell us what the Lizzies look like?

A: Upright alligators with some humanoid features in face.

Q: (L) I heard one theory that the Lizzies originally evolved on planet earth, is this true?

A: No. Neither did you.

Q: (L) Do you mean us in the sense of the early human prototypes?

A: All prototypes.

Q: (L) When these prototypes were evolved on another planet, did they have souls at that time?

A: Were added.

Q: (L) What souls occupied those prototypes on that other planet?

A: Same.

Q: (L) So, the legend of the Fall of Lucifer as the origin of the souls incarnating into physical life was an event that actually took place on this other planet?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Do the Lizzies have more than one heart?

A: No.

Q: (L) Do they have more than one brain?

A: No.

Q: (L) This fellow, E__ P__, who claims that he was abducted, and taken by the aliens and altered in physical ways, was any of this true?

A: No.

Q: (L) Was he abducted, in fact?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) What was done to him?

A: Same routine as other abductees.

Q: (L) Does E__ P__ know that he is deceiving other people?

A: Yes. He is a fraud. Misguided by delusions.


2.19 November 6, 1994

Frank and Laura

Q: (L) Are you there?

A: Wait.

Q: (L) Are you there?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Who do we have with us tonight?

A: Vedeeba.

Q: (L) Are you a discarnate from earth?

A: No.

Q: (L) Who are You?

A: Cassiopaean.

Q: (L) Have you been listening in on our discussion?

A: As always.

Q: (L) In this particular discussion we have been talking about freeing up life energy which can be blocked by emotional traumas and so forth, and that, according to this book I read, you can tell the life energy is blocked by the way a person holds or moves their body. From this information I think that Frank’s life energy is blocked. Am I correct?

A: No.

Q: (L) Then why is Frank so ill at ease in his body?

A: Book not entirely incorrect but remember not to take anything entirely on face value.

Q: (L) Is there some part of that idea that would benefit Frank and help him to feel more at ease?

A: Frank is ill at ease because most others are ill at ease with him.

Q: (L) Well, who started out being ill at ease, him or others?

A: Others.

Q: (L) And why were they ill at ease with him?

A: Sensed differences.

Q: (L) If Frank were to do some bodywork and bring his energies into focus where his physical sensations are concerned, would this, in some way, help to overcome this particular difficulty or situation?

A: Won’t work.

Q: (L) Is there anything Frank can do to free up his energies and to become more at ease with himself?

A: He is more at ease now than before because he no longer listens to others’ criticisms.

Q: (L) Is Frank correct in saying that his body and mode is that of the future?

A: Closer. But not there yet.

Q: (L) There was a comment made in an earlier reading when we were told we needed to equalize our input in this project. I am curious as to the exact meaning of equalize the input? Does that refer to use of the board or what?

A: Many meanings. One must not dominate decision making. Be open all ideas and input. Once we have made financial arrangements that will be your cue to dedicate full time efforts to this endeavor.

Q: (L) Are you making financial arrangements for us to be taken care of?

A: Will.

Q: (L) When will this be?

A: Open.

Q: (L) Does it depend on our dedication and increasing of this channel strength etc.?

A: Just wait. Continue as you are.

Q: (L) Now, I was just reading in “Bringers of the Dawn” about male energy and female energy and it says: “We have said that the male vibration will transform in a very short period of time. We will not tell you why or how because some of you will consider it to be entirely too ominous, however, we will say that as the waves continue to come there will be a unilateral rising of consciousness within the population. At a certain point, when men are in the deepest point of mastering feeling, the feeling center will be activated. This will either occur gently or it will be blown wide open.” What will be “entirely too ominous?”

A: Energy redirection.

Q: (L) Energy direction is going to happen and that is what you are saying is the ominous thing here?

A: Overview.

Q: (L) Well, what does energy direction specifically mean? What kind of energy?

A: Sexual.

Q: (L) And this is going to be the ominous event that would frighten people?

A: Repercussions.

Q: (L) What are the repercussions?

A: Many.

Q: (L) Could you tell us some of them?

A: First you must figure out answer to number one.

Q: (L) Well, sexual energy “redirected”; does this mean women will stop having sex with men?

A: Not exactly.

Q: (L) Am I close?

A: Yes. Men will lose most of their drive in favor of more spiritual pursuits. It is the sex drive that is at the root of most of the historical aggression and lack of feeling on the part of the male.

Q: (L) Can we tell others?

A: Might cause turmoil but up to you.

Q: (L) I noticed that at about the same time I began meditating heavily that my drive plummeted. Is this because of the meditation?

A: Yes. Females will lose some drive too. But how will humans react to this, that is the question. Will they be prepared?

Q: (L) Does this mean that everybody is going to lose interest in sex?

A: Will have much less and must learn to relate to each other more spiritually.

Q: (L) Is this because one of the major drives of the human being is for contact and, up to now, this has been manifested through sexual union and without the sexual urge they will be forced to find other ways to relate?

A: One would hope so. You are all moving toward 4th level which is less physical thus you must learn this existence in order to pass through into the 4th level.

Q: (L) And those who do not learn will not pass, is that correct?

A: Yes. Some will be relieved. It depends upon how advanced one is.

Q: (L) I have drawn a sort of conclusion about some of the activities of the Lizzies and their abductions through the Grays and so forth, and it seems to me that these excessive numbers of exams, gynecological, reproductive or whatever exams might possibly be a screen for a process that is used to extract life force or energy from the human being, through the basal chakra, the sexual chakra, as I understand where the life force enters in. Is this idea correct or on track?

A: Close.

Q: (L) It does seem that the Grays and Lizzies are abnormally interested in sexual activities of human beings, is that correct?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Why are they so inordinately interested in this and why do they practice sex, sexual aberrations, or do they have a tremendous sex drive even though they are fourth density beings?

A: Too many questions; one at a time.

Q: (L) Do they have tremendous sex drives even though they are in fourth density?

A: No.

Q: (L) Are they interested in sexual energy simply because it is life force?

A: Partly and also desperately to stave off change in order to retain control.

Q: (L) What changes are they desperate to stave off?

A: To 4th level.

Q: (L) They are trying to stave off the 4th level change. Can they do that?

A: No. Also hoping to retain control even if change occurs.

Q: (L) By what means do they do this through these gynecological exams? Is there some technical activity they undertake?

A: Yes. Too complex.

Q: (L) Are these supposed memories people have from their abductions of these exams just screens of procedures used to take life force from them?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) When they sample an abductee’s tissue and take the little scoops or chunks out of them, what do they take these chunks of flesh for?

A: Cloning.

Q: (L) If they clone, why do they need such a large chunks?

A: You don’t know all details of cloning process yet.

Q: (L) Do they take twins, or one of a pair of twins, and raise one artificially?

A: Have done so.

Q: (L) Have they done this to a great extent?

A: Define.

Q: (L) Is this done frequently?

A: No.

Q: (L) What is the purpose of taking one of a pair of twins?

A: Study to determine which is best soul receptacle: one of twins or clone.

{This raises the question as to why the choice has to be either. Is there some connection between clones and the original body and one twin and another that is vital to the purpose of the Lizzies?}

Q: (L) Do these twins they raise, do they raise them on their ships or in their enclave wherever they are?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And do they treat them well?

A: Open.

Q: (L) Do they teach them a great deal?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Do they do this to test the brain capacity of the human being?

A: And other reasons.

Q: (L) Was I one of a pair of twins?

A: No.

Q: (L) For what purpose are they trying to decide which is the best receptacle, the clone or the twin? Receptacle for what?

A: Future project.

Q: (L) To do what?

A: Switch physical realities.

Q: (L) And who is going to switch physical realities? Are they going to enter into bodies they have prepared for themselves and force human souls to enter into their bodies?

A: No.

Q: (L) They are going to enter into the bodies themselves so that they can switch their reality?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) So, they are preparing a bunch of soulless bodies into which they can enter in themselves?

A: Will try.

Q: (L) You said the other night that the Lizzies were like upright alligators only with somewhat humanoid features to their faces, is that correct?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Do they have tails?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) How tall are they?

A: Six to eight feet tall.

Q: (L) Do they wear clothing?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) I know this is a silly question, but does their clothing have an opening for the tail?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Do they defecate?

A: No. They are 4th level.

Q: (L) So, when you are 4th level you neither eat nor defecate in the regular way?

A: Correct.

Q: (L) Do the Lizzies have the ability to change their shape or appearance?

A: Temporarily.

Q: (L) In the Karla Turner book, the son’s roommate encountered a female alien type, who was that?

A: One of us. But several individuals sharing form.

Q: (L) Karla Turner had a visit with several entities in her kitchen while she was cooking, who were they?

A: Others.

Q: (L) Others who?

A: Different group.

Q: (L) What different group?

A: Not necessary to know.

Q: (L) Were they “good” guys or “bad” guys?

A: Open. We only rarely appear as human.

Q: (L) The other night my daughter A__ thought she saw a spirit figure standing near as we were channeling, did she, in fact, see an old woman figure?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And who was that individual?

A: Us.

Q: (L) Why did that individual say “remember me?” Was that the entire message or was there more message?

A: Message is for A__ to interpret.

Q: (L) Why did A__ say that she had some questions as to whether that was a positive or negative source. She first felt that it was positive but then she had doubts. She wondered about being deceived. Can you help her with that?

A: All must search to learn.

Q: (L) The kids want me to ask about fairies. Are there such things?

A: There is such thing as all things in one reality or another.

Q: (L) A__ wants to know about dwarfs or midgets?

A: Karma.

Q: (L) They are not Lizzie experiments?

A: No. Predictions will arrive spontaneously when needed.

Q: (L) Do you have any predictions for us at this time?

A: Not at this juncture.

Q: (L) Is there anyone I should add to the list of people to send the transcript to?

A: Marciniak.

Q: (L) What is wrong with the A drive on my computer?

A: Hardware glitch.

Q: (L) Is it repairable?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) How much is it going to cost?

A: Open.

Q: (L) All the UFO sightings in Gulf Breeze, are these aliens or government experiments?

A: Some are and some are projections.

Q: (L) And who is responsible?

A: Multiple sources.

Q: (L) Positive or negative?

A: Both.

Q: (L) And the Gulf Breeze six, as they call them, the AWOL military personnel who were taken into custody and who were receiving messages on a ouija board, what information were they receiving and who was it from?

A: Some from us and some from others.

Q: (L) Was there something terribly frightening about this information that caused the government to confiscate these people and their transcripts?

{Last part of session lost due to tape malfunction.}

2.20 November 7, 1994

Frank and Laura

Q: (L) Hello who do we have with us tonight?

A: Goonian.

Q: (L) Are you a discarnate?

A: No.

Q: (L) Where are you from?

A: Cassiopaea.

Q: (L) Are you ready for our questions?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) I would like to know what is the origin and meaning of the Biblical story of the “mark of Cain”? Was it a physical mark?

A: Knot at top of spine.

Q: (L) Do you mean like a humpback?

A: No. Signified.

Q: (L) Was it a physical knot on top of the spine?

A: Is yours and all others. Feel your head.

Q: (L) The occipital ridge?

A: Close.

Q: (L) Well if I have it does it mean that I am a murderer?

A: No. More superstitions spread by brotherhood.

Q: (L) Well, what did the mark of Cain signify?

A: Jealousy.

Q: (L) Jealousy of whom?

A: All humans.

Q: (L) Was there a group of people who were set apart by this mark?

A: No. All it is is one of your shortcomings genetically engineered by the Lizards.

Q: (L) What was the “Ark of the Covenant?”

A: Power cell.

Q: (L) What was the origin of this power cell?

A: Lizards given to the Jews to use for manipulation of others.

Q: (L) Why was it that if you came close to this object or touched it you would die?

A: Energy overload; scrambling by reverse electromagnetism.

Q: (L) What is reverse electromagnetism?

A: Turned inward.

Q: (L) What effect does it produce?

A: Liquification of matter.

Q: (L) Well, that is pleasant. This “cell” was kept in an ornate box of some sort, is that correct?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Why was it only the priests who could handle it?

A: Only those who would not try to use for selfish reasons.

Q: (L) But then did just coming near it injure a person?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Well why were these individuals able to come near it?

A: Nonselfish energy field.

Q: (L) So it could tune into thought fields?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Why are UFOs frequently sighted over geological fault lines?

A: Electromagnetism. Use electrical free waves as fuel for power restoration.

Q: (L) Could it be that the UFOs are a manifestation of the geomagnetic energies emitted at fault lines?

A: No. Not all theories are correct and some are not even sincere.

Q: (L) What is the connection between UFOs and earthquakes?

A: Is none. Coincidence. If they are there, some fault breaks produce EM fields which are visible briefly as red or yellow light flashes.

Q: (L) How do UFOs affect the electrical systems of automobiles and so forth and why is this phenomenon also associated with hauntings?

A: Electromagnetic pulse. Can be manifestations of hauntings also.

Q: (L) Would this indicate that both phenomena are originating from the same source or utilizing the same power?

A: Laura, do you not know by now that all these phenomena are interdimensional?

Q: (L) Is there something about moving from one dimension to another that creates this electromagnetic pulse?

A: Yes. Kind of like breaking the sound barrier.

Q: (L) Okay, we talked about the fact that the brown eyed people are earth seeded for much longer than blue eyed people who were seeded on another planet, where did green eyed people come from?

A: Green and blue are the same in terms of origin.

Q: (L) Who was Seth, channeled by Jane Roberts?

A: Higher plane earth spirit.

Q: (L) Were the teachings in the Seth material accurate and was that a good source?

A: Yes but rapidly becoming obsolete as you move toward new reality.

Q: (L) What happens to people who commit suicide?

A: Varies according to circumstance.

Q: (L) In a general sense, is there some negative karma involved in committing suicide?

A: There can be negative karma involved with many things.

Q: (L) What about the death penalty?

A: Specify.

Q: (L) Is putting a criminal to death the equivalent of reducing society to the level of the criminal?

A: You are all put to death.

Q: (L) What do you mean?

A: In one way or another.

Q: (L) Well, is there any negative karma on society, the judge, the jury, the executioner, if a criminal is brought to trial, found guilty of a heinous crime and then put to death?

A: What about war? What is better? This is open because all are murderers and suicides. It is the supreme lesson you all must learn before you can graduate to ethereal existence. Your thinking is too simplified.

Q: (L) Is there ever a situation where execution helps relieve the criminal of some of his karma that may be caused by the commission of the crime for which he is being executed?

A: No.

Q: (L) Is it better to take a criminal, such as Dahmer, and have all of society support and take care of him?

A: These are all past issues. Will be resolved soon.

Q: (L) Are there any other physical creatures on planet earth which have souls?

A: All do.

Q: (L) Is the human soul different from, say, animal souls?

A: Of course.

Q: (L) Are there any other physical creatures on the earth which have souls like human souls? On the same level, so to speak?

A: No.

Q: (L) Well, I have heard that dolphins, porpoises and whales have very advanced souls. Is that true?

A: All souls are advanced.

Q: (L) But are whales sentient, thinking, self-aware as humans are?

A: Apples and oranges.

Q: (L) Well, since whales are so big, do they have bigger souls?

A: Irrelevant.

Q: (L) Is there some way to communicate with whales or dolphins and can one find a way to translate the differences and have a reasonable, intelligent exchange with a whale or a dolphin or even an elephant?

A: You don’t need conversation “with” when a higher telepathic level.

Q: (L) Dolphins and whales communicate telepathically?

A: Yes. So do dogs and cats and snakes etc. etc. only humans have learned the “superior” art of verbal communication.

Q: (L) But, at the same time, verbal communication can be quite limiting, is that correct?

A: That is the point.

Q: (L) So, you were being sarcastic with me, weren’t you?

A: Humorous.

Q: (L) Do whales form long-lasting bonds and feel love?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Do dogs feel love?

A: Dogs feel need as love.

Q: (L) Who would make a better governor, Bush or Chiles?

A: Either.

Q: (L) Which one is going to win?

A: Open.

Q: (L) Carlos Casteneda writes about the peyote beings called “Mescalitos.” This being supposedly is part of the peyote plant, a sort of being from the plant. Is this true?

A: No.

Q: (L) What beings does one encounter when one eats a bunch of peyote?

A: Hallucination.

Q: (L) Why are these hallucinations so consistent?

A: Because those that do have that expectation. If you ate enough peyote you would encounter Santa Claus if that was your expectation. (Much laughter)

Q: (L) What happens if you give someone LSD while they are dying? Does it help them die easier?

A: No.

Q: (L) Does it make dying more difficult?

A: No.

Q: (L) Is there any essential difference or effect of note?

A: No.

Q: (L) What is the “philosophers stone?”

A: Idea center.

Q: (L) How can this idea center be accessed?

A: Many ways: meditation is the best.

Q: (L) Is there any visual image of the philosopher’s stone that one could use to access it in meditation?

A: Yes. Diamond or prism.

Q: (L) Was there or is there such a thing as a literal, physical, philosopher’s stone that can transmute lead into gold?

A: No.

Q: (L) Was anybody ever able to transmute lead into gold by any means?

A: Everybody is able.

Q: (L) How?

A: You must discover this yourself.

Q: (L) Is this knowledge written down somewhere on the planet?

A: Yes, but it will be easier in 4th level.

Q: (L) Comte St.Germaine claimed to be able to transmute lead into gold. Was this true?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) He also claimed to have discovered the secret of eternal youth, was this true?

A: No.

Q: (L) Did he die like everybody else at the regular age?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Is Elizabeth Clare Prophet channelling St. Germaine?

A: No.

Q: (L) Who does she channel?

A: Imposter.

Q: (L) Who was Merlin?

A: English jolly fellow.

Q: (L) He wasn’t a great magician?

A: He was the Houdini of his time.

Q: (L) There was a very famous case of haunting called the Bell Witch case, can you tell us about it?

A: Inform, ask and we will access.

Q: (L) Is that why we have to ask every question in such detail?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) When we ask a question how does it enable you to access the information?

A: Puts in visual image.

Q: (L) Who or what was the Bell Witch?

A: Connected spirit. Karmic.

Q: (L) Was this spirit connected to Betsy Bell or her father?

A: Both.

Q: (L) Why did this spirit so brutalize her father until he died?

A: Revenge for previous life wrongs.

Q: (L) Is it true, as Dr. Nandor Fodor suggested, that this was an aspect of Betsy Bell’s own personality which attacked her father because he had been sexually molesting her?

A: No.

Q: (L) What is the cause of Alzheimer’s disease?

A: Genetic.

Q: (L) Is there anything that can be done to prevent it or lessen its effects?

A: Biogenetic engineering but will resolve anyway in the near future. And much other as well.

Q: (L) Do Ann Boleyn and Catherine Howard haunt the Tower of London and Hampton Court?

A: Spirit reflection.

Q: (L) Is a ghost or haunting just an image imprinted in space/time?

A: Sometimes.

Q: (L) Are there some cases where the actual spirit of the person hangs around causing phenomena?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Can they do this for untold centuries?

A: Yes because there is no time.

Q: (L) Is T.C. Lethbridge’s theory about dowsing correct?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Is it possible to dowse things in other dimensions by lengthening the string?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Is it possible by using this technique to dowse winning lottery numbers?

A: Difficult; intentions must be pure.

Q: (L) It is very difficult to have pure intentions about money, isn’t it?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) But if, theoretically, one did have pure intentions, would they be able to dowse numbers…

A: Tall order. Yes.

Q: (L) Are lottery numbers… fixed?

A: Everything is at some level. But choice is at what level will be experienced.

Q: (L) Recently I read an article about bursts of gamma rays in the upper atmosphere. What are these bursts of gamma rays?

A: Increasing energy with approach of wave.

Q: (L) So, these bursts of gamma rays are not effects of battling UFOs in other dimensions?

A: No.

Q: (L) Why are there so many crop circles in Britain?

A: Window. Why Stonehenge was built there.

Q: (L) What is the relationship between UFOs and clouds?

A: Can create clouds or appear as clouds but no other relationship.

Q: (L) What is ball lightning?

A: Electromagnetic spark. Pass from 4th to 3rd density.

Q: (L) Is the Ayurvedic system a superior system to others?

A: Free will.

Q: (L) What are the implications of the fact that the Lizzies worship the physical universe?

A: Self service.

Q: (L) What do they see in the physical universe that they feel is superior to the spiritual universe?

A: All who serve self yearn for physicality.

Q: (L) These bodies they are creating for themselves, are they creating some kind of super physical beings they can then move into and occupy which will have very advanced abilities that would enable them to serve self better, longer or more completely?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) There has been a lot of scuttlebutt about Walt Andrus, the head of MUFON. I would like to know what energies are behind him and what his motivations are?

A: He is okay. Paranoia is his chief problem.

Q: (L) What about L__ S__?

A: Muddled thoughts.

Q: (L) Jenny Randles?

A: Okay. She means well.

Q: (L) What are the copper scrolls discovered in Israel?

A: Essenes. The treasure described was real but no longer intact as described.

Q: (L) Who was or is Baal?

A: Lizard.

Q: (L) Beelzebub?

A: Same.

Q: (L) Were these actual names of individual Lizards?

A: No. Personifications.

Q: (L) What was the beast known as Leviathan?

A: Sea god. Same as Neptune.

Q: (L) I discovered the name Nibiru in a list of demonic names. What is the origin of this name?

A: Dark teacher.

Q: (L) What is the origin of the name Appolyon?

A: Light being?

Q: (L) Why is Appolyon called the “destroyer” in Revelation?

A: Backward for sake of deception. Bible corrupted.

Q: (L) You have often stated that the Bible is corrupted, I would like to know who, exactly, corrupted the Bible and when and how they did this?

A: Illuminati brotherhood for a thousand earth years.

Q: (L) Does this mean that up until a thousand years ago the Bible was fairly accurate?

A: No.

Q: (L) Is there any possibility that the Catholic church had anything to do with this corrupting influence?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Does the Catholic church have in its possession actual original texts of the Bible that have not been corrupted?

A: No.

Q: (L) Were there ever such texts in existence?

A: No.

Q: (L) Who wrote the book of Matthew?

A: Greek enforcers.

Q: (L) What are Greek enforcers?

A: Like your FBI.

Q: (L) Who wrote the book of Mark?

A: Same.

Q: (L) Luke and John?

A: Same?

Q: (L) Acts?

A: Same?

Q: (L) Are any books of the New Testament written by who they claim to be written by?

A: No. Remember this is 70% propaganda.

Q: (L) Is 30% then the truth or the actual teachings?

A: Close. Enough you must decipher from instinct through meditation.

Q: (L) Why did my son’s leg suddenly start giving him problems at about the age of three?

A: Reflection of past life. Leg was torn off at death. SAM missile shot by North Vietnamese Army. He was flying a jet. This was 1969. Name was George Raymond. Shot down over Phan Bien.

Q: (L) Is there anything that can be done to help him release this problem?

A: Will be difficult.

Q: (L) Is his past life very strong for him?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Is it stronger than in the other children?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Will hypnosis help him to release this?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) How old was he when he was shot down?

A: 25.

Q: (L) Was he married?

A: No.

Q: (L) Why did he pick me to be his mother?

A: Previous life connection.

Q: (L) In his previous life was he abducted by aliens?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) What country did he live in?

A: Which lifetime?

Q: (L) When he was shot down?


Q: (L) What about the lifetime when he was connected to me? When was that and what was the relationship?

A: 1600s brother.

Q: (L) Does his leg cause him pain?

A: All violent deaths reflect difficulties in next incarnation?

Q: (L) Is that why I have so many difficulties, because of a violent death?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) How did I die in my last life?

A: Head hit pavement.

Q: (L) How is that reflected in this life?

A: Non-specific pains in body. You have a lot of those because of the violent trauma.

Q: (L) Scars of the soul, so to speak?

A: Yes, exactly.

Q: (L) Does Frank have physical aches and pains because of violent trauma?

A: Mental in his case.

Q: (L) What brings it on?

A: Continuation of past life. Victimization by many. Left unresolved.

Q: (L) What could he have done to resolve that in that lifetime?

A: Fought back.

Q: (L) Is Frank telling the truth when he says he has no repressed anger?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) But how can he fight back if he has no anger to fuel the fighting?

A: Does not need to. Not the problem exactly. Different circumstances now. Needs to be patient and ride out the storm.

Q: (L) This situation will pass?

A: Open. Will pass if can withstand; didn’t last time.

Q: (L) If he doesn’t ride it out this time does this mean he has to come back into 3rd density and do it over?

A: Yes.


2.21 November 9, 1994

Frank and Laura

Q: (L) Hello.

A: Hello. Promia.

Q: (L) Is that your name?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And where are you from?

A: Cassiopaea.

Q: (L) Having you as communicants, does this protect us from the intrusion of earthbound spirits?

A: Earthbound spirits yes but others no.

Q: (L) What others do you mean?

A: Aliens.

Q: (L) So your presence protects us from earthbound spirits but other aliens can come through if they choose?

A: Not through while with this connection but around.

Q: (L) They are around?

A: Not now.

Q: (L) Have they been around on other occasions when we were communicating?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Have they ever, on any occasion, contaminated or corrupted our channel?

A: Tried but failed because you recognized it the one time.

Q: (L) When was the one time?

A: Several sessions ago.

Q: (L) Is that one of the sessions on tape? What was the name of the individual that came through that time?

A: Not named.

Q: (L) I was reading today about the theory that if you get the name of an entity you then have power over it. Is this true?

A: No. There is much foolishness to muddle through.

Q: (L) We want to thank you for your help, by the way, and the good and precise answers we get through this source.

A: You are welcome. More to come.

Q: (L) Well, I want people to be just awestruck with the accuracy of this information.

A: They will be.

Q: (L) I was reading an article about Cayce’s teachings on the root races. Is this idea as presented by him basically correct?

A: Close.

Q: (L) What is that phenomenon we commonly call a poltergeist?

A: Many causes.

Q: (L) Each situation is different?

A: No. The causes are multiple.

Q: (L) Could you list these?

A: No. There are many causes but some are the same as others. One cause is female pubescent children giving off life force aura burst.

Q: (L) What is this thing we call hypnosis?

A: The 2nd step to open consciousness union with level 5.

Q: (L) What’s the first step?

A: Dream state.

Q: (L) What’s the third step?

A: Trance.

Q: (L) What’s the fourth step?

A: Expiration of body functions.

Q: (L) You mean as in death, kicked the bucket?

A: Of body.

Q: (L) In many ancient ruins there are found certain symbols which interest me, specifically the coil or spiral which seems to be ubiquitous throughout the world. This is also very similar to one of the Reiki symbols. What is the origin and meaning of this symbol?

A: Energy collector translevel; stonehenge was one. Stonehenge is a coil. The missing stones form a coil arrangement. People have been “zapped” at stonehenge.

Q: (L) If I had a large place in my yard and I arranged plants and a walkway in a coil and then I walked that spiral, would it give me power?

A: Yes. Do it. If you do it you will actually see us when 3 levels are right. Move the pool.

Q: (L) Move my pool!

A: Which is more important? We did not say get rid of it.

Q: (L) What about the area next to the pool?

A: Up to you.

Q: (L) Do you know how hard it was to put that pool in?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Now, J__ and A__ B__ think the Ouija board should work without us putting our hands on it. Is that true. Would or could it work that way?

A: If it did it would not be us. Self serving forces do that only. Remember there is much foolishness. W__ and B__ are suspicious.

Q: (L) A__ B__ told me that M__ F__ said he caused John’s wreck. Did he?

A: No.

Q: (L) Why would he say he did?

A: Tales are easy to sew when the past is yours only to know.

Q: (L) A__ B__ also said he disintegrated a man with his mental powers. Is this true?

A: Rubbish.

Q: (L) Was he able to cause S__ S__’s tv to act up with his powers of mind?

A: Nonsense.

Q: (L) Does A__ have any powers?

A: The same as yours.

Q: (L) Do I have any powers?

A: Yes, but when was the last time you zapped someone’s tv?

Q: (L) Archaeologists repeatedly find grotesque little carvings of fat bellied, big breasted women and they call them mother goddesses. What were they?

A: They were children’s toys. More foolishness.

{Wrong, in my opinion.}

Q: (L) Who built the temple complex on the island of Malta?

A: Moors.

Q: (L) When?

A: 800 a.d.

{Clearly wrong, in my opinion.}

Q: (L) Is the Sufi path a good one to study?

A: Up to you.

Q: (L) I know that but I want to know if it is valid or better than another?

A: We don’t want to judge that for you.

Q: (L) What percentage of truth is in that path.

A: In one sense all teachings are truths.

Q: (L) Can’t you just tell me?

A: Subjective. Would you like us judge Reiki?

Q: (L) Well, yes before I spend any money on it. Will I waste my money?

A: Not if you go to right source. Now we have led you to answer we want you to continue to exercise your mind. That is how you progress.

Q: (L) So you want me to study Sufi for the exercise?

A: Yes. If we answered all your questions you would not learn.

Q: (L) In this book I am reading it talks about knowledge that is only given to the elect and that certain things are passed down through secret organizations. Most people think this organization is the Illuminati and that they hold many deep, dark secrets. Is that true?

A: Close. But now there is a knowledge explosion. The Illuminati is no longer exclusive; but they still think they are.

Q: (L) Compared to the big high mucky mucks in the Illuminati, what percentage of their knowledge do Frank and I possess?

A: 2 per cent.

Q: (L) You mean they know 98 per cent more than we do? That’s depressing! How much knowledge, relative to the Illuminati, does the average college graduate have?

A: 0.02 per cent.

Q: (L) Is there any one person who holds a major chunk of knowledge on this planet?

A: By this time next year you will have 35 per cent as much.

Q: (L) That means I have to work hard!

A: No. It will flow into you. Stop listening to those that block.

Q: (L) Who in my life is blocking me now?

A: Can’t say. You must find this out.

Q: (L) Is it myself?

A: Only through others.

Q: (L) D__ M__ called today about an antique bracelet she put in the keeping of a jewelry dealer who was supposed to have it repaired for her…

A: Woman sold it to a dealer in Atlanta. D__ must confront her and she will break. Sold for 11,000 dollars.

Q: (L) What did my dog Dannyboy die from?

A: Heart condition.

Q: (L) Is there another Dannyboy puppy out there for me?

A: Maybe.

Q: (L) Why have I been so depressed today?

A: Too much interaction with negative energy coming from others.

Q: (L) Is Babaji living in Tibet?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) How old is Babaji?

A: 190

Q: (L) In the book of Revelation it describes a being with copper skin and white hair. Is this a real Nephilim from the planet Nibiru? Who is that being?

A: Nephalim descendant but not from Neburru.

Q: (L) This was a giant?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Is there a planet Nebiru?

A: No.

Q: (L) What does Nibiru mean in the Sumerian language?

A: Slave owner.

Q: (L) Back about a year or so ago we got an individual who claimed to be Keith. Was this, in fact, Keith Laumer?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) How does he feel about being dead?

A: Okay.

Q: (L) Was it like he expected?

A: Better.

Q: (L) Was it his influence that caused me to continuously play opera?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Was he around me for a period of time after he died?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Has he gone into the light now?

A: Yes.


2.22 November 12, 1994

Frank and Laura

Q: (L) Hello.

A: Cassiopaea calling.

Q: (L) What does that mean?

A: We are beginning to tune into your humor.

Q: (L) What do you mean.

A: “Cassiopaea calling.”

Q: (L) I get it!

Q: (L) What are the dogs barking at?

A: Someone in alley.

Q: (L) What are they doing in the alley?

A: Passing.

Q: (L) Do you have any specific messages for us?

Q: (L) On a number of occasions we talked about the quorum and the Illuminati. They both seem to be the highest levels of secret organizations. What is their relationship to each other?

A: Please put new music on; this a little disruptive. {Creation Chant}

Q: (L) How is this? {Celtic harp}

A: Better.

Q: (L) You don’t like the Native American stuff?

A: It is okay but disruptive to vibrations.

Q: (L) Back to the quorum and illuminati.

A: Quorum mostly alien; illuminati mostly human.

Q: (L) Well, the quorum has been described…

A: Meet; two halves of whole.

Q: (L) Well the quorum seems to be described as being in touch with the Cassiopaeans, that is, yourselves, which you have described as beneficial beings, is this correct?

A: Close.

Q: (L) The illuminati has been described as being behind or with the brotherhood which has been described as being in connection with the Lizard beings…

A: Close. But not that simple.

Q: (L) Well, if the quorum is the good guys and the illuminati is the bad guys, and they both are at the high levels of Freemasonry, what is the story here?

A: Picture a circle or cycle first now then contemplate for a moment before follow up.

Q: (L) Okay, I am contemplating a cycling circle.

A: Now, two halves representing positive and negative. Two halves.

Q: (L) Well, what I am getting out of that is the two halves and both sides are playing with the human race. Is that it?

A: No. This is complicated but if you can learn and understand, it will be a super revelation.

Q: (L) Well, go ahead and explain.

A: Ask step by step.

Q: (L) Why do we so often have to ask things step by step?

A: In order to absorb the information.

Q: (L) The quorum is described as the good guys. The illuminati is described as bad guys. And yet, they are both Masonic. When a person in the Masonic organization reaches the higher levels, are there individuals at the higher levels recruiting masons to one side or the other?

A: First, not exactly one side or another.

Q: (L) I am beginning to not understand something here because if the Lizzies…

A: Unblock.

Q: (L) I don’t have a block here. If the brotherhood AKA illuminati AKA Lizzies AKA beast are the ones who are going to do detrimental things to this planet, how are they related or connected to the quorum which is in touch with…

A: This will take time to explain be patient it will be worth it.

Q: (L) Well, are you going to explain it right now?

A: Ask step by step.

Q: (L) Okay. What is the nature of evil?

A: Blend.

Q: (L) Are the Lizzies what we would consider to be evil?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Are the Cassiopaeans what we would consider to be good?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Yet, do the Cassiopaeans use and manipulate the Lizzies to accomplish certain things?

A: No.

Q: (L) The Lizzies work independently and in opposition to the Cassiopaeans?

A: Independently, not in opposition.

Q: (L) Well then, is there somebody over and above this whole project…

A: We serve others therefore there is no opposition. Careful now. Step by step. If you do not fully understand answer ask another.

Q: (L) Part of a whole. Part of a circle.

A: Blend.

Q: (L) Does this mean…

A: Picture a blending colored circle image.

Q: (L) Are you saying that at some levels the two halves overlap?

A: Close.

Q: (L) Are you saying that some of the Quorum are good guys and bad guys and the same for the Illuminati because the two are on opposing sides of the circle but at the point of blending one is weighted more to one side and the other to the other side? And these organizations are where the interactions come together?

A: Closer.

Q: (L) Let’s leave it for the time being.

A: No. Now please.

Q: (L) Okay. So it is a blending. Does it have something to do with … in your case service to others means that you even serve those who serve self, is that correct?

A: Yes; we serve you and the Lizards have programed your race to self service remember.

Q: (L) Well, I am down a notch or two. So, I am still a service to self individual to some extent, is that correct?

A: But moving slowly toward service to others. Not all humans are.

Q: (L) Does this mean that when people who are members of the quorum or illuminati call for information or help, that you, because of your service to others orientation are obliged to answer whoever calls?

A: Yes and no.

Q: (L) What is the no part.

A: If vibrational frequencies are out of pattern we do not connect.

Q: (L) Is the work of the Lizzies part of an overall grand plan or design?

A: All is.

Q: (L) Let’s go on. I am depressed because you guys told me I was a bad person.

A: You are not a bad person.

Q: (L) Well, I am feeling pretty crummy right now.

A: Lizzies induced.

Q: (L) You mean my crummy feelings are Lizzie induced?

A: As always.

Q: (L) Well I am feeling crummy because you guys let me know that I am in the same sinking boat as the rest of the poor slobs on this miserable planet. I was working pretty hard to get out of the boat.

A: Silliness; you’re in your own boat.

Q: (L) I would like to know where Dr. Usui got the Reiki symbols?

A: Must answer question.

Q: (L) What question? The quorum and illuminati question?

A: You will feel ecstasy once answered.

Q: (L) Okay. A blending. Yet two halves.

A: Of a circle.

Q: (L) Who designed this circle?

A: Natural frequency wave. Some near conjunction blend both service patterns and each “camp” to create perfect balance.

Q: (L) Okay, so the Illuminati are the higher level on the pathway of service to self and somehow, by reaching these higher levels may have come to realizations or frequencies which have caused their position to be modified or blended to where service to self becomes or incorporates or moves them to service to others realizations, is this correct?

A: Continue.

Q: (L) Okay, the ones in the quorum are those who are focused on service to others and they, in their pathway of service to others begin to understand that some service to self is service to others.

A: Close.

Q: (L) And the whole idea is to blend both pathways no matter which direction you come to it from?

A: Service to others provides the perfect balance of those two realities; service to self is the diametrical opposite closing the grand cycle in perfect balance.

Q: (L) So it is necessary to have a pathway of service to self in order for the pathway of service to others to exist?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And those who are in the quorum and the illuminati …

A: Blends in middle.

Q: (L) So it is necessary to have the darkness in order to have the light…

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And it is necessary to have the Lizzies in order to have the Cassiopaeans…

A: Close.

Q: (L) And both groups evolved through the Masonic organizations..

A: Freemasonry is human reflection in physical of these processes.

Q: (L) Okay, thank you very much. I think that is all for tonight.

A: Good Night.


2.23 November 16, 1994

Frank and Laura

Q: (L) Hello.

A: Hello. How are you?

Q: (L) Well I guess we are fine this evening. Who do we have with us?

A: Roligea.

Q: (L) And where are you from?

A: Cassiopaea.

Q: (L) I have been reading recently about the shrine at Lourdes where the Virgin Mary supposedly appeared to Bernadette Soubirous…

A: Energy focusing center.

Q: (L) What kind of energy is focused there?

A: Positive due to consistent prayer patternings.

Q: (L) Okay, what appeared to Bernadette?

A: Imaging energy consciousness wave.

Q: (L) Was this image out of her own mind?

A: Close.

Q: (L) The healings that take place…

A: Because of the concentration of positive energy.

Q: (L) What or who has been causing the apparitions of the Virgin Mary at Conyers, Georgia?

A: Deceptive field.

Q: (L) What energy is behind this?

A: Lizards.

Q: (L) Why?

A: Confusion campaign part of bigger picture and plan.

Q: (L) What is the bigger picture and plan?

A: Conquest.

Q: (L) How will that aid their conquest?

A: By dispersing knowledge.

Q: (L) Dispersing as in breaking apart or scattering?

A: Spreading thin. Confusion does this. You are being bombarded with confusion in this era.

Q: (L) A__ had a dream where she saw some symbols and would like to know what the symbols represented in her dream.

A: One by one.

Q: (L) The first one:

A: Battle.

Q: (L) The second one?

A: Life force.

Q: (L) The third?

A: Spiritual union with higher planes.

Q: (L) The fourth?

A: Destruction.

Q: (L) The fifth one?

A: Fear.

Q: (L) What is the entire message?

A: Up to her to learn; remember if we tell you certain things you will not gain adequate protection for the time ahead.

Q: (L) I dreamed last night about a puppy belonging to my sister in law. As I was walking away in the dream, I turned back and saw a car run over the dog. It was quite graphic and I awoke very upset. What was the cause or purpose of this dream?

A: This one was not particularly pertinent.

Q: (L) Was it just a dream?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Now, relating to what we have been discussing lately. Did any groups of the black race, on their own, ever create a high civilization as has been reported by several archaeologists or other individuals.

A: Yes.

Q: (L) On their own without assistance?

A: No.

Q: (L) Who did they have assistance from?

A: Lizards.

Q: (L) Why have black people, in general, for most of recorded history, been living in such primitive conditions with such primitive mind set?

A: Isolation from modern interaction.

Q: (L) Why is this?

A: Karma. Punishment for past society which was cruel master hierarchical.

Q: (L) Are black people being abducted by the Lizzies as frequently as white people?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Why do we hear so little, if any, about this?

A: You hear little of black culture in general.

Q: (L) Are black people, within their cultural confines, aware of aliens and alien abductions?

A: Less aware and discuss it less.

Q: (L) We are aware that we are being manipulated by the media. We would like to know what types of methods do they use and what is their objective?

A: More precise.

Q: (L) What kind of technical means do they use to project mental manipulation by way of TV or movies?

A: Simple bombardment visual and verbal.

Q: (L) Do they use subliminal implantation of ideas?

A: Not needed most often.

Q: (L) The music that kids listen to, is there any effort to program them in this media?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Do they use subliminals?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Do they use electronic signals?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Do they use electronic signals on television programming?

A: Have but not that often.

Q: (L) Is there any signal being sent over the test of the emergency broadcast signal?

A: No.

Q: (L) If the Lizzies have been feeding off of us frequently and are planning to come and take over our planet, why, when they achieved their domination 300,000 years ago, did they not just move here and take up residence and be in charge?

A: No desire to inhabit same realm.

Q: (L) Why was this?

A: You are 3rd level they are 4th level.

Q: (L) Why are they planning to now?

A: They want to rule you in 4th density.

Q: (L) If the mother planet that the human race was seeded on originally, is burned up, or turned into a cinder, I would like to know how it burned up?

A: Star expanded.

Q: (L) Well, if the star expanded, it must have expanded recently, is that correct?

A: Time does not measure that way in that realm.

Q: (L) What realm is that?

A: Time/space warp.

Q: (L) What do you mean by a time/space warp?

A: Too complicated but you already have some understanding of concept.

Q: (L) So, the star expanded and the mother planet was turned into a cinder. If this was the case, it means that it must have turned into a cinder very close to the point, using time loosely, when human beings were created?

A: You can’t even use it loosely.

Q: (L) Would you help me out here. I’m trying to figure out why, if that planet was turned into a cinder, why were human beings seeded there… what was the point in being brought into being on a planet that was very shortly to become a cinder… a crispy critter…

A: Okay. Now: “Shocker” For you. It hasn’t become a cinder yet.

Q: (L) Okay. What is it. You told us it was a cinder… burned up… what is the real story here?

A: It will be at the same “time” that you go to 4th density. The human race is currently being formed on D’Ahnkiar.

Q: (L) What do you mean that the human race is currently being formed on that planet? Is that because that planet is this planet?

A: No. That closes realm grand cycle.

Q: (L) Are you saying that there are human beings being created on that planet at this current time…

A: Yes, you are. Your race is forming there.

Q: (L) How?

A: Realm crossing understand?

Q: (L) Are you saying that there are 4th density bodies being formed there…

A: No. 3rd.

Q: (L) There are 3rd density bodies… are we going to leave the bodies we are in and go into other bodies?

A: You are drifting… Think carefully. Realm is derivative of reality. Cycle.

Q: (L) So the human race is being formed on this other planet at the present time…

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And at the time of the realm border crossing, this other planet will then become cindered… burned up…

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Where will the human beings go that are being formed on that planet at the time of the realm border crossing?

A: Ancient earth.

Q: (L) They will go to ancient earth?

A: There is no time as you know it; its all just lessons for the collective consciousness.

Q: (L) So at the closing of this grand cycle everything will just start all over again?

A: Not exactly; you see, there is no start.

Q: (L) Are a lot of souls on the earth going to recycle into these new bodies coming onto the earth?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) As ancient mankind?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And do the whole thing all over again?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) So, in other words, a lot of people are going back to square one?

A: Close.

Q: (L) Is this punishment.

A: No. Nature.

Q: (L) Are some of the souls, at that point, going to move into a higher density level?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Could you give us a percentage on this?

A: No. Open at this point.

Q: (L) Now, getting back to the planet, if at some point in the cycle, bodies were generated on this planet and brought to earth, who brought them?

A: Realm crossing.

Q: (L) It was not a who, it was a what, is that correct?

A: All is who and what.

Q: (L) Well, the other night you mentioned something about the Transient Passengers hauling these bodies off that planet and bringing them to earth, is that correct?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Well, are these Transient Passengers Realms?

A: Yes. So are you.

Q: (L) Do you guys know what you are doing to the linear mind here?

A: Can of worms.

Q: (L) You said something the other night when we lost the tape about the expansion of the star being conducive to creation. Could you give us a little bit on that aspect?

A: Transdimensional Atomic remolecularization.

Q: (L) What is Remolecularization.

A: Being reassembled.

Q: (L) Reassembled from what to what?

A: Complex. Density collision.

Q: (L) Collision of one density with another. Which?

A: Learn 4 level assembly.

Q: (L) How?

A: Study.

Q: (L) Does this mean that this was a point in space time when pure energy could form around a framework of a thought pattern and thus become solid matter?

A: Close.

Q: (L) Is this transitioning of energy from higher densities into third density or solid matter kind of a traumatic event for universal energy?

A: Subjective.

Q: (L) Is it a form of death?

A: Death and birth are the same.

Q: (L) Was it a requirement to be on a planet with a dying star for this remolecularization to take place?

A: If 3rd density remolecularization.

Q: (L) So, for energy to go into 3rd density physical level… is energy moving down when it comes into 3rd level?

A: No. Upward.

Q: (L) What moves upward?

A: Molecules, atomic matter. Light is first density and unifies all densities.

Q: (L) Does that mean that by us moving from 3rd density into 4th density that we are getting farther away from unification with the source?

A: No. Light and darkness unify all densities.

Q: (L) How many levels of density are there?

A: 7

Q: (L) When you reach the seventh level, how would you describe that if 1st level is light?

A: 7th is core of existence.

Q: (L) Well, if seventh density is the core of existence, would that mean that 1st density is the outer edge of existence?

A: Base.

Q: (L) When one has reached 7th density, then what does one do?

A: When one reaches 7th all do.

Q: (L) Are there any beings on 7th level?

A: Time does not exist.

Q: (L) When light is transferred to electrical energy, does it actually change density?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Is it from 1st to 3rd when it becomes electricity?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Once again, are there any beings on 7th level?

A: Big bang.

Q: (L) Big bang is at 7th level?

A: Close enough.

Q: (L) So, when we all reach 7th level we will all blow up? We will all become one and it will all start all over again?

A: Close.

Q: (L) Well, that’s not a pleasant thought!

A: Why? There is no time, you dwell there eternally. 7th is the light you see at death of the body.

Q: (L) So, when you die and leave the body, do you go to seventh level?

A: See it.

Q: (L) Well, I have a book over on the shelf called “Messages from Michael”… this entity says that souls are being continually flung off from some sort of soul generator somewhere in the universe… what was this source?

A: Entity at 3rd incarnate.

Q: (L) Was this information valid in absolute terms?

A: No. Souls are already created.

Q: (L) You mean from the first instant of time (excuse the term)?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Well, it all seems pretty amorphous.

A: Amorphous is perceptive.

Q: (L) I want to ask what is the source of the pain L__, J__ and I have been experiencing identically for the past week or so?

A: DNA changes.

Q: (L) And what is the source of these DNA changes?

A: Moving to 4th density.

Q: (L) How soon are we going to make it?

A: Open.

Q: (L) In referring to the Nephilim you used the term “forced insemination”. How does this differ from “artificial insemination?”

A: No difference.

Q: (L) At the time of the tower of Babel it says that the Nephilim looked on the daughters of men and took wives as if there were some friendly interaction of some sort… does this mean they broke ranks and had feelings for their human “wives”?

A: No. Another deception of history. Picturesque way of describing genetic experiments.

Q: (L) Why did the sphinx look like a feline human?

A: Symbolism of feline energy.

Q: (L) Was this why the Egyptians worshipped cats or held cats in such high regard?

A: At root of this.

Q: (L) What was the origin of this feline god?

A: Atlantean tradition.

Q: (L) Where did the Atlantean tradition of the feline god originate?

A: Superstition.

Q: (L) What was the superstition about?

A: Not important.

Q: (L) Well, it is possibly important because such an enormous monument was built to honor this god and I am sure the world would like to know what is at the root of this.

A: What is at root of Statue of Liberty?

Q: (L) A principle. So, a feline principle is at the root of the sphinx?

A: Close.

Q: (L) It does not represent any alien beings, gods or goddesses?

A: No.

Q: (L) And what was this god’s name?

A: Endurra.

Q: (L) Why did the worship of this god or goddess stop?

A: Fizzled out.

Q: (L) You said that the Lizzies lived among humans for a thousand years. When, in our illusion of time, did this occur?

A: During peak of Atlantis.

Q: (L) And how long was the Atlantean civilization in existence?

A: 70,000 years

Q: (L) Was mankind living on the earth as a sentient being during the time of the large dinosaurs?

A: Yes and no.

Q: (L) What does that mean?

A: Transitory time warp.

Q: (L) Was there ever a time when there was a physical human race that contained within a single body both sexes?

A: No,.

Q: (L) Was the physical human race always two sexes, that is, male and female?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Did Atlantis go down as a series of destructions?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) How many cataclysms?

A: Three.

Q: (L) Were these cataclysms all caused by the same source?

A: No.

Q: (L) And you said that the “flood of Noah” was the story of the final deluge and destruction of Atlantis?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And that was caused by what?

A: Venus.

Q: (L) I thought you said it was caused by Martek?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Well, how can it be caused by Venus if it was caused by Martek?

A: Venus also “caused” Martek.

Q: (L) You said that the earth, up to that time, was surrounded by a water vapor canopy, correct?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And when Mars came by it overloaded the earth’s atmosphere and it fell as a deluge, correct?

A: Close.

Q: (L) When did Venus enter the solar system?

A: 80000 years approximately.

Q: (L) How many close passes to the earth did Venus make?

A: Seven.

Q: (L) Was Venus involved with the planet Kantek which you said exploded due to psychic energies generated by its inhabitants?

A: No.

Q: (L) When L__ took the Melatonin the other night, how come he was unable to sleep?

A: Adjusting to the melatonin.

Q: (L) Is everything going to work out for Frank in a positive way?

A: Eventually if he can withstand the rough period.

Q: (L) Is it true that once we have gotten through rough periods and established faith and patience, we don’t have to do it anymore?

A: Open.

Q: (L) How long is it seen that mother will be staying with this lady in Largo?

A: 4 to 6 months longer.

Q: (L) Why has A__ B__ not called me back about crop circles?

A: UFO grapevine gossip.

Q: (L) Saying what?

A: Your source is not valid.

Q: (L) Who started that grapevine rumor?

A: Two people.

Q: (L) Who are they?

A: F__ and W__. Ego again.

Q: (L) Well guys, let me ask you: did you start this communication because you wanted this information given out to the world in a general way? Or just simply because we were driven to have answers?

A: Yes. Both.

Q: (L) If we are going to get this information out, it should just happen…

A: Yes, but resistance and interference too. Persevere.

Q: (L) Well, with all this resistance and this grapevine it is real discouraging.

A: Not right people.

Q: (L) Well, can you tell me about a few of the right people?

A: Not problem. Just press those you have.

Q: (L) Okay, thank you and good night.

A: Good Night.


2.24 November 19, 1994

Frank, Laura, V__, Terry and Jan

Q: (L) Hello.

A: Hello. Please no rituals. They constrict energy flow.

Q: (L) Who do we have with us this evening?

A: Xora

Q: (L) Are you a discarnate?

A: No.

Q: (L) Where are you from?

A: Cassiopaea.

Q: (V) I met a young man named J__ this evening who claims to be a psychic vampire. Do you know of the person I am speaking of. The conversation I am speaking of?

A: No.

Q: (V) What I want to know is has he mislabeled himself?

A: Yes.

Q: (V) Is he under demonic possession?

A: No.

Q: (V) Is he playing games with me?

A: No.

Q: (V) What’s his problem?

A: Delusional.

Q: (V) He wants to, more to the point of questioning, he wants to speak with me more. I figure it’s for one of two reasons, one is he wants to take my energy, or two because he is calling out for help, is he wanting to take my energy?

A: In a sense.

Q: (V) Does he want my help as in counseling?

A: No.

Q: (L) Does he want to waste her time?

A: Open.

Q: (V) So he’s not attached? I find that hard to believe. Is he attached?

A: Most likely.

Q: (L) Terry wants to ask why he has such deep rooted anger?

A: Victim of much circumstances related to this life.

Q: (L) Is it karmic?

A: It always is.

Q: (L) Can you give us a clue about how to deal with this and relieve it?

A: It’s already in progress.

Q: (L) Is there anything to speed the process?

A: Not necessary.

Q: (T) Is there something I can do about it or will it relieve itself in its own course?

A: You are already on right path.

Q: (T) Have I been abducted?

A: Childhood.

Q: (L) Has he been abducted since he was grown?

A: Maybe in level 3.

Q: (L) What is level 3?

A: Type of abduction.

Q: (L) How many levels and types of abductions are there?

A: Six

Q: (L) What is level 3?

A: Consciousness altered to “alpha” state.

Q: (T) Does this mean screen memories?

A: Close.

Q: (T) In other words I will be seeing something other than what is actually happening? Or remembering something other than what actually happened?

A: Yes but not physical as in childhood.

Q: (V) Has he been to the caves? Have the Grays taken him to the caves?

A: This is strange question.

Q: (L) How many times has he been physically abducted?

A: 27.

Q: (L) How many times have they interfered with his consciousness by inducing an alpha state?

A: 196.

Q: (T) Is this when I am asleep that they induce this alpha state?

A: Sometimes.

Q: (V) Has it ever happened when he’s in front of his computer?

A: At work.

Q: (T) At work for Honeywell?

A: Inside large white building.

Q: (L) Where is the large white building? (T) That’s the Honeywell complex. (F) Are they all white? (T) They’re all white. (V) Is the Honeywell corporation agents of the Lizzies?

A: No. US government.

Q: (T) Yes they are. They are a government contractor. Has it happened since I worked at my new job?

A: No.

Q: (T) Is it because I am no longer working for a government facility?

A: Partly.

Q: (T) What would the other part be?

A: You have recently had consciousness raising experience.

Q: (L) And this consciousness raising experience has made it more difficult for them to play with his head?.

A: Yes.

Q: (T) What was the consciousness raising experience?

A: Soul searching period.

Q: (V) Have you been doing a lot of soul searching? (T) I’ve been saying that I have been at 100% depression for six or seven weeks now. (L) What is causing Terry’s depression?

A: Change of DNA.

Q: (T) What brought about the change in DNA?

A: Moving toward 4th level of density reality.

Q: (L) Why does this always seem to cause pain, suffering or depression?

A: All level 1 changes do.

Q: (L) What are level 1 changes?

A: We use “level” designation to denote significance.

Q: (L) Is level 1 most significant?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) As the numbers go higher does the significance get lessened?

A: Close.

Q: (L) What is causing the pain in Jan’s right shoulder since several of us have been having this exact same symptom?

A: DNA changes.

Q: (L) Can Reiki be used to help alleviate the discomfort?

A: Not necessary or recommended.

Q: (L) Do we just have to suffer through this one?

A: Each “suffering” will be closely followed by dramatic life changes.

Q: (V) Is there any reason why I have not experienced this discomfort?

A: You will.

Q: (T) Will I continue to be abducted now that I have had this change of consciousness?

A: Open.

Q: (T) Are the same beings doing all the abductions or are there different groups?

A: Two groups.

Q: (T) What is one group?

A: Grays.

Q: (T) What is the other group?

A: Lizards.

Q: (T) Is the woman Marissa Tower channeling the Lizzies?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) Are these Lizzies she is channeling intentions beneficial toward Human beings?

A: No.

Q: (T) Was I in some kind of danger by ticking her off?

A: Not at this point.

Q: (T) Is there anything further you would like to say about this woman channelling the Lizzies?

A: Further interactions with Lizards are not encouraged. Be careful of some in “MUFON”.

Q: (T) Is it true that the government is using MUFON as their grass roots information gathering organization?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) I received information during a dream. Was the information real or was it just a dream?

A: Corrupted.

Q: (T) By who or what?

A: Conflicting energies.

Q: (L) What are the sources of these energies, are these within Terry himself or outside him?

A: Both.

Q: (T) Can the information that was sent through be retrieved?

A: Will be repeated. Have you noticed your repeating dream patterns?

Q: (T) I have not been remembering most of my dreams.

A: Try melatonin; avoid any antidepressants. Some have suggested.

Q: (L) Is pot considered an antidepressant?

A: No.

Q: (T) Is the information of the dream important not only to me but to everybody?

A: All is.

Q: (T) Are different people receiving different pieces of information or are some people receiving as much as they can handle and then it moves to another person to receive more of the information in varying amounts?

A: Too many questions.

Q: (T) Is this information being given out in pieces to different people to be put together?

A: Close.

Q: (T) The information I have would not then be whole unto itself?

A: Network. Use computer net. There are others communicating and piecing together in this way.

Q: (T) How do I retrieve the information?

A: Ask.

Q: (L) Start taking the melatonin?

A: No. On computer network.

Q: (T) Ask on the computer network how to retrieve the information?

A: No. Others ask.

Q: (L) Ask if others are having dreams of a similar nature?

A: Open dialogue.

Q: (T) I received a dream one night, I saw what was presented to me, I would describe it as a holographic or virtual reality computer screen. It was a glowing outline of a screen and information scrolled past. The information was in different colors. There were a lot of different documents. The long documents I believe were some kind of technical references. It was just a black void; I wasn’t even there; it was just there in front of me like I was watching a screen. There were red documents, very short, that I took to be some kind of statement, they scared me. I don’t remember what they were. There were green documents, there were yellow documents. The outline of the screen changed the color of the documents as they scrolled through. There was a lot of them. I know I read all of them but I don’t know what any of them said.

A: Hypnotize Terry.

Q: (L) In that hypnosis with my son, was that an abduction in a previous lifetime?

A: End of life information session. Read “Majestic”.

Q: (L) When a person dies and leaves the body, are the beings who take charge of the soul and direct the end-of-life review and the next life plan, are these beings similar to what we call aliens?

A: Sometimes. But on individual basis and level 5 density.

Q: (L) So, are you saying that any “aliens” that would be assisting with this type of thing would be of the level 5 density? Or, that the individual would be of the 5th level?

A: Alien is based on one’s perspective.

Q: (L) But, does this mean that the “being” is the level 5 density person?

A: Yes. Reflective of experience vibration.

Q: (L) Why is the planchette moving so slowly tonight?

A: V____’s attention is diverted.

Q: (L) Diverted to what?

A: Writing.

Q: (T) One last question and I will be gone for now. Who sent me the information in the dream?

A: You don’t have to “go”. Complex.

Q: (T) Was the information sent by the good guys or the bad guys?

A: Different concept.

Q: (T) What race of beings? Did it come from a specific race?

A: Not exactly.

Q: (L) Can you give us just a few words on this?

A: Okay, Laura. Cosmic retrieval system.

Q: (L) What does the cosmic retrieval system retrieve?

A: Remember computer was inspired by cosmic forces and reflects universal intelligence system of retrieval of reality.

Q: (T) This is a computer network, yes or no?

A: Strange thought pattern.

Q: (T) What you have described, on a very large scale, sophisticated…

A: Grand scale, close.

Q: (T) Can I access it through our earthly computer system?

A: In a sense, but not directly as of yet. But just wait. [Break]

Q: (L) Okay, we are back guys. Have you been listening to us?

A: We are always with you now.

Q: (L) With all of us?

A: We have added Jan and Terry. Will add more as needed.

Q: (J) Is there a specific pattern to the phone calls that I have been getting in the mornings?

A: No.

Q: (J) Is there any outside agent causing my phone to ring to help me to wake up when I need to?

A: No. Just coincidence.

Q: (J) Is there any significance to the high number of hang-ups I have been getting on both our phone lines?

A: Three calls were monitors because of MUFON involvement.

Q: (L) Are Terry and Jan’s phones tapped?

A: Phone “taps” are no longer necessary.

Q: (L) Why?

A: Technology advancements.

Q: (L) You mean they can listen to us without tapping our phones?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Can they listen to us over the phones even when the phones are hung up?

A: Can.

Q: (T) Can they listen to us through the t.v. through the infra-red frequency?

A: Again, technology has advanced beyond that. Walls have “ears.” Satellites can monitor any conversation or meeting.

Q: (J) Is this conversation being monitored at this point in time?

A: No.

Q: (T) Can our movements be tracked through the electronic ignition systems in our cars?

A: Not necessary. You are not yet aware of the extent to which humans have been “aided” in technological advancement.

Q: (T) By whom?

A: This requires long and complicated response.

Q: (T) The object behind using the electronic ignitions, from what I have heard, whether the source is true or not I can’t say, but I had a strange confirmation of part of it.

A: Beware of disinformation. It diverts your attention away from reality thus leaving you open to capture and conquest and even possible destruction.

Q: (L) Is the information about the electronic ignition systems correct?

A: Disinformation comes from seemingly reliable sources. It is extremely important for you to not gather false knowledge as it is more damaging than no knowledge at all. Remember knowledge protects, ignorance endangers. The information you speak of, Terry, was given to you deliberately because you and Jan and others have been targeted due to your intense interest in level of density 4 through 7 subject matter. You have already been documented as a “threat.”

Q: (L) Can you tell Terry what event occurred (referring to “confirmation” of electronic ignition subject)…

A: Remember, disinformation is very effective when delivered by highly trained sources because hypnotic and transdimensional techniques are used thereby causing electronic anomalies to follow suggestion causing perceived confirmation to occur.

Q: (T) Who was the guy in the Camaro?

A: Diversion.

Q: (T) About two weeks after I saw the video tape where I heard this information, a guy pulled up out of nowhere driving a souped up Camaro… (Jan: No! It was the night we were watching it!) We had watched it before and we were talking about it and decided to watch it again. So, Gary and I had decided to go outside to take the dog around the block and we had just gotten back and put the dog on the porch and we were standing outside smoking a cigarette when the guy in the Camaro pulls into the driveway with steam coming out from under the hood. He asked to use the hose. I told him yes. He gets out wearing jeans, tee shirt and scraggly blond hair. He says: “I overheated. I’m coming back from Gulfport and was going back to Ocala and was on the interstate when his car overheated. Now, 275 is a little ways from my house and he came all the way, passed a gas station and convenience store, turned off the main drag and then onto my street to get water… then he started talking about how the new electronic ignitions are designed to shut down when the car exceeds a certain speed so he had installed a special racing ignition but ever since his car had been overheating… we had just finished watching this movie about electronic ignitions and we were flabbergasted… What I want to know is who has the power and ability to set up these kinds of”confirmations” or synchronicities?

A: Same forces spreading disinformation: Brotherhood/ consortium/ Illuminati/ New World Order/ “Antichrist”/ Lizards.

Q: (T) But I’m just a nobody. Why would they go to all troouble to send somebody in a Camaro to drive up on my lawn…

A: Several answers follow: Number One, Nobody is a “nobody.” Number two, it is no trouble at all for aforementioned forces to give seemingly individualized attention to anybody. Number three, Terry has been targeted and so has Jan and others because you are on the right track. Number four, This area is currently a “hot bed” of activity and extremely rapidly expanding awareness. [Talk about the Philadelphia Experiment during break]

Q: (L) I suppose you have been listening to us talk. What do you have to comment about the Philadelphia experiment?

A: We are always listening. (Laura makes error in calling out letters.) More coffee, Laura. [Terry takes V____’s place at the board for a time.]

Q: (L) Are you, in a sense, part of the cosmic computer network retrieval system?

A: All are in one way or another.

Q: (L) Did the Philadelphia experiment, as described by Terry’s scoutmaster, occur in the way it was described?

A: That description was not of Philadelphia experiment.

Q: (L) Was that the ship that was part of the Philadelphia experiment?

A: One of three.

Q: (L) Were the effects that ship experienced a result of the Philadelphia experiment as we understand it?

A: Reality molecular residual.

Q: (L) Did the Philadelphia Experiment, as we have read about it, occur in the way it was described?

A: Close.

Q: (L) Was Al Bielek part of the experiment?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Was the information he has given out about this factual?

A: Close.

Q: (L) Is the information he gives about being aged regressed in the body and his brother coming into a new body accurate?

A: No.

Q: (T) Is his brother, Duncan, really who he claims to be?

A: No.

Q: (L) Is Al Bielek really who he claims to be?

A: No. Was technician but not aboard vessel.

Q: (L) So he did not go back and forth in time?

A: Correct.

Q: (T) So he’s trying to make himself out to be more than he actually is?

A: Yes.

Q: (J) He is a wannabe?

A: No. He is an agent of the government.

Q: (T) Is Preston also a government agent?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) Why are they coming out with this story? Besides disinformation…

A: Slow revelation to effect gauge of public response.

Q: (L) Should V____ stand behind Terry and put her hands on his shoulders for energy?

A: Not necessary because Terry has adequate energy of his own. George Bush was involved with Philadelphia experiment.

Q: (T) He was Navy, World War II. (L) I would like to know what happened to Ambrose Bierce?

A: Dead. Spontaneous combustion.

Q: (L) What happened to Marcia Moore who was working on drug enhanced outer space contact via altered consciousness?

A: Permanent abduction victim by Lizards.

Q: (L) Why?

A: Too close to truth.

Q: (L) Well, are we close to the truth too?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Will we be permanently abducted by the Lizards?

A: Knowledge protects.

Q: (L) But didn’t she have a lot of knowledge too?

A: Scrambled with drugs.

Q: (L) I would like to know what is the specific mode of time travel?

A: Complex.

Q: (L) Well, just give us a clue here?

A: Transdimensional transfer utilizing electromagnetic adjustment of atomic structure to alter speed of time cycle convergence.

Q: (L) Who or what are the individuals called “Men in Black”?

A: Lizard projections.

Q: (T) Does that mean that they are just projecting an image of a being?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) The MIBS are not real, then, in our physical terms?

A: Partly correct. You do not understand technology but we will describe it if you like.

Q: (L) We like. Please describe this.

A: Okay. Get ready. First we must explain further time “travel” because the two concepts are closely related. The first step is to artificially induce an electromagnetic field. This opens the door between dimensions of reality. Next, thoughts must be channelled by participant in order to access reality bonding channel. They must then focus the energy to the proper dimensional bridge. The electrons must be arranged in correct frequency wave. Then the triage must be sent through realm “curtain” in order to balance perceptions at all density levels.

Q: (L) Information in the event that has to be balanced or taken into consideration as to importance so that the program runs correctly. Is this the correct interpretation of triage as you have used it?

A: Sort of. Triage is as follows: 1. Matter, 2. Energy, 3. Perception of reality. That is it folks.

Q: (L) Who abducted Betty Andreasson.

A: Grays.

Q: (L) Was the information that Betty Andreasson was given by these beings who abducted her, screen information or false information of information for disinformation?

A: All of the above and some factual.

Q: (L) In the Ann Haywood case which is supposed to be a case of demonic possession or obsession, who or what are the beings that are afflicting this woman and her family?

A: 3rd density section “B” energy anomalies same as “poltergeist.”

Q: (L) The case that is described in the book “The Haunted”, about the Smurl family, with quite a bit of phenomena occurring in their house including the sighting of a big- foot type. Creature, what is the source of the phenomena in that case?

A: Same.

Q: (L) So, neither of those cases are “alien” related?

A: Correct.

Q: (L) Why are there such marked similarities between those two cases and the case described by Karla Turner and other alien abductions?

A: Similarities are open to interpretation. Turner household was opened to multiple types of phenomena due to interaction with Grays and others.

Q: (L) Does that occur frequently in interactions with Grays?

A: When there is excessive activity of this sort it leaves open channels or “windows” which allows all sorts of things to come through.

Q: (L) Well, who are these old hags who have sex with people…?

A: Poltergeistal entities.

Q: (L) What is a poltergeist entity?

A: Self explanatory.

Q: (L) Is the poltergeist entity generated by the subconscious energy of the individual to which the poltergeist effect occurs or takes place?

A: Interaction just like everything else between perceived and perceiver.

Q: (L) And what is, in this case, being perceived? Is it an energy construct or is it an actual being?

A: Both. Remember, Laura, you too are an energy construct.

Q: (L) Okay, in S__’s regression to the time she experienced a meeting on a ship, there was a woman very similar to the woman described in these other cases. Who or what was that woman and why was she there?

A: This “woman” is becoming quite popular isn’t she?

Q: (L) Who, the woman in the hypnosis or S__?

A: The “Hag.”

Q: (L) Why is she becoming so popular? (J) She must be good!

A: We don’t know.

Q: (L) When my daughter A__ did a spirit viewing of me she saw a cord attached to me and at the end of this cord there was a blue astronaut. What was the blue astronaut she saw?

A: Guide.

Q: (L) Well, we disconnected him. Should we have left him alone?

A: Up to you.

Q: (L) Who were the beautiful Nordic beings seen by George Adamski?

A: Figment of George Adamski’s highly evolved imagination.

Q: (L) Several times I have heard reference to big flying rectangular boxes. I would like to know who these belong to?

A: Lizard projections.

Q: (L) Why do they have so many different types of craft?

A: Not all are theirs.

Q: (L) Now, we went to the recommended person to take the Reiki initiation, do we now, at this point in time, have the true Reiki initiation?

A: Getting there. Must allow energy to solidify. Do you understand the concept of imprinting?

Q: (L) Yes.

A: Then you know.

Q: (L) Practicing Reiki is the thing that will solidify the force?

A: Partly.

Q: (L) Are there symbols for Reiki that are even older and stronger than the ones we have been given?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Are the original symbols in Sanskrit?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Where are we going to find them?

A: You are not.

Q: (L) And the Reiki Symbols we learned from S__ are the closest we can get?

A: Yes. Good enough.

Q: (L) When one receives the Reiki initiation does it reverse the flow of intake and output, positive or negative polarity of the energy flow in the hands?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Does the left hand then become the output hand?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Is the right hand then the intaking hand?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Is the Sui Ching attunement S__ gives more powerful than anything we could have received from any other person?

A: Yes. Have faith.

Q: (L) The spiritual exercises she teaches, are those beneficial for us both to practice?

A: They are okay.

Q: (L) Is that so-so or really good?

A: Remember some things must be learned by your own path.

Q: (L) What or who are the South American aliens I have read about who are described as being gray with thick lips, rudimentary features, gray uniforms, and are called by the South Americans “Malos”?

A: Lizard projections.

Q: (L) Were these also the clay-like beings seen by Betty Andreasson only she saw them wearing blue suits?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Where was Betty Andreasson taken to when she saw the Phoenix in her abduction?

A: Another dimension of reality.

Q: (L) Is Betty Andreasson correct in believing that her experiences are positive and are bringing her closer to God?

A: No.

Q: (L) Is Betty Andreasson deluded?

A: No. She is a victim.

Q: (L) What happened to the Australian pilot Frankerick Valentich?

A: He was taken by the Lizards and dissected.

Q: (V) It just gets uglier and uglier! (L) Okay, I want to ask about this purple energy plate. Is this something that would be worth spending money on?

A: No. Is bogus. Pretty color though.

Q: (L) How long should I wait to get the master initiation?

A: Up to you.

Q: (L) S__ likes for her students to wait six months. Is it necessary or beneficial for me to wait that long since I have been doing Reiki for so long?

A: Up to you.

Q: (V) We would like to know why we have all been under such attack lately?

A: Because you are now connected to a valid source.

Q: (L) Is Bob Oeschler a government plant?

A: Semi.

Q: (L) Was the Carp, Ontario UFO landing a real UFO landing?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Who was involved in that?

A: Grays.

Q: (L) Anyone else?

A: No, but government wants to use it as in “opportunity knocks.” UFO per se was not staged. Guardian story was.

Q: (L) Was the UFO actually flown by aliens?

A: Yes. Government has miles of UFO footage in its possession. May use at its discretion.

Q: (T) What does it mean that the Guardian story was staged. How? Is the video tape real?

A: Used tape to concoct story around.

Q: (T) Did the individual calling himself Guardian actually film that?

A: No.

Q: (T) Who filmed it?

A: Military.

Q: (T) How did they know to be there in the middle of Ontario Canada to film that landing?

A: Landing took place near where regiment of NATO reservists were training.

Q: (T) Did it take place where they said it did?

A: Near.

Q: (T) Was the woman in the farmhouse part of the plot?

A: Saw UFO. Was part of “flap”.

Q: (T) Was the UFO experience that the woman in the farmhouse had, was that the same event on the Guardian tape?

A: No. But similar.

Q: (T) So we have a woman who saw a UFO landing, had one that they had on tape, and when she came forward to talk about her sighting, they decided to use the footage to corroborate her story, is that correct?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) Did the woman know about the NATO maneuvers?

A: No.

Q: (T) Were the NATO maneuvers near where she was?

A: Yes. All major military exercises are plagued by UFOs.

Q: (T) Is the government planning to stage an invasion by aliens to cause the populace of the world to go into such a fear state that they will accept total control and domination?

A: Open. But if so, will “flop”.

Q: (T) Why?

A: Many reasons: 1. Visual effects will be inadequate and will have “glitches”. 2. Real invasion may take place first. 3. Other events may intercede.

Q: (T) Such as what?

A: Earth changes.

Q: (T) Am I correct in assuming that some of these hot-shot, big-wig guys in the government who have plans for taking over the whole world and making everything all happy and hunky-dory with them in charge, are just simply not in synch with the fact that there are some definite earth changes on the agenda? Are they missing something here?

A: Close. They are aware but in denial.

Q: (T) Are these earth changes going to occur prior to the arrival of the cometary cluster?

A: No. But “time” frame is, as of yet, undetermined.

Q: (T) Am I correct in saying that if they knew what was really going to happen that they would still continue with their stupid little plans to make money and try to control the world?

A: Yes. Greed is a sickness.

Q: (T) Is there such a thing as “alternative three” the plan to take all the brains off the planet?

A: No.

Q: (T) Is that more disinformation?

A: Yes. So is Mars landing but not Mars monuments.

Q: (TL) Who made the monuments on Mars?

A: Atlanteans.

Q: (T) So, the Atlanteans had inter-planetary ability?

A: Yes. With ease. Atlantean technology makes yours look like the Neanderthal era.

Q: (T) Who created the structures on the moon that Richard Hoagland has discovered?

A: Atlanteans.

Q: (T) What did they use these structures for?

A: Energy transfer points for crystalline power/symbolism as in monuments or statuary.

Q: (T) What statuary are you referring to?

A: Example is face.

Q: (T) What power did these crystals gather?

A: Sun.

Q: (T) Was it necessary for them to have power gathering stations on Mars and the Moon. Did this increase their power?

A: Not necessary but it is not necessary for you to have a million dollars either. Get the correlation? Atlanteans were power hungry the way your society is money hungry.

Q: (T) Was the accumulation of this power what brought about their downfall?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) Did they lose control of this power?

A: It overpowered them the same way your computers will overpower you.

Q: (V) Is it similar to them gaining a life and intelligence of their own?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) You mean these crystalline structures came to life, so to speak?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And then what did they do?

A: Destroyed Atlantis.

Q: (L) But I thought that Atlantis was destroyed because of the close passage of another body of the solar system?

A: Was damaged but recovered.

Q: (L) So Atlantis was damaged by a close passage of Mars or whatever and then recovered from that damage, is that correct?

A: Part of landmass, but not all, was destroyed.

Q: (L) So, how many seperate destructions did Atlantis experience?

A: Three.

Q: (L) One was caused by the close passage of Mars?

A: Yes. And comets.

Q: (L) Was Mars and the comets loosely interactive?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And the second was caused by what?

A: Venus.

Q: (L) And the third and final destruction was caused by what?

A: Crystals.

Q: (T) Are the crystals still active?

A: Bermuda triangle.

Q: (L) I thought that was a myth?

A: No.

Q: (L) And what does that crystal do? Is it continuously active?

A: No. Erratic.

Q: (L) Is it still active in the sense of being a conscious or sentient entity?

A: No.

Q: (L) What activates it?

A: Many factors.

Q: (L) And when it is activated, what does it do?

A: Transdimensional window is blasted open.

Q: (L) Say a person was sailing along in the Bermuda Triangle and the window was blasted open and these people passed through or were engulfed in it or whatever, in what condition would they find themselves?

A: Something akin to suspended animation.

Q: (L) Would they be conscious of their state of suspended animation or would their consciousness also be suspended?

A: Either or.

Q: (L) Do they stay in this state forever, or do they come back out, or do they come out somewhere else?

A: Open. All are possible. Same thing happened to Philadelphia experiment participants.

Q: (L) If an individual were in this interdimensional state of suspended animation, does this mean they are stuck there forever?

A: Maybe.

Q: (L) Can they not die, is that what you are saying?

A: To them they may perceive something like waiting for millions of years.

Q: (L) Is there no one or no way to rescue them from this state?

A: Why do you think those sailors were hopelessly insane?

Q: (L) Besides the crystal in the Bermuda Triangle, are any of the others still active?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) Does the government know about them?

A: Semi.

Q: (L) Where are the others located?

A: Off Japan; in Brazil; in Ural mountains of Russia; North and South Poles.

Q: (T) Are the ones on the Moon and Mars active also?

A: Yes.

Q: (V) Are they responsible for any of the earthquakes like the one in Japan?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) If one crystal is found and the technology is deciphered, and another is found, does it increase the power…

A: Let us answer this way: If Neanderthals found a 747 would they know how to use it?

Q: (L) What were the physical dimensions of these crystals and were they cut or naturally grown?

A: Varied. Were synthetic.

Q: (L) Were they faceted?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) In their faceting, what was the general configuration?

A: Pyramid.

Q: (L) Was that an absolute pyramid with the same proportions as say, the Great Pyramid at Gizeh?

A: Close.

Q: (L) How large was the largest from base to apex?

A: 5000 feet.

Q: (L) What was the average size?

A: 500 feet.

Q: (L) And was the one that was 5,000 feet tall, is that one still in existence?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Where is that one located?

A: 380 miles due East of you?

Q: (L) Some years ago a pilot reported seeing a pyramid near there in the water…

A: That is just the top sticking out of the ocean floor. It is 90 per cent buried.

Q: (V) In meditation, I saw crystals coming up during Earth changes. Is this what is going to happen?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) How come this crystal didn’t shatter or break up during the subsidence of Atlantis?

A: Extraordinarily strong. An atomic bomb would not shatter it. The chain reaction of a thermonuclear explosion would be absorbed into the crystal and transferred into pure energy. That relates to the design function.

Q: (L) And then what would happen?

A: Energy dispersal unless focused as engineered by the Atlanteans.

Q: (L) Where did they get this technology?

A: They evolved it.

Q: (L) They invented it themselves?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Did they interact with any aliens?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Did they get any help at all from these extraterrestrials?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And who were these aliens?

A: Lizards.

Q: (L) What kind of power frequency did these crystals use?

A: Full range.

Q: (T) How many of the crystals have been discovered by the governments of the world?

A: All.

Q: (T) Are they trying to use them?

A: Pointlessly.

Q: (T) Are they trying?

A: Maybe.

Q: (T) Is that why they backed off from the Moon and stopped the space program?

A: No. Government doesn’t understand technology.

Q: (T) Have they backed off from their activities on the Moon?

A: Open.

Q: (T) Are the crystals on Mars why they want to get there so badly?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) Because of the crystals or because of what is stored in the monuments?

A: Neither.

Q: (T) Why do they want to get to Mars?

A: Explore.

Q: (T) Are the top echelons of the human race all the fools that they seem?

A: Subjective.

Q: (L) Can we utilize that crystalline shape to generate electricity?

A: Possible and has been done.

Q: (L) Is it complicated?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) What effect does wearing hematite have on the physical body?

A: Open.

Q: (V) What about this fellow Stephenson?

A: If all parties have faith in it.

Q: (V) Did Laura receive healing on her heart today?

A: Yes.

Q: (V) Where did Stephenson get his information?

A: Read it.

Q: (L) Jan has asked about doing a spirit release?

A: Okay.

Q: (L) She wants to know how many attachments she has?

A: Three. Two positive. One negative.

Q: (L) Terry:

A: Four 3/1.

Q: (L) How did they get them?

A: Find out.

Q: (L) Earlier the suggestion was made to hypnotize Terry, is that what they are saying we should do?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) Can I trust Jerry?

A: Maybe.

Q: (T) Does Commodore Kirk die at the end of the movie? (V) Does X-files have the Lizzie influence?

A: No.

Q: (T) Does X-files tell the people what they need to hear?

A: Yes.


2.25 November 24, 1994

Frank and Laura

Q: (L) Hello.

A: Greetings.

Q: (L) Who do we have with us tonight?

A: Peehmi.

Q: (L) Have you ever lived on earth?

A: No. There is little need to ask question each time as this is now grooved channel.

Q: (L) Does that mean that the vibrations have been adjusted for you specifically and that others cannot utilize it?

A: Cannot unless you request.

Q: (L) Are you aware of the letter I got today from Karla Turner?

A: We are Cassiopaean.

Q: (L) Does that mean that you are aware?

A: We are aware of your entire life aura.

Q: (L) What caused her to react to the channelled information the way she did. Obviously something upset her, what was it?

A: Miffed by personal references; suspicious of motives send her this session verbatim.

Q: (L) Well, okay, what would you say to her… obviously she thinks you, as a source, were caught in a lie and that put her off, what can you say in response to that accusation, I guess you would call it?

A: There are no lies.

Q: (L) Well, obviously that is something that can be said, but she thinks that since you did not come right out and describe everything in precise detail about those two little boys in South Carolina, that what little you did say, she interpreted as a lie. What else is going on here that…

A: There are no lies only interpretations.

Q: (L) Is it important for her to receive information from this source?

A: It is important for all on planet to learn at their own pace.

Q: (L) Is Karla’s pace slower?

A: Apples and Oranges.

Q: (L) I would like to address the issue of accuracy. How can we increase or determine or work on accuracy?

A: Accuracy is 3rd level concept.

Q: (L) Well, you do understand that at this level we determine whether information is correct or good by whether it happens or comes true, particularly in terms of prognostications.

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And if a source misses on a prognostication, very often people lose faith in that source. Is that an unrealistic expectation?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Is that because accuracy is an impossible task because of variability of reality?

A: If it were possible there would be no existence. The universe is nothing more than a learning laboratory.

Q: (L) Okay, well, at this point I am wondering if there is any point in writing to Karla and sharing our information with her at all?

A: Of course. You are all learning. Share information to learn more faster.

Q: (L) Is there anything that can be said to her to help her in a positive way?

A: Have empathy. She was raised to put others before herself.

Q: (L) Well, okay, tell us about this, with the existing probabilities, will Terry and Jan be with us this coming Saturday?

A: Yes. But up to you. Ask and you shall receive.

{We did and they were.}

Q: (L) Jan was telling me that his friends S__ and S__ have bought into M__’s thesis that I am the wicked witch of the west, is this true?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Why is M__ F__ doing this?

A: Same as all other; this is a self serving, ego dominated world.

Q: (L) Is there any particular viciousness in him toward me, inspired for any particular reason?

A: Some, because of your sex references.

Q: (L) He is mad because I identified his motivations toward S__ as being sexually inspired? Was this true?

A: Yes. But truth hurts.

Q: (L) Can you tell us about this recent volcanic eruption? What was the cause?

A: “Heating up” of earth.

Q: (L) What is causing it to heat up?

A: Vibrational frequency changes.

Q: (L) What is the source of these vibrational frequency changes?

A: Oncoming wave as we have told you before.

Q: (L) This oncoming wave, is this a wave which is so large or so vast that its effects are felt many years in advance of its absolute arrival point?

A: All waves in nature have a “contract” phase.

Q: (L) Does that mean like just before a wave comes up on shore it kind of sucks everything out?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) So we are in the sucking back phase {demonstrates with hand motion and sound effects.}

A: Cute analogy.

Q: (L) Back in 1981 and 1982, my daughter A__ frequently saw something outside her window that she described as an alligator, and she would wake up screaming and we would get up and, on one occasion we saw what seemed to be a figure standing in a corner by the closet. The whole series of events ended up with my having a dream in which I confronted a dragon…

A: Lizard.

Q: (L) What were they doing at that time?

A: Scoping.

Q: (L) What did they discover from their scoping?

A: Potential abductees.

Q: (L) And did they abduct anyone at that time?

A: No.

Q: (L) Why didn’t they?

A: You stopped it.

Q: (L) How did I stop it?

A: Knowledge is rooted in awareness.

Q: (L) So, my awareness is what stopped it?

A: Close.

Q: (L) When I had the dream about doing battle with the dragon, was that just a dream, an astral event, or an actual interaction with the Lizzies?

A: All three.

Q: (L) And what was their reaction to encountering my resistance to them?

A: Disappointment.

Q: (L) Have they tried to harass us since then?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Have they succeeded on any of those occasions subsequent to that?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) In what way?

A: Alice.

Q: (L) Through my mother?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Did they abduct her?

A: Garbled her emotions.

Q: (L) Is that their best shot so far?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Can it get worse?

A: It can always get worse.

Q: (L) So we just have to stay on our toes at all times?

A: Absolutely don’t let others distract you. You have suffered many attempts at distraction away from truth. Now follow some proclamations: Pause. All there is is lessons. This is one infinite school. There is no other reason for anything to exist. Even inanimate matter learns it is all an “Illusion.” Each individual possesses all of creation within their minds. Now, contemplate for a moment. Each soul is all powerful and can create or destroy all existence if know how. You and us and all others are interconnected by our mutual possession of all there is. You may create alternative universes if you wish and dwell within. You are all a duplicate of the universe within which you dwell. Your mind represents all that exists. It is “fun” to see how much you can access.

Q: (L) It’s fun for who to see how much we can access?

A: All. Challenges are fun. Where do you think the limit of your mind is?

Q: (L) Where?

A: We asked you.

Q: (L) Well, I guess there is no limit.

A: If there is no limit, then what is the difference between your own mind and everything else?

Q: (L) Well, I guess there is no difference if all is ultimately one.

A: Right. And when two things each have absolutely no limits, they are precisely the same thing.

Q: (L) Is this all you are going to give for tonight?

A: Open. Can give more another time.

Q: (L) My husband wants to know why his ears have been ringing constantly?

A: Lizard move.

Q: (L) Why is this Lizard move causing his ears to ring?

A: They concentrate on those who are not protected or less protected by knowledge.

Q: (L) What can he do to stop this?

A: Open mind then learn.

Q: (L) And if he doesn’t, what would be the result?

A: Further attack.

Q: (L) The other night when Terry and Jan were here and we were getting ready to sit down at the board, I had a sudden sharp pain in my left ear unlike anything I have ever had. It was three sharp jabs. What was that?

A: Electrical nerve surge.

Q: (L) What caused that?

A: DNA changing.

Q: (L) Well, A__ now has the ubiquitous pain in the shoulder. Is this because her DNA is changing?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) You said that each soul is all powerful and could create or destroy all existence… does this mean that an individual could create or destroy all of existence for all others?

A: Yes. But more complex than that will explain further another session.

Q: (L) If we were to ask specific questions, technically speaking, would you be able to tell us how to build a time machine or transdimensional transporter of some sort?

A: Yes. But where are you going to get all the hardware?

Q: (L) Well, I didn’t say I was going to do it, I just wanted to know if you could tell us how.

Q: (L) Is there anything in a few words that you want to tell us before we end tonight?

A: Network but be careful with whom.

Q: (L) Is anyone going to drop into our lives imminently who is going to help us with this?

A: Wait and see. Just beginning.

Q: (L) We thank you for all your help tonight. Are we going to receive spontaneous information regularly like we did tonight?

A: Occasionally when vibrations are right. Vibrations suggest invite Rodemerks. Energy is better with them.

Q: (L) When V__ is with us, would it be helpful for her to stand behind us and give Reiki while we work the board?

A: If you wish.

Q: (L) I get the feeling that means it doesn’t really matter.

A: Open. Goodnight.


2.26 November 26, 1994

Frank and Laura, Terry and Jan

Q: Hello.

A: Thank you for altering the board. {We had installed more punctuation marks} We worked on your psyches to get you to do that.

Q: (L) Well, you didn’t have to work on our psyches to get us to do it. It makes things faster for us too. We wanted to do it.

A: Everything is interactive when it comes to the “collective mind.”

Q: (T) “Endword” is for the end of every word not for the end of the sentence, so we can break the words up without having to do it… (J) I don’t need it…

A: You will know the words as they come out.

Q: (L) Now for the questions…

A: Who am I Laura? You are slipping

Q: (L) Well, you told me last time that I didn’t have to ask every time. Okay, who do we have with us tonight?

A: Fun.

Q: (L) Your name is fun?

A: Silly.

Q: (T) We’re being silly or we’re just going to have a fun silly evening?

A: Laura needs to lighten up a bit.

Q: (L) Okay, can we have your name, please?

A: Murean.

Q: (L) {Attempt to pronounce} Glad to have you with us Murean.

A: Accent on 2nd syllable.

Q: (T) Well, tonight we have Laura, Frank and Terry on the board and Jan transcribing, is this okay?

A: Of course, Terry.

Q: (T) Thank you.

A: You are welcome.

Q: (T) Something I noticed from last Saturday night: what you need is the energy from us in order to make the board work. Its not necessary that one or…

A: You add energy.

Q: (T) I personally add energy?

A: And Jan.

Q: (L) Just by being here? (T) Well, I don’t want to feel that I am usurping V__’s position….

A: V__ is at earlier stage in learning process, so less energy.

Q: (L) Well, V__ is part of the group and is learning along with the rest of us, and we are all at different stages in one way or another. She has a great gift of healing which is definitely needed in the group. (T) And L__ is a fisherman.

A: V__ is more emotional like a “Gemini” lover. She gives better Reiki because she has this emotional power.

Q: (T) Well, I just don’t want her to have hurt feelings or think that she is being replaced if I sit in.

A: Lighten up Terry.

Q: (J) I had a dream where I had vines growing out of my hair. I walked past a mirror and saw this and said “I’m going to have to get rid of this stuff!” Is there some significance to this dream?

A: None.

Q: (J) What causes my sinus problems?

A: Emotional repression.

Q: (J) Of what?

A: Feelings. Taught to be nondemonstrative in childhood.

Q: (J) There was a lot of repression of thought processes and creativity in my house as I was growing up. So what can I do to help my sinuses?

A: Go out and smash a few flower pots. {Much laughter.} Seriously. Harmless to others.

Q: (T) Well there is a whole bunch of them out there. (J) Should I identify the things I am angry at and name the flower pots as I smash them?

A: If she wants to. We suggested flower pots because you have a surplus. {Laughter}

Q: (T) We do, big time! {Someone suggests shooting them.}

A: Guns can cause harm unless extremely careful.

Q: (J) Why was Terry’s mom so afraid of her cataract operation recently and why has she not yet healed and what can she do? (T) Too many questions. My mother just had a cataract operation and several other people in the family all had the same operation and all of them healed correctly and quickly. She is not healing correctly and she’s scared to death that she is going to lose the sight in that eye. She was scared to death of this operation and she has had other operations which did not scare her.

A: Too many thought patterns.

Q: Why was she scared of this operation?

A: Her nature to be scared.

Q: (J) She claims that she has never been frightened of any other operation.

A: Incorrect.

Q: Is the eye going to heal?

A: If she changes her thoughts.

Q: (L) Have you given her Reiki in her eye? (J) No. (T) Well, go over there and do it this week some time.

A: Not recommended. She will resist strongly.

Q: (L) Is there anything Terry or Jan can do… (J) or what can she do…

A: Her lesson, not yours. Please limit inquiries of a personal nature.

Q: (T) It’s a free will universe and they can’t tell us. See, I read the book!

A: Good job, Terry. {Laughter}

Q: (T) I’m slow learning, but I do get the lessons eventually.

A: Not so slow.

Q: (L) Can we at least ask what kind of spirit animals Jan and Terry would have?

A: Jan, mouse. Terry, snake. {Laughter}

Q: (T) Does my snake totem refer to something about Lizards or dragons?

A: No. You have been told that.

Q: (T) Well, I like dragons because I am into fantasy books. I’m not really crazy about lizards.

A: Dungeons and…

Q: (T) Dungeons and dragons, one of my favorite games. Since I like Dungeons and Dragons, and kind of have this thing for that sort of thing…

A: We know.

Q: (T) We all have our hobbies. Why do I feel that there is a connection in my life to bladed weapons. What is the root of my liking for the medieval games and so forth?

A: Swords. Was killed by pirate in 1713.

Q: (T) Why was I killed by a pirate in 1713? (L) Because you were there. (T) Wrong place at the wrong time!

A: Close enough.

Q: (L) What was his name in that lifetime?

A: George Caldwell. Lived in Plymouth, England. Occupation: Navy.

Q: (L) Who were the group of pirates that he encountered that took his life?

A: British cutthroats.

Q: (T) What was my rank?

A: Leftenant.

Q: (T) What was the name of the ship?

A: HMS Siderail.

Q: (T) What type of a ship was that?

A: Schooner.

Q: (T) So, it was not a military ship, then?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) Well, it was not a fighting ship. (L) They never used schooners for fighting ships.

A: Yes. Commandeered, L__. {Laughter}

Q: (T) The British Navy commandeered this schooner?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) Is this listed in British Admiralty records anywhere? Is any of this recorded?

A: No. Covered up.

Q: (T) Are there still records about the navy personnel?

A: Yes. Go to London. Contact New Scotland Yard for access.

Q: (T) Who captained the schooner?

A: Ian Miller of Plymouth.

Q: (L) Was Terry married?

A: No.

Q: (T) How old was I when I died?

A: 23.

Q: (T) Did I have fun up to that point?

A: Open.

Q: (J) Can you tell me about a specific game I played when I was in junior high school with other girls, specifically M__ S__?

A: M__’s basement appears very dark. Candles or pinpoints of light. Words spoken in “ritual” fashion.

Q: (F) What did you do? (J) Yes. (L) You’re kidding? (J) No. (F) What did you do? (J) {Laughs}

A: We are seeing scene you speak of in present “time”. It is difficult to interpret as there seems to be an effort to “cloak” activities from others in a somewhat “sneaky’ fashion. But, it appears to be an effort to influence events or cast”spells”.

Q: (L) Were you? (J) Um hmm. (L) Did it work?

A: Open.

Q: (J) You cannot get any specifics on this regarding words?

A: We can’t decipher.

Q: (J) If I concentrated on it more?

A: Maybe.

Q: (T) Do you have something you want to share with us without us asking questions?

A: Clear vibrations. There is much interference at this time.

Q: (T) What is the source of that interference?

A: Many and varied.

Q: (L) Is it our tenseness or expectation about getting those words that created static?

A: Partly. But remember, the primary point of this communication is to bring information to all that is of universal importance as opposed to personal exercises and data. We want to clarify and expand upon previous statement. It is alright if you would prefer to use this forum for personal data and gain, because that is of free will. However, if you would like this connection to retain its strength and, in fact, increase, then it would be wise to limit personal inquiries because that is of the service to self realm and that realm is limiting and will eventually lead to contamination by forces that are oriented toward service to self, unlike this one.

Q: (L) I’m tired. Do you guys really need me here?

A: “The more the merrier.”

Q: (L) Can I ask my question now?

A: Okay, Laura. Go for it.

Q: (L) The other night we were talking about the “Mark of Cain” and I lost part of the tape. I would like to go back over that a little bit more at this time. What was the true event behind the story of the “Mark of Cain?”

A: Advent of jealousy.

Q: (L) What occurred to allow jealousy to enter into human interaction?

A: Lizard takeover.

Q: (L) Wasn’t the Lizard takeover an event that occurred at the time of the fall of Eden?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Was this story of Cain and Abel part of that takeover?

A: Symbolism of story.

Q: (L) This was symbolic of the Lizzie takeover, the advent of jealousy, and the attitude of brother against brother, is that correct?

A: Partly. The mark of Cain means the “jealousy factor” of change facilitated by Lizard takeover of earth’s vibrational frequency. Knot on spine is physical residue of DNA restriction deliberately added by Lizards. See?

Q: (L) Okay, Jan is going to move her hand up my back and you tell her when to stop at the “knot”.

A: Okay.

Q: (L) You mean the occipital ridge?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) What was the configuration of the spine and skull prior to this addition?

A: Spine had no ridge there. Jealousy emanates from there, you can even feel it.

Q: (L) Do any of these emotions that we have talked about that were generated by DNA breakdown, were any of these related to what Carl Sagan discusses when he talks about the “Reptilian Brain”?

A: In a roundabout way.

Q: (L) Okay, at the time this “Mark of Cain” came about, were there other humans on the planet that did not have this configuration?

A: It was added to all simultaneously.

Q: (L) How did they physically go about performing this act? What was the mechanism of this event, the nuts and bolts of it?

A: Are you ready? DNA core is as yet undiscovered enzyme relating to carbon. Light waves were used to cancel the first ten factors of DNA by burning them off. At that point, a number of physical changes took place including knot at top of spine. Each of these is equally reflected in the ethereal.

Q: (L) Is that all?

A: No. But, do you need more?

Q: (L) Well, the question I do have is, how many people were there on the planet and did they have to take each one and do this individually?

A: Whoa.

Q: (L) How many people?

A: 6 billion.

Q: (T) That’s 500 million more than there are now.

A: No, 200 million.

Q: (L) Okay, there were this many people on the planet, how did they effect this change on all of them?

A: Light wave alteration.

Q: (L) And light waves, actual light waves, affect DNA?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) What was the origin of the light waves?

A: Our center.

Q: (L) What is your center?

A: Our realm. STO.

Q: (L) So, how did the Lizzies use the light from the Service to Others realm…

A: They used sophisticated technology to interrupt light frequency waves.

Q: (L) Well, what I am getting out of this that you are saying from what you are not saying is that it was almost like,… well, was there a battle and you guys lost?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Is this the same battle that the Pleiadians talk about?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) Not to go off on a tangent, but I have only come into this recently, you are the Cassiopaeans?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) Are you also the Pleiadians?

A: No.

Q: (T) Are you connected to the Pleiadians?

A: Yes and so are others.

Q: (T) You are all the family of light?

A: Yes. Exactly. You have been “doing your homework”.

Q: (T) I’m trying to. Now, another force in what we term as the past, defeated you and used the power of the light in order to alter us in different ways, is this correct?

A: Yes. Now understand this: It is all part of natural grand cycle.

Q: (L) If this is all a part of a natural grand cycle, and correct me if I am wrong here, it almost seems as if you guys, the “good guys”, and the other “bad” guys, that you just really kind of go at it just for fun, is that true?

A: No.

Q: (L) But you say it is a natural thing or part of a natural grand cycle. Is this natural grand cycle just part of the interaction between light and darkness which just simply must be?

A: Yes. We are at “front line” of universe’s natural system of balance. That is where one rises to before reaching total union of “The One”. 6th level.

Q: (L) Do you like being at 6th level?

A: Do you like being at 3rd level?

Q: (L) Frankly no, I don’t. (T) If you answer the question by asking the question, and we know that we are striving to reach higher, does this mean there are more levels above 6th level?

A: Yes. One.

Q: (L) Is that union with the one?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) Now, the battle you had with the other side…

A: Are having.

Q: (T) This battle goes on… do you have the light power back?

A: Never lost it, you did.

Q: (T) Okay, I guess that for us the Lizzies are the main force even though they have others on their side…

A: Yes.

Q: (T) They took our light, not yours?

A: Not against you. Currently in union with you.

Q: (T) So we are but one battle in the universe in an overall, ongoing struggle?

A: Yes. Balance is natural. Remember, it’s all just lessons in the grand cycle.

Q: (L) I am really curious… when you guys and the Lizzies “go to it”, what do you do? I mean, you obviously don’t shoot guns at each other and you don’t have tanks…

A: Too complicated for you to possibly understand because you are not at 4th level yet.

Q: (J) When you are fighting, is it any way at all possible for us to detect the battle?

A: First: We don’t “fight.” Second, yes; it’s nature as in meteorology and earth changes.

Q: (T) Your form of confrontation takes the form of physical changes in the atmosphere and environment of the planet?

A: And in space.

Q: (T) But that is how we detect it? The more activity, the more conflict is going on?

A: Remember, we are the light. They are the dark. We are both high level thought forms reflected at all levels of reality.

Q: (T) So, what we perceive, then, is what comes through to third density which is not what we would perceive if we were looking at it from 4th or 5th or 6th.

A: Yes.

Q: (T) We are talking 4th density to 3rd density. Is this what Hoagland is referring to when he talks about the tetrahedral form he has detected from the Martian structures he has been studying that he postulated…

A: Yes. This is a bridge to 4th density.

Q: (L) Isn’t it a little unfair for you guys, at 6th level, to take on the Lizzies at only 4th level?

A: The “Lizzies” are the 4th level representatives of the forces of the darkness not the 6th level, and you are 3rd level representatives.

Q: (L) Is there a 6th level representative of the forces of darkness?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And what is this 6th level representative known as, or called, or look like or whatever?

A: Orion in your “neighborhood.”

Q: (L) The Orion’s are 6th level STS beings?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Are they like you, thought forms?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Do they ever appear in physical matter?

A: Can.

Q: (L) And they are the driving force that controls the Lizzies?

A: Close.

Q: (L) Is there some intermediary between the 6th level Orions and the 4th level Lizzies, such as a 5th level force or being?

A: 5th level is contemplation zone for both “sides”.

Q: (L) Does that mean that at the contemplation level that there is no activity? (J) Is it like a “time out?”

A: Close. Balancer.

Q: (L) Is there a 3rd level representative of the forces of the light?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Who or what are they?

A: Don’t exist on your planet.

Q: (L) Do they have a planet of their own?

A: Have quadrillions of them.

Q: (L) Well, this is beginning to sound like we are in pretty bad shape here. This is like the Siberia of the universe as Gurdjieff said.

A: The Universe is infinitely huge.

Q: (L) If there are planets where there are 3D beings who are STS oriented, in other words, in a physical body, do they look something like us?

A: You are STS oriented. Did you really mean to say STO?

Q: (T) Is there a 3D race in this universe that is STO?

A: Yes. Already stated thus.

Q: (L) If there are planets with STO beings…

A: Some look like you.

Q: (L) What is life like on that sort of place? (T) They are not going to tell us that. That is something that we are going to have to develop to find out.

A: Exactly.

Q: (J) Is part of being STS being so appearance oriented as we are?

A: Not physical issue at 3rd level.

Q: (T) Who talks to me when I am having conversations with myself in my head?

A: You.

Q: Am I talking to other beings?

A: Have.

Q: Do we all do this?

A: No.

Q: (T) Does Laura communicate like this.

A: Has.

Q: (T) Does Frank?

A: Ditto.

Q: (T) Should I continue communicating with whoever it is?

A: Up to you.

Q: (T) Are they connected to you?

A: No.

Q: (T) Do you know who I am talking about?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) Can you tell me who they are?

A: Lizards.

Q: (T) Why are they talking to me?

A: Trying to convert you. Remember, Terry, your chronic depression represents a “battle” zone.

Q: (T) I no longer am depressed and they are talking to me more. (J) They are trying to get you back into it. (T) but they are not doing anything to convince me to be depressed.

A: Watch out!

Q: (T) Can I turn them off?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) Who is “Sing.”

A: Leader of forces assigned to influence you.

Q: (T) Forces, as in many are assigned to me personally?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) How many are in this force?

A: Seven.

Q: (T) Do they do this because of the implants that are in me?

A: All part of process.

Q: (T) Do I have implants?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) These implants are what they use to control my emotions and amplify them so that they can feed off of them?

A: Not control, influence.

Q: (T) No, not to control; influence. But when, say, I get angry, then I’m angry for a short time but then I’m angry for a long time because they have used this technology to amplify and extend this; is this what they do?

A: Yes. Knowledge protects, ignorance endangers.

Q: (T) Can I feed back through their equipment what I choose?

A: Not necessary.

Q: (T) In other words, if I get angry and realize that I am being more angry than I should be, and I change that to something positive, and feed that back to them while they have their amplifiers wide open, will that affect them? Sour their milk, so to speak?

A: Now you are “fighting fire with fire.”

Q: (T) Well, is that something that we are supposed to be doing?

A: Open. But what does phrase imply?

Q: (L) If you feed it back at them, in other words, what they are saying is, I think, when you feel yourself getting angry, the only way to stop the whole thing is to stop being angry and be happy or at peace. When you are happy and at peace there is not in you the desire to send anything back.

A: Bingo.

Q: (J) Redirect the energy into something positive. (F) You can’t fight fire with fire. (LM) Well, actually you can in reality. (T) What I am getting at is, is it possible to do that, to change the emotional state to something more positive than what they are expecting and feed that back to them. Is that a possibility?

A: Why.

Q: (T) Just to give them a taste of their own for a change. (J) Do you want to antagonize them? You are still feeding them your energy. (L) The only change you could really have would be the opposite emotion which would be peace and if you are truly feeling peace…

A: 4th density STSers feed off negative energy.

Q: (J) So, give them nothing. (T) But what I am thinking about is the energy… I have a natural… They are feeding off negative energy. They put something in me, some technological thing, because they come into 3rd density to mess with us…

A: Yes.

Q: (T) …that will amplify this for them. Make it even stronger.

A: Analogy follows: How effective is a light socket without a plug in it?

Q: (T) Well, how effective is a light socket without a socket in it… I’m trying to learn here so you guys give me some latitude.

A: What?

Q: (T) If you take a light socket and pull the socket… pull the plug on the light socket you no longer have light. (L) Well, the Lizzies are the light bulb and you are the power source so you just pull out their plug. (J) Unplug yourself. (T) Am I the socket?

A: How effective is a motor that is never turned on?

Q: (J) Do not be their source. If they feed off negative energy, starve them.

A: Implants are ineffective if not used.

Q: (J) The power source has to be on for the implant to work for them to get the juice and the power is negative thoughts and emotions. (T) But I am still a 3rd density being. I have all the emotions of a 3rd density being, the whole gamut, and that is part of what makes me a 3rd density being. Therefore I can’t turn one emotion off without upsetting the balance of the other emotions, emotions are almost an analogy to the light and the dark.

A: No.

Q: (T) I have positive emotions and I have negative emotions; they both make up who I am.

A: If you choose, you may have only positive emotions.

Q: (T) Now, if I have only positive emotions, which is a nice thing to have and I’d like to have that, what does that do to the sensor equipment of the Lizzies?

A: Cancels them.

Q: (T) So they are tuned to negative frequencies?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) Having positive feelings cuts off the implants. If I cut off the sensors by having positive feelings, what will the Lizards do?

A: Go elsewhere.

Q: (L) Am I correct in my thought that when you first start turning this off that they may increase their efforts for a period and then finally they realize that you are really in charge here and then they go away?

A: Exactly.

Q: (L) So, when you first get a clue and you start getting a grip on your emotions and dealing with everything that happens to you with acceptance and knowledge that all is a manifestation of your own creation and for your ultimate good, for a period of time they may try ten times harder to get you back as a food source, but then once they realize they can’t, then they do finally let loose?

A: You and Frank are experiencing this right now.

Q: (L) This is true. (F) We have both been under massive attack. Just doing this work has been a struggle to keep at it with everything coming from every direction. (L) The hardest has been to stay in a frame of mind to do it. (J) Am I under attack?

A: Not yet.

Q: (T) Is what I have been under the past few months the first assault?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) Now they are trying to sweet talk me?

A: Only first assault.

Q: (T) So, the more positive I become, the more they are going to continue trying, and I am assuming that because you said I have seven beings of some kind assigned to me, that they find something interesting in me that they want to keep?

A: Close.

Q: (T) Should it make me happy that they think I am important enough to have seven beings assigned to me personally? Should I take that as a complement?

A: No.

Q: (J) Is Terry’s level of negativity what makes him attractive to them? His capability for strong negativity?

A: Vice versa.

Q: (J) Please explain. (L) Well, what did they say, is his negativity what makes him attractive, No. He has attracted them and that is what makes him negative? So what makes him attractive to them?

A: Not attractive, a threat.

Q: (L) Now, that is a point. I think there are a lot of people they start working on very early in life because they do like an aura reading or aura scan and determine, and know that a person has potential for great light so they start working on them when they are young and defenseless to try and take them out of the game, so to speak. (F) Not only great good, but also potential for knowledge. (L) Is this the case here?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) There you go. It isn’t your potential for negativity, it is your potential for good.

(F) Right. If you look around you, you will see the mainstream of society, and they just seem to move through life and enjoy wallowing in materiality, these people don’t seem to suffer as much.

(L) There seems to be two classes of people the Lizzies like to go after, extremely weak ones and those they haul off and eat or experiment on; and those who have potential strength and positivity.

(F) To give you an example is, the people they don’t attack are those who they already have and they don’t have to work on them. If you have the potential to rise above the service to self orientation, then you are a threat. And, if you look around at most of the people who are “making it” in this world, those are the ones that are usually the most viciously service to self.

(T) Very true.

(J) That’s the way it is.

(L) And how many times have you heard these “New Age” teachers talk about “well, if your impression of people who have material possessions is that they are negative, then you are bringing this on yourself and you will just have to concentrate on prosperity more,” that is, in a roundabout way promoting a very service to self philosophy. It’s not that having things is bad, it’s not that money is evil, it’s the focus on it over and above helping others.

(T) I want to tell a little story. A guy I work for is a “Born again Christian.” Only a year and a half born again. He’s hobbying at it. He’s looking for a lifestyle. He was pooh-poohing metaphysics and New Age philosophies in general saying: “New Age! That’s the devil’s work!” He has no idea what it is, but he is shutting it down because someone told him to shut it down and he is doing it to be part of the Lifestyle. I said: “Where do you get this stuff?” He said: “It’s in the Bible.” I said: “What do you mean it’s in the Bible?” He said: “Well, it’s in the books.” So, I asked: “Well, where did the books come from? Some of them were written many hundreds of years ago and the New Testament books were written hundreds of years after Christ lived, that is, after the fact.”

So, he said: “See, those who wrote the Bible didn’t really write it, they got it from the Holy Spirit.” So, I say, okay, I can buy that. The Holy Spirit wrote the Bible. I can follow this. Fine. I ask him: “How do they know this was the Holy Spirit?” And I’m only bringing up a question, I am not putting him down. So, he comes back and says: “Well, the books say the Holy Spirit came down and did this, and since it is in the book, it must be true.” I said: “Wait a minute. The Holy Spirit came down and wrote these books through these people, gave them this information and helped them do this, and wrote in the book that it was the Holy Spirit that did this, therefore it makes it true because whoever brought this information said they brought this information. But, on a whole different level, the Holy Spirit brought this information to these people, and they didn’t write the books, did they not”channel” these books?” And he stopped there and it was like: “Well, I never thought of it that way.”

And I said: “Well, you just said that all of this was of the Devil, New Age, paranormal events, UFOs, the Rolling Stones…” So, he thought about it for a minute and then he said: “But it’s okay. It was the”right” channel!” And I say: “Wait a minute! Slow down here! Take this home and think about it for a few days. These books that you are putting your faith in, that you don’t know where they came from, were channelled to people by means that you say are the devil’s work if anybody else does it. And, the only reason you are accepting these works is because, IN these works it says that it was the Holy Spirit that did it, but it was the Holy Spirit that told them to do this.”

(F) And it was the Holy Spirit that told them that it was the Holy Spirit.

(T) Yeah, right! I told him: “Think about it. Just THINK about what you are saying.” But he is just not seeing it.

(L) It’s hypnosis.

(T) And, he’s looking for a lifestyle. He talks about: “I heard this great group the other day, they’re a Christian band”. And a couple days later: “Hey, did you hear such and such, they’re a Christian Band.” I said: “Gee, James, know any good Moslem bands?” I told him I liked Garrison Keilor and he said: “That’s a Christian show.” I said: “Where did you get that?” He said: “Well, my pastor said he was because he’s from Minnesota!”

(F) Well, there are two points that this brings up. The first is that circular thinking and this whole idea is following what others tell you or what has been written without questioning it. You are not supposed to think. And then, the second thing, this source said once way back: “Don’t take anything at face value, including this.” Part of the light of knowledge is that you would always be open to new information.

(L) Well, that is the parable of the talents. I keep hammering on that one and one of these days I am going to write a little monograph on the parables of Jesus. The parable of the talents is prefaced by the phrase: “Now, knowledge of the kingdom is like unto a certain man who went on a journey…” and he called his three servants together and gave them each a certain number of talents. The talents represent knowledge. Two of the servants invested their talents. They were willing to take risks and give up what they had to get more. The third was afraid of losing the little he had and he buried his talent. So, the two increased their knowledge by repeatedly giving up and getting back more. The master came back and the two showed how they had made a killing on the market and the master was pleased. But the servant who had buried his talent said: “Master, I knew you were a hard man and you reaped where you did not sow and I was afraid…” The master cast him into outer darkness. And, remember, remember, remember, we are talking about knowledge. He took his little bit of knowledge and he closed himself off and hung onto that little bit for dear life…

(F) Yet another demonstration of service to self. He buried it so he could have it instead of sharing it. It is continually reflected over and over. Everybody out there has their one little talent and they are all burying it for dear life.

(T) Okay. Where were we. Just by being positive will shut off the Lizzies desire to mess with me?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) That’s all there is to it? But the implants will still be there?

A: So what?

Q: (T) Do the implants do anything besides transmit the frequency?

A: No.

Q: (T) And, as long as I am being negative it is transmitting and they can track me that way?

A: Close.

Q: (T) If I shut them off by being positive, they can’t track me any longer?

A: Can track but not influence.

Q: (T) Why did they tell me that I gave them permission to do it when they abduct me?

A: “Bullshit!”

Q: (T) If I tell them it’s bull will they leave me alone?

A: No.

Q: (T) If I shut them off will they continue to abduct me?

A: No.

Q: (T) I am not buying into the victim line. (L) There is another aspect here. Knowledge breeds awareness which gives you the ability to detect it when they try to influence you in very subtle ways so that you can begin to control your mind and resist early on and that is the key.

A: Close enough.

Q: (L) And you have to persist with positive thoughts and feelings sometimes in the face of incredible adversity. No one said it was going to be easy, but it is worth it. (T) Are my Tarot cards telling me the truth?

A: Maybe. Enough on this subject, please.

Q: (T) One last question. How do I know you are telling me the truth?

A: Open. For you to decide. Listen: Revelations follow. Now would be a good “time” for you folks to begin to reexamine some of the extremely popular “Earth Changes” prophecies. Why, you ask. Because, remember, you are third density beings, so real prophecies are being presented to you in terms you will understand, I.E. physical realm, I.E. Earth changes. This “may” be symbolism. Would most students of the subject understand if prophecies were told directly in fourth density terms?

Q: (L) Is this comparable to my idea about dream symbolism. For example, the dream I had about the curling cloud which I saw in a distance and knew it was death dealing and I interpreted it to be a tornado, but it was, in fact, a dream of the Challenger disaster. I understood it to be a tornado, but in fact, what I saw was what I got, a death dealing force in the sky, a vortex, in the distance. I guess my dream was a fourth density representation but I tried to interpret it in terms I was familiar with. Is this what you mean?

A: Close. But it is easy for most to get bogged down by interpreting prophecies in literal terms.

Q: (L) Is there more information you plan to deliver on this subject?

A: Okay.

Q: (L) Let me ask a quick one. Did the Gulf Breeze Six, as they are called, who were supposedly receiving information via the Ouija board, did they receive prophetic information of some sort?

A: Yes.

Q: And, from what source did they receive this information?

A: Mixed.

Q: (L) Was their information accurate?

A: Mixed.

Q: (L) Why were they, their board, their transcripts and so forth confiscated? {The rumor was that they were shut down by the military and their work confiscated and classified.}

A: Paranoia.

Q: (L) In terms of these Earth Changes, Edgar Cayce is one of the most famous prognosticators of recent note, a large number of the prophecies he made seemingly were erroneous in terms of their fulfillment. For example, he prophesied that Atlantis would rise in 1969, but it did not though certain structures were discovered off the coast of Bimini which are thought by many to be remnants of Atlantis. These did, apparently, emerge from the sand at that time.

A: Example of one form of symbolism.

Q: (L) Well, in terms of this symbolism, could this be applied to the remarks you made about the two little boys who were missing in South Carolina.

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And the symbolism was that you were reading the event from 3rd density into sixth density terms and then transmitting it back into 3rd, and while the ideation was correct, the exact specifics, in 3rd density terms, were slightly askew. Is that what we are dealing with here?

A: 99.9 per cent would not understand that concept. Most are always looking for literal translations of data. Analogy is novice who attends art gallery, looks at abstract painting and says “I don’t get it.”

Q: (L) Well, let’s not denigrate literal translations or at least attempts to get things into literal terms. I like realistic art work. I am a realist in my art preferences. I want trees to look like trees and people to have only two arms and legs. Therefore, I also like some literalness in my prognostications.

A: Some is okay, but, beware or else “California falls into the ocean” will always be interpreted as California falling into the ocean.

Q: [General uproar] (F) Wait a minute, what was the question?

(L) I just said I liked literalness in my prophecies.

(F) Oh, I know what they are saying. People believe that California is just going to go splat and that Phoenix is going to be on the seacoast, never mind that it’s at 1800 feet elevation, it’s just going to drop down to sea level, or the sea level is going to rise, but it’s not going to affect Virginia Beach even though that’s at sea level. I mean… somehow Phoenix is just going to drop down and none of the buildings are going to be damaged, even though its going to fall 1800 feet…

(T) Slowly. It’s going to settle.

(F) Slowly? It would have to be so slowly it’s unbelievable how slowly it would have to be.

(T) It’s been settling for the last five million years, we’ve got a ways to go in the next year and a half!

(F) Right! That’s my point.

(T) In other words, when people like Scallion and Sun Bear and others say California is going to fall into the ocean, they are not saying that the whole state, right along the border is going to fall into the ocean, they are using the term California to indicate that the ocean ledge along the fault line has a probability of breaking off and sinking on the water side, because it is a major fracture. We understand that that is not literal. Are you telling us that there is more involved here as far as the way we are hearing what these predictions say?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) Are we understanding what you are saying?

A: Some.

Q: (T) So, when we talk about California falling into the ocean, we are not talking about the whole state literally falling into the ocean?

A: In any case, even if it does, how long will it take to do this?

Q: (LM) It could take three minutes or three hundred years. (T) Yes. That is “open” as you would say.

A: Yes. But most of your prophets think it is not open.

Q: (J) Yeah, because they think they have the only line on it. (T) Okay. So they are thinking in the terms that one minute California will be there and a minute and a half later it will be all gone. Is this what you are saying?

A: Or similar.

Q: (T) So, when we are talking: “California will fall into the ocean, which is just the analogy we are using, we are talking about, as far as earth changes, is the possibility that several seismic events along the fault line, which no one really knows the extent of…

A: Or it all may be symbolic of something else.

Q: (L) Such as? (J) All the fruitcakes in California are all going to go off the deep end together. (L) Symbolic of what?

A: Up to you to examine and learn.

Q: (L) Now, wait a minute here! That’s like sending us out to translate a book in Latin without even giving us a Latin dictionary.

A: No it is not. We asked you to consider a reexamination.

Q: (L) You have told us through this source, that there is a cluster of comets connected in some interactive way with our solar system, and that this cluster of comets comes into the plane of the ecliptic every 3600 years. Is this correct?

A: Yes. But, this time it is riding realm border wave to 4th level, where all realities are different.

Q: (L) Okay, so the cluster of comets is riding the realm border wave. Does this mean that when it comes into the solar system, that its effect on the solar system, or the planets within the solar system, (Jan or us), may or may not be mitigated by the fact of this transition? Is this a mitigating factor?

A: Will be mitigated.

Q: (T) Is this what the Star Trek movie, “Generations” is telling us?

A: Possible.

Q: (T) Are you or someone in the Federation influencing the writers of that program?

A: Open.

Q: (L) Does any of this mean that the earth changes that have been predicted, may not, in fact, occur in physical reality as we understand it?

A: You betcha.

Q: (L) Does this mean that all of this running around and hopping and jumping to go here and go there and do this and do that is…

A: That is strictly 3rd level thinking.

Q: (L) Now, if that is 3rd level thinking, and if a lot of these things are symbolic, I am assuming they are symbolic of movement or changes in energy.

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And, if these changes in energy occur does this mean that the population of the planet are, perhaps, in groups or special masses of groups, are they defined as the energies that are changing in these descriptions of events and happenings of great cataclysm. Is it like a cataclysm of the soul on an individual and or collective basis?

A: Close.

Q: (L) When the energy changes to 4th density, and you have already told us that people who are moving to 4th density when the transition occurs, that they will move into 4th density, go through some kind of rejuvenation process, grow new teeth, or whatever, what happens to those people who are not moving to 4th density, and who are totally unaware of it? Are they taken along on the wave by, in other words, piggy-backed by the ones who are aware and already changing in frequency, or are they going to be somewhere else doing something else?

A: Step by step.

Q: (T) In other words, we are looking at the fact that what’s coming this time is a wave that’s going to allow the human race to move to 4th density?

A: And the planet and your entire sector of space/time.

Q: (T) Is that what this whole plan is about, then, if I may be so bold as to include all of us here in this. We, of the beings of light who have come here into human form, to anchor the frequency, is this what we are anchoring it for, for this wave, so that when it comes enough of us will be ready, the frequency will be set, so that the change in the planet can take place as it has been planned?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) When this happens, will we piggy-back all those who are still unaware?

A: Open.

Q: (T) Okay, when the people are talking about the earth changes, when they talk in literal terms about the survivors, and those who are not going to survive, and the destruction and so forth and so on, in 3rd, 4th, 5th level reality we are not talking about the destruction of the planet on 3rd level physical terms, or the loss of 90 per cent of the population on the 3rd level because they died, but because they are going to move to 4th level?

A: Whoa! You are getting “warm.”

Q: (T) Okay. So, we are anchoring this. So, when they talk about 90 per cent of the population not surviving, it is not that they are going to die, but that they are going to transform. We are going to go up a level. This is what the whole light thing is all about?

A: Or another possibility is that the physical cataclysms will occur only for those “left behind” on the remaining 3rd level density earth.

Q: (T) Okay, what you are saying, then, is that we are anchoring the frequency, so that when the wave comes, we move to 4th level density as many people as possible, in order to break the hold the “Dark T-shirts” have got on this planet, those who remain behind will not have enough energy left for the “Dark T-shirts” to bother with the planet any longer. There will be less of them so the planet will be able to refresh and they will be able to move on in their lessons without interference?

A: Close.

Q: (L) At this point of dimensional transition, is what we are doing, anchoring a frequency, are we creating a sort of “super string” network that will literally create another earth in 4th density, which will then exist in 4th density, and the old 3rd density earth – almost like the splitting of a one celled organism, only in this splitting one half of it moves into another dimension and is energized and quite literally created by the anchoring frequency, while the old one remains and experiences 3rd density reality?

A: Step by step.

Q: (L) Are we anchoring frequency to create a split?

A: One developing conduit.

Q: (L) We are developing a conduit?

A: Yes. One.

Q: (J) How many conduits do we need?

A: Open.

Q: (T) Is this conduit going to allow those who remain behind to be able to move to 4th density easier when they are ready?

A: No.

Q: (T) What is the conduit for?

A: You and those who will follow you.

Q: (T) Oh, this is for those of us who will move to 4th density. We will move through and they will follow us through the conduit. (J) Oh, others who are ready?

A: Your group here tonight.

Q: (L) Does this mean we will have followers or just us here now?

A: Open. Up to you.

Q: (L) This conduit. Is this a conduit through which an entire planet will transition?

A: You are one. There are others.

Q: (L) There are other planets…

A: No. Conduit.

Q: We are one conduit and there are conduits…

A: No. Developing at this point.

Q: (J) So, at this point we are developing a conduit?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) There are other groups on this planet developing their own conduits?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) These are conduits for us to move to 4th density in?

A: Knowledge is the key to developing a conduit.

Q: (T) I am working on the assumption that all of us here are part of the family of light, is this true?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) And we have been drawn together in order to develop this conduit from where we are?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) Are there others in this area?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) Are they supposed to join with us or are they working on their own?

A: Open.

Q: (T) Okay, so it is up in the air as to whether we join with them, they join with us, or we all work independently.

A: It is up to how much publicity you manage to get.

Q: (T) Do we want publicity on this?

A: Open.

Q: (L) Would it help us?

A: Open.

Q: (T) We’re developing a conduit to move us from 3rd density to 4th density. Once we have moved through the conduit does that mean we have completed what we came here to do, and that is anchor the frequency?

A: Partly.

Q: (T) Is the conduit kind of like an escape hatch for us?

A: Close.

Q: (L) Let me get this straight. When we move through this conduit, are the other…

A: You will be on the 4th level earth as opposed to 3rd level earth.

Q: (L) What I am trying to get here, once again, old practical Laura, is trying to get a handle on practical terms here. Does this mean that a 4th density earth and a 3rd density earth will coexist side by side…

A: Not side by side, totally different realms.

Q: (L) Do these realms interpenetrate one another but in different dimensions…

A: Close.

Q: (L) So, in other words, a being from say, 6th density, could look at this planet we call the earth and see it spinning through space and see several dimensions of earth, and yet the point of space/time occupation is the same, in other words, simultaneous. (J) They can look down but we can’t look up.

A: Yes.

Q: (L) So, in other words, while all of this cataclysmic activity is happening on the 3rd dimensional earth, we will be just on our 4th dimensional earth and this sort of thing won’t be there, and we won’t see the 3rd dimensional people and they won’t see us because we will be in different densities which are not “en rapport”, so to speak?

A: You understand concept, now you must decide if it is factual.


2.27 November 27, 1994

Frank, Laura and LM

Q: Hello.

A: Hello. Illo.

Q: (L) Your name is Illo? Who are you and where are you from?

A: Cassiopaea.

Q: (L) I have a few little questions I want to ask, and I know they are personal and I know how you feel about personal questions but there is a reason for the importance of these questions. The first is why is it every time I think about sitting at the board my left ear starts doing strange things?

A: DNA responding.

Q: (LM) Why or how would DNA make your ear hurt?

A: Changes.

Q: (L) How can DNA changing affect an ear or shoulder, for example?

A: Complex; read “Bringers of the Dawn”.

Q: (L) My husband is really concerned about his truck. This may sound like a simple thing, but for us it is because we can’t just go and spend money on fixing it only to find out that is the wrong thing and something else needs fixing. We need to know what is wrong with it so that we can fix it with the least amount of expenditure.

A: Catalytic converter.

Q: (LM) It doesn’t have one. (L) He doesn’t have one. What is wrong with the truck?

A: Space where converter should be.

Q: (LM) Whoever is telling you this is abysmally mechanically ignorant. No 1978 truck ever had a catalytic converter.

A: Check it. Your assertion. Fuel line clogged at bottom where “cc” should be. {This proved to be absolutely correct! A rubber cap was missing which led to the obstruction and LM was amazed.}

Q: (L) Is it possible to do hypnotic future progressions that give accurate information in a general sense?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) In the book “Mass Dreams of The Future”, are these statistically analyzed mass dreams in any way accurate?

A: In a sense.

Q: (L) Is it possible, since they showed several different scenarios… why am I feeling so strange at this moment?

A: Anemic/low blood sugar.

Q: (L) So it is not an emotional reaction to my husband’s hostility? {LM had left the room.}

A: Maybe.

Q: (L) Well, in that sense, I would like to know.

A: Know what?

Q: (L) Are you sure you are a Cassiopaean?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Well, you don’t seem to be really in tune or accurate about what is going on here tonight. {I was assuming that the response about the truck was wrong.}

A: In tune, but your energies are low; it “takes two to tango”.

Q: (L) Now, last night you said you affected our psyches in order to have us make changes on the board. It occurred to me that you might have the ability to change the electromagnetics of the body which would then affect the physical body, is this correct?

A: Maybe.

Q: (L) So, could you perform an electromagnetic healing on me, that is, on the etheric or spirit body, which would then manifest in the physical body?

A: Do.

Q: (L) You do? Well, I would like to have more of it, more often. I would like you to speed up the process because I am fairly miserable in the physical sense. Is that possible?

A: Cycle will pass.

Q: (L) Well, I want to know why my arm hurts so bad and why my heart feels like an elephant is sitting on it?

A: Energy low.

Q: (L) Is the answer to that just simply to rest?

A: Yes. Absolutely. Last session was particularly draining. Don’t overdo it, just pace it.

Q: (L) Well, let’s go back to the truck. Do you think you can tap into anybody who is a mechanic and just give us…

A: Truck problem will be resolved by your tomorrow and will be easy to resolve.

Q: (L) I talked to T__ M__ tonight and I wonder if he is going to be willing and able to compensate Frank for the electric bill?

A: Yes. But explain in detail. And point out his good fortune.

Q: (L) I want a new vehicle. Look into the future for me, please, and tell me which is there for me around the corner, is it a car or a nice, big, van?

A: Either.

Q: (L) Is it very close in the future for me.

A: Maybe.

Q: (L) Now, I want to know in terms of this activity, what percentage of our energy is utilized in this channelling process? Is it say, 60% Frank and 40% me or whatever?

A: Varies.

Q: (L) With Jan and Terry here, is that a more energetic session?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Does it help to have more people in the room?

A: If they are not hostile.

Q: (L) Does hostility cut back the energy?

A: Immensely and negative moods as well.

Q: (L) Is LM more hostile and negative than he believes he is or than he lets on?

A: Varies.

Q: (L) Are you going to be able to do something to my psyche that is going to make my body start dropping tons of weight with no necessity for me to focus on that issue at all?

A: Not necessary, once project gets going, your energy will greatly increase, thus weight loss follows.

Q: (L) On many occasions I have had dreams about being on a train. What do these dreams mean to me?

A: Not significant.

Q: (L) What about the dreams of putting on make-up?

A: Hiding your self.

Q: (L) What level are the Pleiadians who channel through Barbara Marciniak?

A: 6th density.

Q: (L) Okay, I would like to know where A__ G__ is and what she is doing currently.

A: North Carolina, nursing.

Q: (L) Is she still with Tom?

A: No.

Q: (L) Why?

A: Split.

Q: (L) Where is he?

A: Tarpon Springs.

Q: (L) Why is he there?

A: Engineering.

Q: (L) What about C__ S__?

A: In Atlanta. Artist.

Q: (L) I talked to C__ P__ the other day, she seemed to be hostile. Is this a valid assessment?

A: Close.

Q: (L) Why does she feel this way?

A: Not on same wavelength.

Q: (L) Should I just forget her?

A: Up to you.


2.28 December 1, 1994

Frank, Laura, J__ and A__ (Two of Laura’s children)

Q: (L) Hello.

A: Hello. You like puppies.

Q: (L) And who do we have tonight?

A: Romommea.

Q: (L) Who are you and where are you from?

A: Cassiopaea.

Q: (L) Should A__ participate?

A: Should sit quietly; she’s at a “sensitive” age.

Q: (L) Does that mean it is better for her to not use the board?

A: Yes. Bad influences are near.

Q: (L) Bad influences are near? And what are these “bad” influences?

A: Discarnate “gargoyles”.

Q: (L) What are they near for?

A: A__ is near the board.

Q: (L) Should she sit in the other chair?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Is that better now?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And, what would these gargoyles like to do?

A: Overtake communication.

Q: (L) Well, begone! Did that do it?

A: No.

Q: (L) Well, tell them to scram.

A: We are free will, we can advise.

Q: (L) Well, then advise them to leave, please.

A: Open. There is much interference.

Q: (L) What can we do to enhance communication at this end?

A: Communication is best when pure.

Q: (L) What is not pure tonight? Is it my attitude or activities?

A: No.

Q: (L) What is not pure?

A: Interference.

Q: (L) What is causing the interference?

A: We are not certain.

Q: (L) Is there anything we can do… should we have the children leave the room?

A: Maybe.

Q: (L) If they leave the room will you be better able to communicate?

A: Thought patterns show static.

Q: (L) My thought patterns show static?

A: Someone’s.

Q: (L) Is it someone in this room?

A: Possibly, but not clear. It’s someone apart from channel.

Q: (L) What are M__ and S__ doing at this moment?

A: Unreadable.

Q: (L) Why is that?

A: Static energy field.

Q: (L) Is that possibly where the static is coming from?

A: Possible.

Q: (L) {J__ leaves and goes to bed} Okay, did that help?

A: Remember, children most vulnerable when attack underway. You are currently under psychic onslaught.

Q: (L) Okay. {A__ leaves and goes to bed} Is that better?

A: Better, but you are definitely being deliberately assaulted by some source right now.

Q: (L) Well, my ears are ringing to beat the band. What is this source?

A: Earth bound.

Q: (L) Is the originator of this negative energy Ms. S__ H__ who claims to have practiced witchcraft in her youth?

A: Maybe.

Q: (L) Is another of these attackers M__ F___ who also claims to have practiced witchcraft in his youth?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And is another one Mr. A__ B__ who claims to be Florida’s greatest sorcerer, if not the world’s?

A: Maybe.

Q: (L) Are they all in cahoots?

A: Maybe.

Q: (L) Can you give me any definite answers on this situation?

A: Static around all mentioned. Phone opened line of attack one attacker believes he has powers to damage you.

Q: (L) Is that attacker M__?

A: Maybe.

Q: (L) Okay, the situation is that, from any point of view, M__ and S__ have really treated me badly and I tried to be real low key and understanding and forgiving about the whole thing. However, when I learned that they had stolen from me, I got very upset. So, did I take the right approach in having my attorney send the demand letter to S__?

A: Yet to be seen.

Q: (L) Well, I decided that it was time for the buck to stop. These people have gone around doing what they are doing for as long as I am willing to tolerate not having my side heard. I never believed that people could be so vicious.

A: Will they share your beliefs?

Q: (L) Probably not, but I can only stay buried so long. And, it is definitely rattling some bushes.

A: Yes.

Q: (L) From your position of all-knowingness and all-seeingness, can you give me a little guidance on this?

A: No one is “all-knowing” and seeing.

Q: (L) Okay, you can’t see A__, M__ or S__, is that correct?

A: Static.

Q: (L) What is creating the static around them? Are they performing some Lizzie rituals?

A: Machinery of some kind is being used to create the static.

Q: (L) Are they doing this to protect themselves from some sort of imagined attack from me (because I am sure S__ has convinced them I am an evil witch)?

A: Assault upon Laura directly.

Q: (L) They are using some kind of machinery to attack me directly?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) What kind?

A: Lights, bells, smoke, siren, oscillator, EM waves.

Q: (L) Are they going to try to burn my house down?

A: Open.

Q: (L) I need to know, this is serious.

A: Cannot tell.

Q: (L) Well, what you have described sounds like a fire-truck.

A: Knowledge protects. We have helped you to gain knowledge.

Q: (L) So, I should just be alert and aware?

A: Good idea.

Q: (L) Did A__ B__ call M__?

A: Probable.

Q: (L) Is M__ the person who called earlier this evening?

A: Was some sort of device.

Q: (L) Who called after Frank was here and did not leave a message?

A: Same.

Q: (L) How come all of this stuff started happening today.

A: Energy flow and W__ “bush rattling.” From remote location.

Q: (L) How can M__ attack me from a remote location?

A: He may try machinery.

Q: (L) What kind of machinery could cause my house to burn?

A: Not could cause, thinks could cause. Machines are frightening S__.

Q: (L) What is the likelihood of S__ paying back what she owes me? It’s a lot of money.

A: Depends on course of events.

Q: (L) And what are the possible courses?

A: 956000 possibilities.

Q: (L) Is it better for the kids not to take the melatonin tonight in case M__ tries to burn my house down?

A: Okay either.

Q: (L) Should I just not have said or done anything?

A: Cannot “should have” done anything.

Q: (L) I would also like to ask you guys to use your abilities to counteract some of this influence in the sense of at least shielding.

A: Knowledge is shield.

Q: (L) Why is A__ depressed?

A: Biological changes.

Q: (L) Is it just a phase?

A: Close. S__ “crumbling”.

Q: (L) Why is she crumbling?

A: Mixed feelings.

Q: (L) Did she do the things she did toward me deliberately?

A: F__ heavy influence.

Q: (L) What does she think about F__ Now?

A: Getting progressively “spooked”.

Q: (L) By him?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Is she figuring out how crazy he is?

A: Subjective.

Q: (L) Are S__ and S__ S__ believers in the Gospel according to F__?

A: Naive.

Q: (L) Is this fiasco going to open their eyes?

A: Open.

Q: (L) Is there any other thing I need to know about this situation?

A: Just be aware.

Q: (L) Will I be able to sleep safely tonight?

A: Should, but pray.

Q: (L) And who should I pray to?

A: Same as always.

Q: (L) Is there such a being as St. Michael?

A: In a sense.

Q: (L) Which higher being is most able to help a person in a situation of danger?

A: Universe.

Q: (L) Pray to the Universe?

A: Refer to recent session.

Q: (L) And what was in the recent session that I need to refer to?

A: November 26.

Q: (L) What was in that session?

A: Universe.

Q: (L) About universes, alternate universes etc?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Anything else I need to know?

A: No.

Q: (L) Is it alright if we have Chuck attend?

A: Good boy!

Q: (L) Okay then, good night.

A: Good night.


2.29 December 3, 1994

Q: Hello.

A: Hello.

Q: (L) Who do we have with us tonight?

A: Wasanna.

Q: (L) V__ had an incident at school where a small pile of powder appeared on her books after she had put her head down on them. What was this?

A: Materialized thoughts passed through frontal lobe.

Q: (V) Well, that is just amazing.

A: Amazement is fun.

Q: (V) I would like to know the source of the tension between my mother and myself?

A: Maternal influences. Psychological anxiety. Mother daughter rivalry for male attention. Enough personal dilly dallys. Long message to follow. Pause: Ukraine explosion; chemical or nuclear. Hawaii crash; aviation, possibly involving military. More California seismic activity after 1st of year: San Diego, San Bernardino, North Bakersfield, Barstow: all are fracture points. Hollister, Palo Alto, Imperial, Ukiah, Eureka, Point Mendocino, Monterrey, Offshore San Luis Obispo, Capistrano, Carmel: these are all stress points of fracture in sequence. “Time” is indefinite. Expect gradual destruction of California economy as people begin mass exodus. Also, Shasta erupts; Lassen activity. Ocean floor begins to subside. Leave channel open and pause: Queen Elizabeth serious illness; blood related. Princess Diana suicide attempt. Gas explosions this winter in NE United States, Texas and other. Supernova and unusual weather all over. Memphis feels tremors. Minneapolis banking scandal relates to mysterious Nordic covenant. Evangelical sexual tryst exposed. Gold is discovered in California after one of the quakes. UFOs dramatic increase and Gulf Breeze gets swarmed, becomes massive “Mecca”. Laura sees much more UFO activity. Huge wave of UFO activity. All manner and origins. Just you wait, it will give you chills and that feeling in the pit of your stomach. Many aliens will appear and we will be visible too. Think of it as a convention. All must awaken to this. It is happening right now. The whole populace will play individual roles according to their individual frequencies. This is only the beginning. Just you wait “Henry Higgins,” just you wait!

Q: (L) Are you a Rodgers and Hammerstein fan? {While “Rodgers and Hammerstein” is what I said, and the creators of “My Fair Lady” were actually Lerner and Loew, the general intent of the question was “musical comedy”.}

A: Yes.

Q: (L) How do you relate to the Pleiadians?

A: Pleiadians are communicating with many others; we are bursting upon the scene with you, but we are essentially the same, just at slightly different focus points on the realm border.

Q: (L) Well, why is all this activity happening now?

A: The grand cycle is about to close presenting a unique opportunity.

Q: (L) Does this mean that this is a unique opportunity to change the future?

A: Future, past and present.

Q: (L) Well, that sort of makes me think that if things are not changed somewhat at this point on the grand cycle that things could get really direfully screwed up, is that correct?

A: But they won’t. You have not grasped concept.

Q: (L) Yeah I have, I got you, I understand. It’s just part of the cycle. It’s all a cycle. I mean their being here is part of us being here…

A: You do??? {inscribed giant question mark on board}

Q: (L) Do what?

A: You said you understood concept. Really? Learn.

Q: (L) Well, since you guys can do that {referring to the big question mark}, why can’t you teach us power symbols that will enhance our Reiki?

A: You are not ready.

Q: (L) But if we work on the Reiki will you teach us more power symbols?

A: Okay, we’ll give you one. {draws symbol}

Q: (L) What is this symbol called?

A: Anuki. Pronounced: AH - NEW - KEY.

Q: (V) And, as it applies to Reiki, what does it do? What does it represent?

A: Retention of energy at location most in need.

Q: (V) So, if we work on somebody, do we use the symbol at the beginning or at the end?

A: All Reiki you have as yet learned involves passage of healing energy, this one involves prolonged retention for strengthened power, thus results.

Q: (L) Where are you getting this from?

A: Access is Universal.

Q: (L) Did Dr. Usui also receive this and then not remember it?

A: Usui did not reveal all to Takata.

Q: (L) Why?

A: He was told that the knowledge was priceless and must not be wasted by too much dissemination particularly to those who do not have the burning desire for truth. Those who did, as you do, would find some way of accessing knowledge.

Q: (V) Are we also advised not to divulge this information?

A: As always, be discreet.

Q: (L) Is this something we should pass to ______ and ______ {referencing two local Reiki practitioners of our acquaintance}.

A: Open.

Q: (L) Is it necessary to line the points up and the ascending line with geometric precision?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And then, the circle elongated or more a perfect circle?

A: {Demonstration of drawing of circle part of symbol}

Q: (V) Has there ever been a crop circle that looks like this? It looks like one I saw.

A: Precisely. All are interrelated

Q: (L) Is it true that crop circles are a kind of grand Reiki being given to the planet?

A: But also messages and lessons.

Q: (Laura) Well, could it also be said that Reiki symbols as applied to the body are etheric messages to the etheric body?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Do they communicate information into our field, so to speak?

A: Everything that exists at all levels is just lessons.

Q: (L) Well, in the case of Reiki, what I specifically want to know is if, say an individual is psychically, spiritually, karmically, or otherwise wounded or discombobulated, does the application of Reiki symbols give messages to the electromagnetic field to re-form or re-arrange the pattern in the perfect pattern intended?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And can repeated application of this, can not only physical things, but also etheric things, be healed? That is karma and so forth?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) So that our continual use of Reiki and application to ourselves and each other literally would cleanse us from our karmic burdens, memories or scars of the soul?

A: Yes.

Q: (V) I am just concerned about the previously mentioned “convention”…

A: Convention is because of realm border crossing.

Q: (L) And why is there a convention attending this realm border crossing? I mean, is it just a “reely big shew!”

A: It is an opportunity.

Q: (V) As in the windows are all opening at one time so that all these beings can get in at one time?

A: As in an opportunity to affect whole universe. Picture cosmic playing of “Pomp and Circumstance” AKA “Hope and Glory.”

Q: (Laura) How can a convention with slews of different kinds and races of people, converging on a single little pin- point planet on the outer edges of an insignificant galaxy, at the farthest reaches of this enormous universe, affect the whole thing?

A: That is your perception.

Q: (L) Well, what is the correct perception? Is the planet earth and the people thereon, and the things that are going on in this spot, the earth specifically, more important than maybe we would ordinarily have thought?

A: The Earth is a Convergence point.

Q: (L) Has it always been a convergence point? Was it designed to be a convergence point? Or, is it just going to be a convergence point this once?

A: Too many questions at once.

Q: (L) Was it designed to be a convergence point from the beginning?

A: Natural function.

Q: (L) Has it been a convergence point all along? Is that why so many weird things happen here?

A: That is difficult to answer because you have no understanding of “time”.

Q: (V) Has this type of convention thing happened on other planets with other groups of beings?

A: Has, is, and will.

Q: (Laura) So, in other words, there are other planets, I don’t mean similar in structure or occupation, but other planets that are convergence points?

Q: (V) Are they parallel universes?

A: Drifting.

Q: (L) If these convergence points are scattered around the universe, is the convergence of this realm border crossing going to occur simultaneously at all points in the universe that are convergence points?

A: No.

Q: (L) It only happens at say one, or selected, convergence points at any given point?

A: Close.

Q: (L) So, do realm borders have something to do with location?

A: Realm borders ride waves.

Q: (L) And where do these waves come from?

A: They constantly cycle.

Q: (L) Does it have something to do with the movement of the planet earth into it or does it move onto us?

A: Either or.

Q: (F) Does this convention or convergence have something to do with the fact that there are living beings on the earth?

A: Yes. And because you are at critical juncture in development.

Q: (L) I would like to know in terms of prophecy if the prophecies you gave us in the first session are still valid and upcoming?

A: They are evolving.

Q: (L) Does that mean that they are evolving to the point that they are going to happen soon?

A: Fluid.

Q: (L) Does that mean that some of them may not happen?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And the prophecies that you gave tonight, are they subject to change also?

A: Maybe.

Q: (L) Are they more solid?

A: Open.

Q: (L) I would like to know who is communicating with Ken Carey. Who does he get this information from?

A: Many.

Q: (L) Are these individuals “good guys” from our perspective?

A: Yes, some. Some is corrupted.

Q: (L) Is some of the information that comes through this channel corrupted?

A: Not as yet.

Q: (L) Are the 6th density Orions, also known as Transient Passengers, are they the same TPs that have been referred to as the ones who genetically engineered us or put us here?

A: Close. They are Wave riders.

Q: (L) Are those groups that ride the wave, is riding the wave part of the definition of Transient Passengers?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Do they like to ride this wave?

A: Is it “fun” for you to live on earth?

Q: (L) Well, I like living on earth a great deal, but I don’t like pain and suffering, and I don’t like man’s inhumanity to man and I don’t like to see other people suffer.

A: Do you live on earth for amusement?

Q: (L) I would like to live on Earth for amusement but I haven’t had a whole heck of a lot of laughs since I have been here this time. I would like to have a life on the planet where things were pleasant…

A: You misunderstood.

Q: (L) I see what you are saying. That’s where they live because that’s where they live.

A: Yes.

Q: (F) In other words, did you choose to live on Earth because you bought a ticket? (Laura) I got it, Frank. I do want to ask about the “Course in Miracles” that is supposed to be channelled by Jesus Christ or the Holy Spirit. Is this true?

A: No.

Q: (L) What is the source that this is channelled from?

A: Variable sources.

Q: (L) Are they good guys?

A: Some.

Q: (L) So, even the “Course in Miracles” must be taken with a grain of salt?

A: Good idea.

Q: (L) I sent the answers to Karla, is this what she wanted?

A: Yes. She is diverted at the moment by others.

Q: (L) Is it possible to do hypnotic future progressions and get accurate responses?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) In the book “Mass Dreams of the Future,” there are 4 scenarios described; are all of these scenarios accurate in terms of general experience?

A: Possible futures.

Q: (L) So, when a person does a future progression, they are seeing a possible future and not necessarily…

A: Depends on quality of channel.

Q: (L) So, some people can be hypnotically progressed and get really accurate information?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) I would like to know, in the description of the Pentecost, it was said that the disciples gathered in a room and prayed for days and days and suddenly a wind came rushing in and flames danced over their heads and they all began speaking in tongues. I would like to know if this event or something similar occurred?

A: No.

Q: (L) In other words, the true baptism of the “Holy Spirit” was when Jesus breathed on his disciples and transmitted something like the Reiki initiation?

A: Close.

Q: (L) Now, I had an experience a number of years ago when I was in church, when it seemed to me that I was speaking in tongues. Was that, in fact, what happened to me?

A: Suggestion.

Q: (L) It was suggested to me and therefore that is what occurred?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Was any kind of psychic event occurring to me at that time?

A: Close.

Q: (L) Who or what energy is behind Jacques Vallee, the great scientist, investigator and writer? Sometimes it seems like he is missing the point and sometimes it seems like he is the only one who knows what is going on.

A: He means well and his intentions are pure and good.

Q: (L) What did Jesus look like? How tall was he?

A: 5’9”

Q: (L) What color eyes did he have?

A: Blue.

Q: (L) What color hair did he have?

A: Strawberry blond.

Q: (L) What was his skin tone?

A: Fair.

Q: (L) What was his weight?

A: 160.

Q: (L) Was he muscular?

A: Average.

Q: (L) Was he what we would consider handsome?

A: Open.

Q: (L) Is there anybody I or Frank would know who bears a resemblance to him in facial features?

A: Maybe.

Q: (L) Could you name someone?

A: Scanning….

Q: (L) Okay what was his occupation?

A: Carpenter.

Q: (L) Did he own his own home?

A: No.

Q: (L) Did John the Baptist really lose his head?

A: No.

Q: (L) In talking about the new level of being after transition to 4th density, will this be something like what is described in the book “Celestine Prophecy?”

A: Close.

Q: (L) Is the carbon 14 dating process fairly accurate, if not, what is its major weakness?

A: To an extent.

Q: (L) What is its major weakness?

A: Same as yours.

Q: (L) Which is?

A: “Time” does not exist.

Q: (L) When was the last time a realm border crossed as far as the earth is concerned?

A: As you measure, on Earth, 309,000 years ago.

Q: (L) What does this wave consist of in terms of energy?

A: Feeling.

Q: (L) This wave is feeling? It is a wave of emotion?

A: Hyperkinetic sensate.

Q: (L) What does that mean?

A: All.

Q: (L) We don’t understand

A: Too complex for this medium.

Q: (L) Okay. How many times has the wave come and involved the earth as we know it?

A: Infinite number.

Q: (L) I would like to know if the Shroud of Turin was ever wrapped around Jesus.

A: No.

Q: (L) Was it wrapped around somebody who was crucified?

A: No.

Q: (L) How was it made?

A: Wrapped around Roman worker.

Q: (L) What caused the image on the shroud?

A: Body oils, hormones and other physiological chemicals.

Q: (L) Well, the kids have wanted me to ask this one for a long time and I keep forgetting. There was a woman out in California who was taken to the emergency room. Several attendants and a doctor collapsed while treating her and there was a big hoopla about contaminated blood.

A: Air conditioning system spread pesticides.

Q: (L) Recently there was a supposed secret diary of Edgar Cayce reported in the tabloids. Was there such a diary?

A: No.

Q: (L) I received an article from Piers about experiments by a fellow named Persinger who has been trying to duplicate the “abduction” experience by subjecting people to EM fields in a sensory deprivation chamber. I would like comments on that, and second…

A: Nonsense, some have closed mind inspired by fear.

Q: (L) My concern is that if he is doing this to people, and we have talked about electromagnetic energy blowing holes in the dimensional boundaries, my concern is that this experimentation could be detrimental to the persons being experimented on; is this a possibility?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) What could be the results of subjecting someone to these electromagnetic fields?

A: Cessation of body.

Q: (L) In other words, it could kill them?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Could it also open doors between dimensions and allow other things to enter in?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Could they be subjected to spirit or demonic possession by this method?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Could they also be subjected to further programming by aliens through this method?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Anything else you wish to say on this?

A: Always keep open mind.

Q: (L) Are there any psychological effects that could occur to a person as a result of this type of experimentation?

A: Maybe.

Q: (L) In the establishing of an ongoing connection between an abductee and the abductor, what methods or techniques are used? Is it a psychic bond?

A: Close.

Q: (L) Is it formed technologically?

A: Partly.

Q: (L) There are so many stories of the “gazing” process where the alien controls that abductee by staring into their eyes and the abductee feels full of love and harmony and thereby thinks that the experience is beneficial. This makes me wonder just exactly what is the purpose of this “gazing”?

A: Hypnotic.

Q: (L) Does it also form a bond?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) What is the substance of this bond? Is there a psychic cord or connection and is it true that the same…

A: Channel wavering…. (planchette spinning around board)

Q: (L) Is that all you are going to say on that?

A: Please say good night.

Q: (L) Why?

A: Energy going.

Q: (Laura) Are you tired Frank? (F) Not particularly. (Laura) Well they have never had their energy go before… and, especially since I am asking this particular question… is there some reason you do not want to answer this particular question?

A: Save…

Q: (L) Goodnight


2.30 December 5, 1994

Frank, Laura, V__

Q: (L) Hello.

A: Hello.

Q: (L) Celestial dudes! {Laura and V__ had been trying to make contact prior to arrival of Frank and were commenting on the fact that not so much as a nudge came from the planchette.}

A: Look upon that as a sign.

Q: (L) A sign of what?

A: Kindly remove ridge from board.

Q: {Adjustments made}

A: Move board away from center of table.

Q: {Further adjustments made} (L) Is that better?

A: Okay.

Q: (L) Now, look upon what as a sign?

A: Channel.

Q: (L) Channel? How is that a sign channel? I don’t get it?

A: Who? {draws large question mark}

Q: (L) Who?

A: Is.

Q: (L) Okay, you mean who is the channel?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) They are trying to tell us Frank is the channel. Who do we have with us tonight? {Clearly, this was Frank himself who felt threatened by the fact that anyone try the board without him, as became abundantly clear later.}

A: Urua.

Q: (L) I have a number of questions prepared. Now, the beginning questions may seem a little bit personal, and we understand that you are STO. We are in need of a little service tonight. Is this alright?

A: Okay, but you are supposed to be moving toward STO.

Q: (L) Well, we are. The answering of some of these questions will stabilize certain aspects of our lives which will then enable us to devote ourselves more fully to helping others. Is that understandable?

A: Turn board, please.

Q: (L) Which way?

A: Not important, just turn slightly.

Q: (L) Will that do it?

A: Okay.

Q: (L) First question asked by neighbor down the street, what is the nature of the frog phenomenon.

A: Drugs.

Q: (L) How does this relate to drugs?

A: Left over influence.

Q: (L) Where are these frogs coming from?

A: Energy brings.

Q: (L) His energy manifests them? Or the drug energy manifests them?

A: Same.

Q: (L) Same? So, these are a manifestation of the frequency of drug use, is that a way of stating it?

A: Past drug use.

Q: (L) It is his own and not anyone else in the house?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) What do the frogs signify? What is the symbolism of the frogs?

A: Not signify, consequence.

Q: (L) Are these actual, physical frogs coming from somewhere?

A: Brought on.

Q: (L) I don’t understand. Are we talking in circles here?

A: Your perception.

Q: (L) Well, if you are a STO being, isn’t our perception the one that matters? The one you are serving by clarification?

A: Serve by help to learn, learn by using mind. Direct answers don’t help to learn.

Q: (L) Okay, is there anything this individual can do to…

A: What would you do?

Q: (L) What would I do in his situation? Well, I would quit all drugs, I would begin meditating, and I would try in all ways to straighten myself out because a bunch of desiccated frogs suddenly appearing all over the place in my house would probably freak me out.

A: Yes, and? (large question mark)

Q: (L) Obviously I am supposed to think of something else…


Q: (L) What does that mean? Is that an abbreviation?

A: Yes. You have used the two words together extensively recently. Okay now, is part of book title.

Q: (L) Spirit Releasement Therapy?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Okay, so what this person needs is spirit releasement?

A: Bingo!

Q: (L) And so, what did we just learn from all of that?

A: How to use your mind.

Q: (L) Okay, so he has some attachments. V__’s friend, B__ P__ says she has channelled in the past. Who does she channel?

A: Lizards.

Q: (V__) When she was channelling did she realize… well, obviously she didn’t realize…

A: Most channel them.

Q: (V__) So, then, it wouldn’t be advisable to compare her channelled information with this information?

A: Up to you.

Q: (L) My mom wants to know about the physical condition of the lady she is taking care of whose name is M__ F__. Is there anything she can do to improve the condition of this lady. Or, can you tell how long this lady will be in this plane?

A: Rub for circulation.

Q: (L) Is there any possibility of this lady getting better so that she can get about on her own to any extent?

A: Always possible.

Q: (L) What is the likelihood of her acceptance of getting better soon?

A: Open.

Q: (L) Okay, is it seen in the immediate future that this lady has chosen to transition?

A: Open.

Q: (L) Mother also wanted me to ask if it would be advisable to invest funds in the marketing of my face cream?

A: Please understand, we are not here to lead you by the hand, because, that would interfere with your free will, which is how you learn, which is how you progress.

Q: (L) Well, all things considered, I would still like to know if investing money in that project would be one of the better courses of action to take as far as developing a source of income.

A: What have we just told you?

Q: (L) Yeah, yeah. Is P__ Z__ going to accept the paper work for the mortgage assignment as it is being drawn up?

A: What are you going to do to help yourself?

Q: (L) Well, I am actually asking this as a test question to test your ability to predict because it doesn’t matter a whole lot if he accepts it the way it’s being drawn up because if he wants to have it changed we can always change it. It’s no big deal.

A: This is deteriorating into a personal forum.

Q: (L) Well, somehow I don’t feel that it is wrong to ask personal questions to test our source because that is the only way we can determine what kind of information we are getting.

A: Ask test questions that potentially affect all. P__ Z__ is not particularly well known in Katmandu, for example.

Q: (L) I would like to ask about a book called the “I AM” discourses. Could you tell us the source of this book?

A: Good.

Q: (L) What density level is the source of this book?

A: Sixth level.

Q: (L) Can you tell us the name of the group behind this book?

A: All is one and the same.

Q: (L) As a service to another person can we get a health reading?

A: Is this of benefit to all?

Q: (L) Well, does this mean that we are going to be restricted forever to general questions that we can’t verify?

A: Verification is not dependent upon personal nature. It is not STO if it limits.

Q: (V) So, asking about just one person is not service to all, it is just service to the one person?

A: And you.

Q: (L) Well, I am starting to wonder… I mean, if I didn’t have to go back and start all over on prehistoric earth, in the primordial soup, I would think this STO road is just a little bit rough.

A: No pain, no gain.

Q: (L) I don’t want any more pain!

A: You are in the wrong place then.

Q: (F) I think this should be noteworthy, if Karla Turner claims that you can’t trust anything that comes from this source because it will only tell you what it wants you to hear and so forth, this proves that this source does not just tell us what we want to hear. (L) Most assuredly {Speaking sarcastically}. (F) It sometimes tells us what we don’t want to hear and sometimes it tells us what ever it feels like. Another thing that should be noteworthy is, every time you try to do something to verify something, it keeps answering that verification does not depend upon personal information. (L) Does this mean that I have to can my last three questions?

A: Aren’t things of universal significance more important?

Q: (L) Well, didn’t you say before, when I was asking things that had to do with the various events of the past two years that knowledge of them was protection. If that is the case, why can’t I ask about these things now?

A: Yes, but we have repeatedly told all you need to know for your protection.

Q: (L) In regards to my protection and V__’s and Frank’s, and this is going to be the last on this series of questions, V__ and I both received cards from A__ B__ who, as you know, is hooked up with the metaphysical church group, I also received a card from S__ V__ who is hooked up with G__ and J__, is there any underlying motivation from these individuals to send these cards and should we just disregard them?

A: Up to you.

Q: (F) Well, Laura, you can’t ask for advice every step of the way on how to deal with everybody you know. (L) I know. (V) Have I been abducted in the last month?

A: No.

Q: (V) Do we need to interpret our dreams through this source?

A: Why not?

Q: (L) You mean you will discuss our dreams?

A: Up to you.

Q: (L) What a relief! A concession! Okay, I had a dream last night, I dreamed about large mechanical flying “V’s” that had flapping wings like metal bat boxes. They scared me. Then, I was with my family and we were going to see my cousin who is deceased and she had just had a baby. The baby was walking and talking and quoting Shakespeare. My Aunt got very upset and said it was unseemly because the baby was illegitimate and she walked out. The baby was only 10 days old. My aunt ran out the door and said it was evil.

A: Suggestion, get on computer net ASAP.

Q: (L) In other words, I really need to take my computer down and get the A drive fixed etc and log onto the network?

A: Yes.

Q: (V) What does that have to do with the dream? (Laura) I think it relates back to when Terry and Jan were here and we were talking about dreams and the suggestion was given to hook up to the network and discuss and share dreams. Like a dream forum kind of thing. Is there any significance to the ten days in this dream?

A: When you network, your entire life will dramatically improve immediately! See, sometimes we do advise when appropriate.

Q: (L) Alright. Point well taken. Would you please elaborate on the concept that alien abductions are “the scourge of God” and are manifested so that consciousness may grow and differentiate itself by a refusal to accept negative experience within the delusive material world?

A: Nonsense!

Q: (L) Well, that was real elaborate! Would you comment on the Biblical command to not make graven images. Why was this command issued?

A: In order to prevent control by too many sources.

Q: (L) How would not making graven images prevent control by other or too many sources?

A: Deception.

Q: (L) Who issued this command to not make graven images?

A: Central.

Q: (L) What is “Central?”

A: Level 7.

Q: (L) What is the true symbolism of the Egyptian scarab and why was it invented?

A: Operation.

Q: (L) The symbolism was operation? What do you…

A: Was an operation.

Q: (L) How was a scarab an operation?

A: Think. Action.

Q: (L) The scarab is a dung beetle. It rolls dung into little balls. Am I onto something here?

A: Continue.

Q: (L) And supposedly the scarab symbolized eternal life because it represented the rolling of the sun… oh dear, wait a minute… the rolling of the sun across the sky is what the Egyptians understood… but what the dung beetle really does is simply rolls dung up into little balls… is this the operation you are talking about… the rolling of dung into little balls?

A: Close.

Q: (L) Well, that’s all I know about the scarab so you are going to have to help me out here.

A: Life cycle.

Q: (L) Okay, the life cycle. I would like to know what force was behind the rise and domination of Oliver Cromwell?

A: Lizards.

Q: (L) Okay, there is a woman named Jane Allyson who channels an entity known as Zeena. I would like to know who or what is Zeena?

A: Just Jane.

Q: (L) So, she is just channelling herself? What is the significance of the number 444 as repeated by Cytron, a robot channelled by Jane Allyson, a super cyborg?

A: Zilch. {Much laughter}

Q: (L) I would like to know what is the Karmic ramification of the killing of those two little boys in South Carolina by their mother? Everybody in the U.S. will be interested in this one, maybe not Katmandu, though.

A: Pain teaches.

Q: (L) And, in this case is the mother suffering the pain?

A: And all others involved including the whole nation. All is lessons.

Q: (L) Did these two little boys volunteer to come in for this purpose?

A: Yes. Were higher density beings on mission.

Q: (L) Do 4th density STO’s feed off of 3rd density energy?

A: No.

Q: (L) I would like to ask about the “Starseed Transmissions”. I would like to know about the Bird Tribes. What is this source?

A: Ken Carey is only channelling his alternate self.

Q: (V) Who are good channels, then, if every one we ask about is channelling themselves or false channels, who can we look to as a clean channel?

A: We have already told you of one example.

Q: (L) Barbara Marciniak?

A: This session.

Q: (L) The I Am discourses?

A: Review. Graven images.

Q: (Laura) Could you tell me what source of information was behind the…

A: Akashic records.

Q: (V) I wanted to ask about that and I had totally forgotten! Are the Akashic records the same thing as the source that you called “Central?”

A: No.

Q: (L) Are the Akashic records the same source that the I Am discourses come from?

A: All is one at base but different “branches”.

Q: (L) Was Nostradamus getting his information from the Akashic records?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) So, Nostradamus’ quatrains, if interpreted correctly, would actually be valid.

A: Interpretation is the key.

Q: (L) If we were to hold a series of sessions about the quatrains of Nostradamus, would you be able to help us interpret them?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Would that be a worthwhile project for us?

A: Up to you.

Q: (L) Are the 6th density STS individuals that you indicated are the Orions, these are the same beings, I understand, that genetically engineered or created mankind, is that correct?

A: No.

Q: (L) Are they the first to alter us after creation?

A: Close.

Q: (L) Are the 6th density Orions known as Transient Passengers?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) So there are Transient Passengers that are STO as well as STS?

A: TP is “wanderer”.

Q: (L) And what is a wanderer?

A: TP.

Q: (L) Well, the idea of the Wanderers, according to the Ra Material, is 4th or 5th density beings that have chosen to come back into 3rd density to help us. Would that be the same kind of Wanderer?

A: 5th or 6th density.

Q: (L) Is Frank a Wanderer?

A: Open.

Q: (L) Am I or V__?

A: Open.

Q: (V) What if we felt like we were?

A: Check it out.

Q: (L) How?

A: How would you think?

Q: (V) Faith, I guess, and how I feel. What else do you have to go on?

A: Not answer, try again.

Q: (L) Would hypnosis be the solution?

A: Bingo!

Q: (L) Okay. Now, I would like to know, for the sake of all the Theosophists around the world, what was the source of the information in the book “Isis Unveiled” by Helena Blavatsky?

A: Orions STS and STO. 6th Density.

Q: (L) So, her information was from both sides? And it is up to the reader to figure out which is which?

A: Good idea.

Q: (L) Is there any possibility that the information we get through this source is STS oriented?

A: Yes. Always possibility.

Q: (L) I would like to know what is the definition of, and would you describe for us, a dimensional curtain?

A: Self-explanatory. Think.

Q: (L) When we are talking about dimensional curtains we are talking about divisions at the same level of density, is that correct?

A: Maybe.

Q: (L) Can dimensional curtains be between dimensions at the same level of density?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Are dimensional curtains also something that occurs between levels of density?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) So, a dimensional curtain is a point at which some sort of change takes place… what causes this change?

A: Nature.

Q: (L) In specific terms of the engineering of it, what defines this change?

A: Experience.

Q: (L) Is it in any way related to atomic or quantum physics or the movement of atoms?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Okay. An atom is in 3rd density. What distinguishes it from an atom in 4th density?

A: Reality.

Q: (L) What distinguishes one realm from another?

A: Assumptions.

Q: (L) Okay, what you assume or expect is what you perceive about that atom depending upon which reality you are in, is that correct?

A: Close.

Q: (L) What determines your assumptions?

A: Experience.

Q: (L) My experience of atoms is that they congregate in such a way as to form solid matter…

A: Every thing that exists is merely a lesson.

Q: (L) Okay, so once we have learned certain lessons, as in experience of certain things, then our assumptions change?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Okay, is this wave that is coming our direction going to give us an experience that is going to change our assumptions?

A: Catch 22: One half is that you have to change your assumptions in order to experience the wave in a positive way.

Q: (L) And what does this wave consist of in absolute terms?

A: Realm border.

Q: (L) Is that realm border as in a cut-off point between one reality and another?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Is that realm border as in dimensional curtain?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) So the planet earth is going to pass through a dimensional curtain?

A: Or an earth. All is merely a lesson, and nothing, repeat nothing, more.

Q: (L) Well, my experience with lessons has been that they are generally painful. Is this realm border crossing, or this merging experience going to be what we, or I, in the 3rd density, would perceive as painful?

A: Wait and see.

Q: (V) Is the realm border 3rd density?

A: Have answered; stop and contemplate.

Q: (L) What exactly are crop circles and how are they formed? I know we have asked about crop circles before, but I would like to know the specific mechanism by which they are formed?

A: Not issue, but energy vortex.

Q: (L) Does this energy vortex arise from within the earth itself?

A: No.

Q: (L) Where does this energy vortex issue from?

A: Here. Sixth density.

Q: (L) Do you want to give us more on the wave, or realm curtain?

A: No, not at this time. You have enough for now. Goodnight.


2.31 December 9, 1994

Frank and Laura

Q: (L) Hello.

A: Hello.

Q: (L) And who do we have with us this evening?

A: {Name lost}

Q: (L) And where are you from?

A: Cassiopaea.

Q: (L) Now, tell me the name of the beings D__ M__ experienced as preying Mantises in her hypnosis session?

A: Her essence.

Q: (L) But, in that reality don’t they have a name?

A: Too complex to answer adequately in this medium.

Q: (L) Well, you said that the beings that V__ encountered were Minturians, aren’t they the same?

A: No.

Q: (L) Is there a difference between essence beings and incarnate beings?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) So we have a distinct difference. Okay, who were the ant/fly beings she described?

A: Her essence too.

Q: (L) And what were those snakey, slug-like beings that she saw?

A: Same.

Q: (L) Are you saying that all of this stuff is who she is? All of these horrible creatures and these..

A: In some of the alternate realities.

Q: (L) Do I have creatures like that that are my essence?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) My essence is something that horrible and dark and icky?

A: Subjective.

Q: (L) Well, weren’t those horrible icky beings eating little children? Weren’t those real human children?

A: How do you think you are viewed by deer, for example?

Q: (L) Well, I can immediately see that. I saw that already. I mean, cows and chickens would have to view us that way. I mean, it’s pretty gross.

A: Roaches, too.

Q: (L) Is that why the night before D__’s session, I dreamed of ants that I could have stepped on and smashed, and for some reason I decided I did not want to take the life of even a single ant?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Was that dream preparing me for what I was going to experience in that session?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Well, what do we do about these essence parts of ourselves? I mean, I don’t like it that there may be something of the predator in me. I would like to not have it, or get rid or it, or transform it, or whatever.

A: Wait and see.

Q: (L) Well, am I going to have to remember myself doing things like that in order to come to terms with it?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Is that going to happen to me, that I am going to have memories like that surfacing?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Well, I can’t even cope with it in someone else, how am I going to deal with it in myself?

A: You will.

Q: (L) Is this something we are all going to have to do?

A: All eligible.

Q: (L) And who is eligible?

A: 4th density candidates.

Q: (L) Is Frank going to have to remember these things, too?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) How does one know that one is a 4D candidate?

A: You gradually “awaken”.

Q: (L) Are my children 4D candidates? And my husband? You have to tell me this. If I have to deal with things, let me do it a little at a time.

A: You are not in correct frame of mind.

Q: (L) Well, that sounds ominous.

A: Wait for answer.

Q: (L) Wait until when?

A: You are ready.

Q: (L) So, in other words, some people may have to leave behind children or mates, or siblings or parents, is that true?

A: If so, will be prepared.

Q: (L) Is there any way to tell if someone is a 4D candidate?

A: Inquire of them.

Q: (L) And, will they know?

A: Yes, at some level. In a sense. Those who are chosen feel it. You will know.

Q: (L) Well, I happen to think that my family is extremely special.

A: So do all.

Q: (L) I have taken a great deal of time and care with spiritual matters. Is that because it was my obsession or did they choose me because of this?

A: Open.

Q: (L) Did the Minturians, the preying mantis beings that V__ experienced in her regression, did those preying mantises eat people?

A: Too complex for your thought patterns of this session. You are upset.

Q: (L) Well, is that what is wrong with me tonight. You aren’t telling me much.

A: Biological, and we are telling plenty, you are not “hearing” because biological factors have temporarily pushed you back more into 3D.

Q: (L) Would it be a good idea to do the Reiki exercises and stop the cycle?

A: Your cycle may stop soon anyway.

Q: (L) Well, is it true that that exercise, when it stops your cycle, it also stops the aging process?

A: Somewhat.

Q: (L) Would it be beneficial.

A: Maybe.

Q: (L) But, I thought you guys said I had another baby waiting to come in?

A: Does not necessarily mean will make it.

Q: (L) So, am I going through the change here?

A: Not yet.

Q: (L) When will it start?

A: Open.

Q: (L) Is S__ going to pay me the money she owes me?

A: Maybe.

Q: (L) What are the odds?

A: Depends on your efforts.

Q: (L) Does that mean that I have to now send her a certified letter through my attorney?

A: Up to you.

Q: (L) And, if I do this, will she pay?

A: Maybe.

Q: (L) Have the B__’s made their final payment to Fleet?

A: Not yet.

Q: (L) Will they pay on Monday?

A: Probably.

Q: (L) When will I get my SSI check?

A: Within 10 days?

Q: (L) When will I get my monthly check?

A: The same.

Q: (L) And how much will the back pay be?

A: 3000 approximately.

Q: (L) And how much will we get from Paul with the deed to the house?

A: Open.

Q: (L) Back, a year or so ago, when we talked to Keith on the board, and you verified that it was Keith, Keith gave us a set of numbers that came in within 8 days of the day he gave them to us. Now, if he, as an earthbound spirit, was capable of giving us a set of numbers that came in within 10 days, could you not do the same?

A: Maybe, when all is well.

Q: (L) In other words, when I am not in this crummy mood?

A: Okay.

Q: (L) Is there any qualification that needs to be established for us to get the lottery numbers? Is there some thing we have to do, or be, or think, or say?

A: Completely pure intent, i.e. open.

Q: (L) Completely open?

A: Nonanticipatory.

Q: (L) Our anticipation constricts the channel when we ask for that kind of information?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) We have to be completely uncaring whether we get it or not, so to speak?

A: Happy-go-lucky attitude helps. As you were before.

Q: (L) So, as long as we are worried, tense, anticipatory, and attached to the idea, we constrict the flow?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Now, you said in an earlier session that you were making financial arrangements for us. Well, I am not putting any weight or pressure on that, but, does that have anything to do with M__ T__ and referrals for hypnosis?

A: Maybe. Don’t be anticipatory. Faith, dear.

Q: (L) Thank you and good night.

A: Good night.


2.32 December 10, 1994

Frank, Laura, Terry and Jan.

Q: (L) Hello.

A: Hello. Poinsettia.

Q: (L) What?

A: Just came to mind.

Q: (L) Is that in our minds?

A: No, ours.

Q: (L) Who do we have with us tonight?

A: Cassiopaea calling.

Q: (L) What is your name?

A: Rodann.

Q: (L) I want to ask again for the benefit of Terry and Jan, what or who were the beings seen by DM in her hypnotic regression the other night? {This session is recounted in the Wave in some detail including direct transcript.}

A: Her essence.

Q: (L) Were these in any way physical beings on the earth we occupy in space/time from where we are at this moment?

A: No.

Q: (L) This happened in a so-called alternate reality?

A: Is still.

Q: (L) So, in some alternate reality, DM is a preying mantis being eating little children?

A: And so are you. And all others.

Q: (L) This is an essence of what?

A: Her being.

Q: (L) Are these aspects of our being coming to earth as part of the realm border crossing?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Are all of us going to have to face these aspects of ourselves as other beings?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Are there other parts of us in all realms doing other things at this moment?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And how is this going to be affected by the realm border crossing?

A: Will merge.

Q: (L) Do we need to do extensive hypnosis to bring these aspects of ourselves up and deal with these things a little at a time?

A: Will happen involuntarily. Will be like a thermonuclear blast. Message follows: See pattern. Orion, Pleiades, Arcturas, Cassiopaea; check distances from earth; progress locator for wave combined with earth references of space time. For you to figure out. Cross reference channelled messages, printing dates and location. We are where we are.

Q: (L) What do you mean you are where you are?

A: Cross reference Time and distance.

Q: (L) What book do we need to cross reference?

A: Any star chart and Marciniak, Arcturas Channel, Orion literature and Us. We speak from “crest” of wave, now, where are we?

Q: (L) Is this a riddle?

A: From, not of.

Q: (L) You speak from the crest of the wave? (T) Are you riding the wave?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) You said in another reading that you were 6 thousand miles…

A: Window of transmission.

Q: (L) We are certainly hoping that you are going to make all of this plain and clear…

A: It is.

Q: (L) Well, can you help us poor 2 strand DNA creatures to understand this?

A: How far away is Cassiopaea?

Q: (L) Do we need specific distances?

A: General is okay.

Q: (L) So, if we just find the general distances… and does each of these star clusters represent a general area of the wave?

A: Each represents locator in space time. You can judge speed and ETA by cross referencing distance with publishing dates and these messages from us.

Q: (L) I got it! You mean that YOU are the Arcturians, the Pleiadians, and now you are the “Cassiopaeans” because you “are where you are”! And you are riding the wave. Is this wave a straight line connecting all these constellations?

A: Circuitous or cyclical route.

Q: (L) So, is it like a spiral?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) So we really need to set up a map so we can draw it?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) When we speak from Orion we are “Orions”. When from Pleiades, we are “Pleiadian”, and so on.

Q: (L) So, all of these channelled books you have mentioned are coming from the same basic source, through different channels, that they are able to connect with because of their different positions in space time and preparation level of the channels, is that correct?

A: Close. We have given you a Wave crest locator. We are from where we are and speak. Get it?

Q: (L) You are the wave crest?

A: We are Marciniak’s Pleiadians. We are where we are.

Q: (T) So, you are not really Cassiopaeans from the Constellation Cassiopia?

A: We are Transient Passengers.

Q: (T) So, when the wave reaches earth and you are transmitting to somebody else out there you will represent yourselves as the “Terrans?”

Q: When wave reaches earth, we merge with you.

A: (L) When you were at Orion, did you merge with the Orions?

A: Not on same frequency for realm border crossing.

Q: (L) What effect did the wave have on the Orion sector?

A: None. Already at 4th density level.

Q: (L) Where did the wave originate?

A: Did not.

Q: (L) Has it always been cycling through the universe?

A: Close.

Q: (T) Okay, you are riding on the crest of this wave in 6th density, is this true?

A: Yes. We are you in 6th density.

Q: (T) You are we, that is me Terry, Laura, Jan and Frank?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Are you alternate selves extending into higher densities?

A: At your current reference point in space time, we are you in the future.

Q: (T) We are your destiny?

A: And vice versa.

Q: (L) You are not, by any chance, one of those weird ant or preying mantis beings are you?

A: Yes and no.

Q: (T) You are just another part of ourselves? You, us, the Lizards, the ants, the grays, the trees…

A: We are your whole self as you/we are in 6th density.

Q: (T) So, what we are working to become is You? You are us?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) So, when we move to 4th density and become whole with ourselves, we will know you also for a short time?

A: Not whole yet when at 4th density.

Q: (T) But in order to move to 4th density…

A: Closer.

Q: (T) We, us, in this room, are closer than others are?

A: No. Closer when at 4th density.

Q: (L) When S__ was under hypnosis she described seeing a fleet of space ships “riding a wave” and this unnerved her. She felt this wave was a fearful, invasion-type thing. Was this you and your wave she was perceiving?

A: Wave is transport mode.

Q: (L) Is that transport mode for many beings?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Are you coming to invade us?

A: No, merge.

Q: (L) Are others coming with the intention of invading us?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And, when you merge with us, are you going to empower us to resist and defend ourselves?

A: Wave is “crowded.”

Q: (T) So, everybody out in the whole universe who want a piece of the earth action are on this wave?

A: At realm border crossing.

Q: (L) Let me ask a couple of quick questions to get them out of the way, unless you have something you really… I mean, you pretty much gave us what we need on that… this channelled material received here…

A: Oh yeah?

Q: (L) Well, I guess they are telling me that we did not get all we needed on that subject. But, we can come back to it.

A: You may ask questions if you wish.

Q: (L) Well, I don’t want to cramp anybody’s style here. (T) Oh, go ahead, they’re crowded on the wave already anyway. Okay, here is a transcript I received in the mail from a group called “Cosmic Awareness”….

A: Dezinformatzia.

Q: (T) Well, I love a 6th density being with a sense of humor. (L) Has the base at area 51 been moved to Kirtland as this stuff says?

A: No.

Q: (T) Is there a base at area 51?

A: Yes. Kirtland has a new addition.

Q: (L) Is the base at area 51 where our military and aliens are working in conjunction?

A: They have recovered craft of grays, but human and alien personnel are not working together there.

Q: (T) Are the craft actually captured?

A: Recovered from crash.

Q: (T) Have any alien beings given the government craft?

A: No.

Q: (L) Why not?

A: Would you give mice tv sets?

Q: (L) How do these insect beings, these other manifestations of ourselves, how do they view our treatment of insects on this planet?

A: Unconcerned.

Q: (L) Is that because the insects on our planet are not sentient beings?

A: Different.

Q: (T) How do the insect beings handle insects on their planet?

A: They are the insects on their planet.

Q: (L) Do they have pests on their planet like little miniature humans that run around and tear up their groceries? (T) Any energizer bunnies?

A: Mirth!

Q: (L) But really, do they have pests?

A: No.

Q: (L) Well, with serious intent, do they have pests on their planet like we do?

A: No. Microbic.

Q: (L) Well, do they exterminate them like we do?

A: No.

Q: (L) Can we understand our pests as something that has been inflicted on us by the Lizzies. I always did wonder why God created mosquitos?

A: No.

Q: (L) When we go into 4th density are we going to be free of mosquitoes, roaches, slimy worms, slugs and so on?

A: No.

Q: (L) In conjunction with DNA changes, is there any similarity between the human race and the idea of transformation relating to populations such as grasshoppers into locusts?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) When grasshoppers turn into locusts, they swarm when their population gets too large.

A: All is part of natural cyclical process.

Q: (L) Was the DNA change that we are experiencing programmed into us so that after so many generations these changes would just sort of kick in?

A: Close.

Q: (L) So, we all selected certain bodies before we incarnated that would be prime for this programming?

A: Are you ready to be hermaphrodites?

Q: (L) Is that what we are going to be?

A: Wait and see.

Q: (T) Since you are riding this wave, in order to communicate, since the wave is what you are using to focus this contact with, and you are, whoever you may be at whatever point the wave is, you gave Barbara Marciniak information under the name “Pleiadians”. You are telling us this. Have you told the other people, such as Barbara Marciniak, that you are contacting other people?

A: No.

Q: (L) So, Barbara may not know that the contacts are the same only under a different name?

A: No.

Q: (L) Is it because she didn’t ask?

A: Progressive information. Also, system is like mosaic.

Q: (L) Does this mean that different people get different pieces of the mosaic?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) But, you have told us that you have contacted others under other names?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) Have you told the others?

A: No.

Q: (T) Why have you not contacted the others and told them this?

A: Just answered. Progressive.

Q: (T) Are you still contacting Barbara?

A: Not at this point. She is in pause mode.

Q: (T) Does she know this?

A: Yes. Write to her and tell her to call “Cassiopaea”. Next stop is Leo.

Q: (T) In some time in the future, the next sending point is Leo. Does that mean that at some point we will not be able to contact you?

A: We just told you who to call.

Q: (T) Well, what I am having trouble understanding is why we have to call to a certain space point. We are now in touch, does this channel not stay open?

A: Reference point.

Q: (T) So it doesn’t matter as long as we meet regularly to talk with you?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) Barbara is also able to continue talking to you even though you are no longer the Pleiadians?

A: She may talk to someone else.

Q: (T) Are you saying that she is channelling some other source at this point?

A: Maybe.

Q: (L) J.Z. Knight supposedly channelled Ramtha. Who was Ramtha?

A: Originally valid source.

Q: (L) Did that change?

A: Greed.

Q: (T) So she faked it?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) I wanted to ask about something you mentioned last night; I haven’t transcribed the tape, but you said something about being a 4th density candidate and I had not heard you use the term before. What is a 4th density candidate?

A: Self-explanatory.

Q: (L) How does one get to be a 4th density candidate?

A: Natural progression.

Q: (L) Is everyone on this planet a 4th density candidate?

A: No.

Q: (L) How many are there?

A: Open.

Q: (L) Could someone become a candidate overnight who is not now a candidate?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) How many strands of DNA do we have?

A: Terry, 4; Frank, 4; Jan, 3; Laura, 3.

Q: (L) Well, gee… does this have anything to do with sex?

A: No.

Q: (L) Are you telling us that Frank and Terry are smarter than Jan and me?

A: You are growing your 4th, 5th and 6th right now.

Q: (T) If our 3rd density were to examine our DNA right now would they see this?

A: They would call it Junk DNA.

Q: (T) Would it be noticeable as DNA that was not there before?

A: Maybe.

Q: (Frank) They would have to compare to a baseline.

A: (L) Were Atlantis and Lemuria the most ancient of Earth’s civilizations?

A: No.

Q: (L) What advanced civilizations were before Atlantis and Lemuria?

A: Many.

Q: (L) Was there an ancient advanced civilization located in the area we now call Antarctica?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) What was the name of this civilization?

A: Gor.

Q: (L) What kind of individuals lived in Gor?

A: 18 feet tall.

Q: (L) Were they humanoid and did they look like us?

A: Close.

Q: (L) Were they male and female like us?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And did they have space travel capabilities?

A: No interest.

Q: (L) Are there any remains of their civilization left?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Did they only inhabit Antarctica?

A: No.

Q: (L) Did they inhabit the whole world?

A: Close.

Q: (L) Are there any remains in Florida?

A: No.

Q: (L) Where might the remains be found

A: South America.

Q: (L) Where in South America?

A: Amazon. Ancient legend of Amazons.

Q: (L) Do our scientists know any of this?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Are there remains of Atlantis and Lemuria?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Do our scientists know of any of those?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Are they withholding information on purpose?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Have they any intention of telling about it?

A: No.

Q: (L) Do they have relics of these stored?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) I would like to know if there is anything T G could do to enhance his recovery from cancer?

A: PMA. Positive Mental Attitude.

Q: (L) In our cultural experience we have a lot of very strange things that our young people participate in. Among these activities is the use of extremely loud stereo systems that quite literally vibrate the cells in their bodies until they turn to jelly. Could you tell me, please, the long term physiological effects of this kind of exposure of the human body to these loud booming noises?

A: Strange thought patterns.

Q: (L) What effects are these violently loud stereos having on people?

A: Varies.

Q: (L) Are these effects negative?

A: Open.

Q: (L) Are these effects less than conducive to optimum health?

A: Maybe.

Q: (L) What can these very loud booming sounds do to the body?

A: Make the body go “boom boom.” (Much laughter)

Q: (J) Blue Cheer concert, 1969; group advertised as the loudest in existence, and they were. I sat ten feet from the speakers and couldn’t hear for three hours afterward and had ringing in the ears for several days. That was the last concert I went to. (L) Is this part of a plot to destroy the minds and bodies of our young people?

A: Maybe.

Q: (J) Or are they just being stupid?

A: Good answer.

Q: (L) On two separate occasions you have mentioned Andarans. I have never heard of them before. Who are they and why have you mentioned them? Where did they come from and what did they look like?

A: One question at a time.

Q: (L) Who are the Andarans?

A: Thought forms for STS.

Q: (L) What level of density are they?

A: 5th.

Q: (L) So, they are at the contemplative level?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Where do they come from?

A: 5th level.

Q: (L) Can you tell us what is the Rainbow Bridge referred to in Bringers of the Dawn. Is this what you were talking about when you spoke of our group being a conduit?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) What happens psychically at the moment of orgasm?

A: For whom?

Q: (L) For anybody. In just a general way. Does anything happen to a person psychically when they have sexual climax.

A: Open.

Q: (L) Is it different for each individual?

A: Close.

Q: (L) Is it different for males from females?

A: Usually.

Q: (L) The reason I ask is because a man named Wayne Cook did some work with dowsing and he found out that the human body, after sexual climax, dowses the same pattern as a dead body. Why is this? (T) Draining of energy.

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Okay, where does the energy drain to?

A: To the ether.

Q: (L) Does the energy go to one or the other partner?

A: Maybe.

Q: (L) Is it possible, during this activity, for Lizzies or other beings to be hanging around and be drawing this energy?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Is that, in a general sense, what often happens?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Is this one of the reasons that sex has been promoted and promulgated in our society to such an extent…

A: Yes, yes, yes.

Q: (T) Was there anybody hanging around us last night? (L) Terry!

A: Sure, why not.

Q: (T) Cause we’re that good? (L) Terry! Now, Otto Muck came to the conclusion that the final breaking up of Atlantis occurred on June 5, 8498 B.C. Is this pretty close?

A: Close.

Q: (L) What happened to the Mayans?

A: Taken by Lizard beings to cosmos in 4 D. “Lizzieland.”

Q: (L) What did they do with them there?

A: Many possibilities.

Q: (L) Do any of those possibilities include having them for dinner? Sorry about that, I couldn’t help myself. (J) “Mayan Helper.” And I helped!

A: Maybe.

Q: (L) How big was the main island of Atlantis?

A: 1,354,000 square miles.

Q: (L) There is a woman named J__ A__ who channels a robot named Cytron. Is this a put on or is she really channelling a super cyborg?

A: Nonsense.

Q: (T) Emergency, emergency, Dr. Smith! (L) A few months ago I had A__ in trance to do spirit viewing for several people. In several frames of reference she saw a funny little grinning man with big, pointed ears, wearing black, boots and holding a whip, darting about and hiding behind people. Who was this little guy?

A: He was a carnal thought form.

Q: (L) And who created this carnal thought form that was zipping around?

A: Host.

Q: (L) Who was the host?

A: The subject with whom it appeared. It indicated an individual with many carnal thoughts.

Q: (L) I would like to know… my friend, Keith Laumer, who died last year, I am a little bit curious since he came and hung around me for a time after death, did we have a past life relationship and if so what were the dynamics?

A: Yes. You must learn this yourself. Are you learning yet? You keep asking 3rd level questions.

Q: (T) You talk about both STO and STS. Yet you tell us that we need to learn to be STO. Why is there a difference between what we have to do and what you are doing?

A: STO is balance because you serve self through others.

Q: (T) You have said a couple of times that you are STS by being STO. Is this not true?

A: Yes. Already answered.

Q: (T) Kind of like: what goes around, comes around?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) Is STO a means to an end for STS?

A: No. STO is balance. STS is imbalance.

Q: (T) How can you be STS through STO if STS is imbalance?

A: STO flows outward and touches all including point of origin, STS flows inward and touches only origin point.

Q: (T) Well, they refer in the material that I am reading through, that they are STS through STO. (L) They serve self BY serving others. (T) Is that what they mean? (L) Yeah. (T) Is that what we’re supposed to do, serve ourselves by serving others? (T) Yeah! Because what goes around, comes around. If you serve others then you get things back. (F) Because when you serve yourself, all there is is an infinite number of individuals serving self. (T) There is no energy exchange, no synergy within the group; there is no exchange. (F) Everything moves inward. (T) There is no sharing, no growth, there is no nothing. (F) No interconnecting. (T) Right! There is no learning. (L) In terms of major STS, this may or may not be related, could you tell us the nature of a Black Hole?]

A: Grand Scale STS.

Q: (L) Is it like a being that has achieved such a level of STS that it has literally imploded in on itself in some way?

A: Close analogy.

Q: (T) Possibly an entire civilization of STS?

A: No.

Q: (L) Well, maybe a civilization can’t do it because that implies working together. It must need to be an individual being.

A: Black Holes are a natural force reflection of Free Will consciousness pattern of STS. Notice that Black Holes are located at center of spiral energy forces, all else radiates outward.

Q: (L) Now, you say “spiral” energy forces, and you also have said that this wave is a spiral. Is the central point of this wave that is spiraling, a black hole?

A: No.

Q: (L) Is it a radiating wave?

A: All in creation is just that: a radiating wave.

Q: (L) Where does the energy go that gets sucked into a black hole?

A: Inward to total nonexistence.

Q: (L) Well, if a black hole continues to suck stuff in, is it possible that it would eventually suck in the entire creation?

A: No.

Q: (L) Why is that?

A: Universe is all encompassing. Black holes are final destination of all STS energy.

Q: (F) So, does this mean that we, or anyone else who is classified as STS, remains on said path, that we will eventually end up in a Black Hole?

A: Close.

Q: (L) Well, that is pleasant. And what happens to energy that is “total non-existence”?

A: Total non-existence balances total existence. Guess what is total existence?

Q: (L) Well, is it kind of like a balancing force?

A: “God.”

Q: (T) Are we talking about the creator god as in the Pleiadians?

A: Not Pleiadians. Prime Creator.

Q: (T) What is the difference between the Prime Creator and “God?”

A: None. As long as you exist, you are of the Prime Creator.

Q: (L) Now, this stuff that goes into Black Holes, that goes into non-existence, is that, then, not part of the Prime Creator?

A: Correct.

Q: (L) How can Prime Creator lose any part of him or itself?

A: Prime Creator does not “lose” anything.

Q: (L) Well, then, how would you describe this energy that was in existence and then is no longer in existence because it has become or gone into a Black Hole?

A: Reflection is regenerated at level 1.

Q: (L) So, this energy goes into a Black Hole and… does it come out on the other side?

A: No.

Q: (L) Does it become like a primal atom?

A: No.

Q: (T) Does it go back into the cycle?

A: No. Reflection regenerates as primal atoms.

Q: (L) So, this energy that is sucked into the Black Holes… what (T) When we put out energy as positive or negative energy, and there are beings on other levels that feed on this energy, is this true?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) Okay, and you said that the Lizzies feed on the negative energy?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) Who feeds on the positive energy?

A: You do.

Q: (T) How do we feed on the positive energy?

A: Progression toward union with the one, I.E. level 7.

Q: (L) In other words, you fuel your own generator instead of fueling someone else’s. (T) You are at level 6, what do you feed on?

A: You have the wrong concept. We give to others and receive from others of the STO. We feed each other.

Q: (L) So, by feeding each other you move forward and grow but those of the STS path do not feed each other so must feed off of others. (T) Now, you are talking to us now. This is considered STO?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) We are providing energy for the channel also, does that provide you with energy?

A: No.

Q: (F) You are not keeping up with the program, Terry. (L) What do you want from us?

A: We don’t want when pure STO. We came because YOU wanted. But that is STS until you share with others.

Q: (L) So, it is necessary that we share this information?

A: Up to you, it is a free will choice.

Q: (L) Is there some risk to ourselves by sharing this information?

A: At some level, but there is “risk” to all things.

Q: (T) I have a question: where do you get all your cute little cliches and sayings?

A: We access the human condition.

Q: (L) In one of my Fate magazines over there I read a story about a fellow who discovered an enormous structure in a cave when he was wounded and hiding there during the war. It was in Europe somewhere. I am visualizing the image. What was this thing this man found in this cave?

A: Magnesium wall made by Lizard beings. Constructed 309448 years ago. It was part of a base. It was buried during cataclysms.

Q: (L) What is buried on Oak Island?

A: Regenerator.

Q: (L) What is a regenerator?

A: Remolecularizer.

Q: (L) Who put it there?

A: Lizard beings.

Q: (L) When did they put it there?

A: 10,000 years ago, approximately.

Q: (L) Do they use it from time to time?

A: No.

Q: (L) Does it still work?

A: It could.

Q: (T) What is the purpose of a remolecularizer? (L) Yeah, what do you use it for? Entertain your friends at parties?

A: Regenerate matter.

Q: (L) Such as physical bodies?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) So, you just go and stand next to it or inside it or whatever and it regenerates you?

A: Any matter.

Q: (L) Well, that would be a really handy thing to have in the barn. Is there any way to get it out of there?

A: Maybe. Are you planning an expedition?

Q: (L) No, we’re just being nosy. How deep is it buried?

A: Deep.

Q: (T) Well, we can send it in to a treasure hunter’s magazine and give somebody an idea of how far they have to go. (L) Yeah, tell them what it is and they will go whole hog for it. (T) Yeah. It’s a regenerator. “What?” Well, it’s a remolecularizer. What’s wrong with you? Where have you been? You never wanted to be regenerated? You, too, can be a Time Lord! (L) Amaze your friends, confound your enemies, you can hypnotize any woman from a distance by the power of your… REGENERATOR! (T) Wow! Look at the size of his Regenerator! [much laughter] Thank you.

A: Good Night.


2.33 December 17, 1994

Frank, Laura, V__, DM

{DM is the woman discussed in the previous two sessions who, under hypnosis, described being abducted by preying mantis beings who ate children. She was a science teacher at a local high school, divorced from a history professor at the University of South Florida, and had a rather wild teen-aged daughter who she obsessed over. We had earlier attended a reception at a New Agey bookstore – an alleged expert on Mayan cosmology and/or esoteric teachings. Liquor had been served and we had all had a couple of drinks which was unusual in the extreme for me.}

Q: (L) Hello.

A: Hello.

Q: (L) Celestial Dudes!

A: That was cute!

Q: (L) Who do we have with us tonight?

A: Porsonea.

Q: (L) I guess you were with us at the party tonight? {Talk about the speaker who was guest of honor at party.} What was his talk about?

A: Mayan, Laura.

Q: (L) Was our alcohol consumption bad for us?

A: Only if in excess.

Q: (L) Did I have too much?

A: Some.

Q: (L) We would like to ask what is the source of the warts D__ and EDDIE Page’s wife have in various places on their bodies? {Eddie Page: alleged abductee doing the UFO speakers’ circuit. I thought he was a fraud, but DM was very taken by his nonsense. His wife was literally covered, all over the exposed parts of her body, with hundreds of warts. D’s warts were a more minor thing with only a dozen or so.}

A: Genes Oriented.

Q: (L) Does this mean warts are genetic?

A: Oriented.

Q: (L) Is it the same for both of them?

A: Not exactly.

Q: (L) How can warts be connected to genetics?

A: Progression to 4th density.

Q: (L) Why does it have to be so hard?

A: Many things are. Backaches, for example.

Q: (L) Backaches are one thing, but warts are very unpleasant.

A: Unpleasant is subjective.

Q: (L) How does D__ get rid of her warts?

A: Not the point.

Q: (L) What is the point.

A: Natural progression. Warts are not the issue. All have symptoms, but not all are the same.

Q: (DM) What can I do to get rid of the warts? They make me feel awful.

A: Adjust your feelings.

Q: (DM) Am I getting these warts because I am transitioning to 4th density?

A: All are headed to 4th density. So, what does it matter, remember, transformation is always accompanied by some difficulty.

Q: (L) Is there anything that can be done physically to help D__ with her warts?

A: Can be accomplished, try adjustment of mind and diet. You are missing potassium. You must also adjust your mind.

Q: (L) Adjust her mind in what way?

A: Anti stress measures.

Q: (L) Is this the same thing Mrs. Page needs to do?

A: Help, but not cure.

Q: (L) What will work for her?

A: Compresses.

Q: (L) What kind of compresses?

A: Mud nourished with minerals. Check with horticulturist.

Q: (L) How do we find a horticulturist? Network?

A: Always “Network”. Networking is 4th Density STO concept seeping into 3rd density with upcoming realm border crossing.

Q: (DM) Networking is the way to get things done from 3rd level into 4th level?

A: Coming from 4th level into 3rd because of influence of wave.

Q: (DM) So, each of us has a skill that we develop and help each other. (L) We are all part of a body.

A: This is the way lives in STO! D__ on board, V__ write. V__ not to feel bad, will return. Please be patient. Hello, D__.

Q: (L) Who has EDDIE Page been abducted by that he says look like us?

A: 4th density Orion STS.

Q: (V) Well, he is under the impression that it is the Pleiadians. Why does he…

A: All can create false impression.

Q: (V) Well, he is planning in 6 months to leave his family and the planet and heading off toward the Pleiades.

A: Free will.

Q: (V) So, his free will is going to propel him into the Pleiades?

A: Your free will propels you always.

Q: (DM) The Pleiadian he talks of is his father, is this correct?

A: No.

Q: (DM) Are you saying that he is not a hybrid, is this correct?

A: If he chooses to be hybrid, then that is his choice.

Q: (L) Are you saying… (DM) How can be being a hybrid be a choice?

A: How can anything?

Q: (L) You mean it is a subjective choice to perceive that way? (DM) Is his father a Pleiadian?

A: No.

Q: (L) Why does he think is father is? (DM) Is he giving false information?

A: He believes what he is saying.

Q: (DM) So, what he is saying, he believes to be the truth?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) But, is it the truth?

A: It is, but on what level? That is the question.

Q: (L) On what level? (DM) Is this 5th density?

A: Okay, time to learn… {groans of dismay} The past and the future are all in the present!

Q: (DM) So, we are talking about different levels all at the same time…

A: But you know that by now, D__.

Q: (L) Okay, at some level… (DM) Are all of his levels together, now?

A: Integrating.

Q: (DM) So, he is integrating into one, is this correct?

A: Close enough.

Q: (DM) Does this mean that, as soon as he has integrated, that he will leave this planet?

A: If he chooses.

Q: (DM) And he will choose, is this correct?

A: Open.

Q: (L) Well, what worries me is that they are saying the STS guys have ahold of him and that’s not good. (DM) Is EDDIE STS?

A: You all are still. You all are moving toward graduation to STO.

Q: (F) We all are still STS?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Well, I still don’t understand about EDDIE… (DM) Would you please explain to me what service to others entails?

A: Complete lack of concern for self.

Q: (L) Well, that’s a real tough one. (DM) It would be like being Mahatma Gandhi, is this correct?

A: Closer.

Q: (DM) Then there is no one that I know of that is going to make this?

A: Do you know anyone who is in 4th density?

Q: (L) Of course not. (DM) I’m not sure. (V) So, when we transition from 3rd density to 4th density we lose that need for service to self?

A: If you transition, you are ready to do so if you choose.

Q: (DM) So, it’s like an instant thing? As soon as you are ready, you are gone!

A: No. Realm border crossing.

Q: (L) At the time of the realm border crossing those who are of the correct vibrational frequency to transition will do so, as it says in the Bible, in the twinkling of an eye. Almost instantaneously. We are getting ready… you have to be at least a certain level… it all has to do with the coming of this wave…

A: We ride the wave.

Q: (L) Who does EDDIE Page channel?

A: Many.

Q: (L) Many who are what? (DM) Does he channel his father?

A: Not in the sense you mean. All are “father” in some sense.

Q: (DM) So, when he talks to his father he is talking to many because many are the father? So then, are we speaking of his father as being a collection of DNA composite?

A: No. Collection of consciousness.

Q: (DM) The universal consciousness?

A: Close.

Q: (V) A male consciousness?

A: No.

Q: (L) Okay, you say it is not his father in the sense of being a genetic line, is that correct?

A: Okay.

Q: (L) Is EDDIE Page genetically mutated or altered in some way? {He claimed to have two hearts and black blood; however, he never provided any proof of this and when I asked for it, I was considered a heretic.}

A: No. Not in this space time.

Q: (L) So, in other words, what he may be tapping into is similar to what D__ was tapping into in her hypnosis as carnivorous preying mantis beings, another aspect of himself, and he is misinterpreting this aspect of himself as being who and what he is now?

A: Not misinterpreting.

Q: (L) Does he fully understand what is going on?

A: No. Neither do you.

Q: (DM) Will I be meeting some Pleiadians Tuesday night at 10 o’clock? Will they be coming to my house? {Eddie Page told her that the Pleiadians were going to visit her. She gave him a large donation after that!}

A: In a sense. Review concept.

Q: (L) In case you haven’t figured it out, this whole operation is a learning process. The Cassiopaeans make us go through all kinds of hoops to get stuff.

A: If you review you learn. Knowledge protects.

Q: (DM) But, am I going to be visited by Pleiadians?

A: Bring D__ “up to speed.”

Q: (DM) Okay, then what I can expect is a psychic connection with you if you are connected to the Pleiadians?

A: We only rarely appear as human.

Q: (DM) I am going to have humans come to me Tuesday night and they are going to be Pleiadians?

A: No.

Q: (DM) What is going to be at my house Tuesday night at 10 o’clock.

A: Nice people.

Q: (DM) But are they Pleiadians?

A: Review.

Q: (DM) Will I understand what is going to happen Tuesday when it happens?

A: Keep mind open.

Q: (V) What is it that is supposed to happen Tuesday night at your house? (DM) EDDIE Page told me the Pleiadians were going to visit me.

A: Wait and see.

Q: (DM) Okay, that’s cool. (F) Well, it said to keep your mind open and wait and see. (DM) But they are not saying no!

A: Mind is not currently open.

Q: (DM) Why?

A: Expectations are influenced by various sources.

Q: (DM) Then, EDDIE is one of these sources, is that correct?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Should she be surprised if nothing happens at all?

A: Up to D__.

Q: (DM) I don’t think I am going to be surprised. But why isn’t my mind open? (L) Maybe because you decided to believe what EDDIE told you, is that it?

A: Open.

Q: (DM) Well, somebody’s going to come to my house Tuesday! (L) Well, I am really confused about EDDIE. You say he is being abducted by Orion STS guys. What level of beings are doing this abducting?

A: Has been.

Q: (L) Has he been abducted by other groups?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) What other groups?

A: Grays.

Q: (V) Well, he thinks the Grays are just hunky-dory friendly fellows. (DM) Are the Grays STO?

A: No. Cybergenetic.

Q: (L) Who has told EDDIE that the Grays are good, why is he convinced of this?

A: Many.

Q: (DM) Am I channelling this?

A: Starting to.

Q: (DM) Have I been channelling the questions too?

A: S__ is okay.

Q: (DM) I have been wanting to ask questions about S__.

A: On your mind. Ease up.

Q: (DM) Am I being too controlling?

A: Yes and too concerned.

Q: (DM) Is her boyfriend into drugs?

A: Has been.

Q: (DM) Is she into drugs?

A: Not at the moment.

Q: (L) Is it true that this is S__’s choice and S__’s lessons?

A: As with all.

Q: (DM) Is her father influencing her actions?

A: No.

Q: (DM) Does he have any intentions of doing that?

A: Intentions are transitory.

Q: (DM) Are there any actions I can take that will be beneficial for S__?

A: Open. Free will.

Q: (DM) Am I going to have a problem with her father before October?

A: Okay now. Worry no more.

Q: (L) Can we ask about J__ Reed?

A: Why so much interest in individual students?

Q: (L) He is a student?

A: All are. Us too.

Q: (DM) Everyone has a creator.

A: We are not creator any more than you are. We are all creator!

Q: (L) D__ was telling me on the ride over about EDDIE Page telling her about an event that happened to her when she was a child. She perceived this as a demonstration of psychic ability and therefore goodness. Can you tell me how, if he is being influenced by the STS guys, how he can have this psychic ability?

A: All have ability, it just depends on how it is used.

Q: (L) Was EDDIE Page killed in battle? {In Viet Nam – his claim to fame; that he died and was saved by aliens.}

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Was he revived by aliens?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Who revived him?

A: Orion STS.

Q: (L) What was their purpose in reviving him and restoring him to life?

A: Purpose already determined.

Q: (L) And that is…

A: Many faceted.

Q: (L) What is the primary purpose?

A: Complex.

Q: (L) We know it is complex, give us one…

A: Very important for all to review, what happens at realm border crossing?

Q: (L) We transition to 4th density, is that correct?

A: Partly.

Q: (L) We either choose to transition as STS or STO, is that correct?

A: Partly.

Q: (L) And we do this based upon knowledge, is that correct?

A: Partly.

Q: (L) And EDDIE Page has been given a certain…

A: What do STS 4th Density intend to do?

Q: (L) The 4th level STS beings intend to set things up so that they can rule us and feed off of us in 4th density. They want to bring everybody over to their way of thinking and their domination so that we will give them our energy and give up our free will… (DM) So, we are being set up. (F) Well, that is part of it. Don’t you remember the battle that is supposed to ensue that has already begun at some level, and this will determine, in part, whether we will be STS or STO, which also is known at some level… (L) Has EDDIE Page been subverted and programed to lead people astray?

A: No.

Q: (L) Well, then I don’t understand.

A: You are reading into situation.

Q: (DM) What is it that she is reading into the situation that isn’t there?

A: Page is experiencer, you are witnesses, that is all!

Q: (L) What is he experiencing?

A: We have told you already.

Q: (L) What he is experiencing is… (DM) We are watching him put himself all together. (L) Is this what we are witnessing, him integrating?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) He is integrating, we are witnessing. He is integrating…. (DM) He is putting himself together at all the different levels… there isn’t anything more. (L) Is this true?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Well, in another session we were told that a lot of what EDDIE Page is saying is disinformation designed to take people in, is that true?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And what is the source of that disinformation?

A: Orion STS.

Q: (L) Are they trying to, to put this in plain terms, are they trying to “take his soul?”

A: No.

Q: (L) Are they trying to win the battle in terms of dominating him in 4th density?

A: And you and all others.

Q: (L) Well that is pleasant…

A: We have told you this before, knowledge protects, ignorance endangers.

Q: (L) How does one…

A: All knowledge is good.

Q: (L) How can one, such as EDDIE, defend himself against beings of such superior capabilities of mind control, that they can literally put thoughts in his head; I mean, what chance is there for anybody?

A: He has participated in process.

Q: (L) So, at some level he has chosen the STS pathway, is that what you are saying here?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And part of this STS pathway is just going off and leaving his family, is that it?

A: Close. But please don’t read into situation. Open your mind.

Q: (DM) Is this just something that we are going to have to see in the future?

A: Okay. Get to know Page.

Q: (DM) In what respect.

A: Open your minds. He is experiencing, you are witnessing. Just watch and see. Look, listen and learn.

Q: (L) Okay, thank you and good night.

A: Good night.


2.34 December 23, 1994

Frank, Laura, DM

{DM appears in a number of sessions. She is a middle-aged high school science teacher, divorced from a college professor husband, with a highly disturbed teen-aged daughter. She is mentioned in the Wave as the individual who, under hypnosis, saw preying mantis type beings eating small children.}

Q: Hello.

A: No ritual.

Q: (D) Explain, please?

A: No ritual.

Q: (F) Did somebody do a ritual? (L) No. Did you do one in your mind, DM? (D) I just rubbed my hands together. (L) No, I don’t think that is what they are talking about. It’s because we were talking about rituals and why we don’t do them. Okay, why did you tell us “no ritual?”

A: DM. Caution.

Q: Tell DM, please, why we don’t do rituals.

A: Rituals constrict. Who are we?

Q: What is your name, please?

A: Oplea.

Q: Are you a discarnate?

A: No, Cassiopaean.

Q: Let me ask you about your spelling of the word “Cassiopaea.” It is the archaic spelling of Cassiopia, but not the one currently used. However, the last part of the word, as you spell it, is the word Paean, which is a “warning” sound or an announcement or message. Something that calls people to attention. Is there any chosen symbology in your use of this spelling.

A: No, but nice analogy.

Q: (D) I want to thank you very much for the advice you gave me. It was something that was very much on my mind and your advice probably saved my daughter from running away.

A: You are welcome.

Q: (D) I want to impose on you, and I hope you don’t mind. S__’s father has influence on her; is he someone I need to warn her about? {Asking about her daughter}

A: Worry not.

Q: (L) Does that mean that the less DM says, the sooner S__ will figure things out for herself?

A: Open.

Q: (D) Will be S__ be okay by herself if I leave the state?

A: You’re not leaving.

Q: (L) Well, that is a pretty definite statement. Is she going to get… (D) Do you have a use for me here?

A: Your use is your pathway of learning.

Q: (D) My pathway… I am not understanding… (L) In other words, they may not specifically have a use for you in the sense of being used, but your pathway of learning is what you are here doing. (D) I am supposed to be learning and I’m supposed to stay here until I learn?

A: Yes. Everyone is always learning.

Q: (L) Why do you say she is not leaving. That is a pretty definite statement and you guys don’t usually make real definite statements like that?

A: Because she is not.

Q: (D) Am I to be working with E__ P__?

A: Wait and see.

Q: (D) I have felt that I was going to sell my house and would be doing something significant and that would be in North Carolina… (L) Well, maybe you will end up in North Carolina. I wanted to go to Montana and I ended up on Montana Avenue. I guess that is as close as I am going to get.

A: Pressing does not work.

Q: (D) Well, I was trying to press things. (L) I was a presser too, and still do from time to time, but it never works… I’m learning to let things happen.

A: House sells, but move isn’t far. How do you like New Port Richey?

Q: (D) Well, I don’t know there is a position open or opening and I do know the people over here and…

A: Bingo!

Q: (L) Well, why don’t you tell Frank and me stuff like that? Am I going to sell my house? I want to move too!

A: We tell that which needs to be told.

Q: (L) Well, DM gets told stuff and I don’t. That’s not fair…

A: Yes you do!

Q: (L) Would it be a good idea for DM to get the Reiki initiation?

A: Up to DM. You are pressing again.

Q: (D) Well, I understand that Laura wants me to and she has given me the reasons. What I do is listen and assemble the information… probably I will.

A: You know. You are soft spoken.

Q: (D) I discovered that if I put vitamin E oil on my warts it stopped them from itching…

A: Potassium.

Q: (D) Yes, I am eating bananas! I put some antibiotic oil on them also, and then I could scratch off part of it and it stopped itching so much. I am sure the potassium did help. I have been eating bananas. (L) Well, we were talking earlier about all the synchronous events that happened during the year prior to the beginning of this contact, and I would like to know if those events were, in part, engineered by you guys?

A: Open.

Q: (L) What was it that caused the repeated swelling of my eyes and other soft tissue of the body?

A: Learning comes with discovery.

Q: (D) You were discovering. You were being led. (L) Oh, see what they are saying. (D) Just like I am being led to live here and work with you. (L) Is DM part of the conduit?

A: You will see. Forum first.

Q: (L) Is DM part of the conduit?

A: You will see.

Q: (D) That means yes. (L) In the forming of this conduit, is the conduit not only something that brings energy into us, but also through which we can travel into other dimensions as well? Does it go both ways?

A: Learn by discovery!

Q: (L) In other words, do it! We got the program loaded for the computer net, which you told us once we got online our lives would change suddenly and dramatically. (D) Are we not quite ready for this?

A: Discover.

Q: (L) You told us that if we created the maze in the yard and walked it, that it would change our vibrations to the point that we would be able to see you, if we did that as a group, what would be the result?

A: Same.

Q: (L) Would a group moving in that energy format create a greater energy than, say, a single individual?

A: Yes.

Q: (D) So, what if we had a lot of people do that? (L) They told us that this was similar to what they did at Stonehenge, that walking a pattern like a maze design would concentrate energy. A spiral. (Planchette demonstrates by moving in a gradually expanding spiral which then gradually got smaller.) Are you demonstrating the pattern that should be used?

A: Cycle.

Q: (L) Would this do a lot to empower us as well as hasten the bundling of the DNA?

A: Wait and see.

Q: (L) In other words, you just want us to do things, to get moving on these projects, get these transcripts organized, get the maze built, do our spinning…

A: We want you to do what you will do.

Q: (L) Well… (D) Thanks a lot… (L) I guess that is what it comes down to: get free, get happy…

A: Above all learn.

Q: (D) Is there something we can do to help other people?

A: Access instincts, network.

Q: (D) Are you talking about the computer network?

A: In general.

Q: (D) Now, wait a minute. They may mean networking people and their uses. (L) Does network in general mean, as DM says, contacting people, spread the word, bring others in, along that line?

A: Why S__ so many viruses?

Q: (L) What do you mean? Who has so many viruses?

A: S__.

Q: (L) Well, does S__ have a lot of viruses? Why does S__ have so many viruses?

A: We asked you.

Q: (D) Well, she’s having her tonsils out Tuesday. I don’t know why.

A: Have you not noticed?

Q: (D) Well, I hadn’t put things together. (F) Is it true? (D) Yes, she does. She has, different kinds of viruses… (L) Well, are you going to give us a clue on this one?

A: Emotions reflect in physical body.

Q: (L) What is the nature of her emotional upset?

A: (D) It’s her father. Is it her father?

A: No.

Q: (L) What is it? (D) Has she been abducted?

A: That is not the point.

Q: (L) What is the nature of her emotional viruses?

A: Complicated but, mother-daughter soul connection is unusually strong in this case!

Q: (L) How many lifetimes have DM and S__ had together?

A: 59.

Q: (L) Well, that’s high. (D) Let me tell you something, the last time I killed her…

A: Twins.

Q: (L) Which one of…

A: Last was tragic.

Q: (D) I killed S__… (L) Could you tell us the dynamics of that last lifetime that are so strong…

A: DM reveal.

Q: (L) Should DM do this through hypnotherapy?

A: Okay but has done work already.

Q: (L) What could DM have done for or to or with S__ in the lifetime that is most heavily affecting this lifetime, to have resolved the issue then?

A: Not important, this one is!

Q: (L) What does she need to do now?

A: On right path since Tuesday.

Q: (L) What did you do Tuesday? (D) Tuesday… (L) What happened Tuesday that was so significant?

A: Discover.

Q: (L) Does it have something to do with the roller blades DM bought S__ Tuesday?

A: Now you are learning, so we will help. Now you see?! She needs the childhood she never had.

Q: (L) Why did she never have a childhood? (D) Because she was sexually abused by her father she always felt that she had to be the grown-up; she had to be between her father and myself; she had to pull everything together. She always felt that responsibility and she… oh! I see! Thank you! I took her shopping. We went to the mall. She saw things that she didn’t get when she was a kid and I explained to her that now she wasn’t a kid and she couldn’t really enjoy those things but she could enjoy the things that would be more her age level. She got down and saw little doo dads that she always wanted. (L) Well, get them for her. Can you? (D) Yes! (L) Is that the answer? Give her the childhood things?

A: Continue…

Q: (D) I’ll go down and buy her those things tomorrow.

A: Okay. Childhood is stepping stone to spiritual growth in each lifetime.

Q: (D) I want to thank you!

A: We are helping you with this because you simply must resolve this issue before you can properly progress to important work, see?

Q: (D) I have to solve this… (L) They just told you that you had important work to do which is pretty close to a prophecy… am I correct on that, that she has important work to do and that you have plans for her?

A: Yes. DM has been “discombobulated”.

Q: (L) You have been discombobulated? (D) I can handle that. (L) Is there anything else you can add to help solve this issue that maybe we haven’t asked? (D) I think I just need to enjoy my daughter rather than trying to control her…

A: Now you are on the right path.

Q: (D) I haven’t been talking against her father and I have been telling her, encouraging her… I have been forgiving him… and I told _____ today that I found out from S__ that her father is the one who took her to get the abortion, and he paid for it, and I said something about mixed feelings, not everything is bad. There’s something good in everything, and I referred her to different parts of different books… Page 29 in the Ra Material, and not showing the anger… and that is what I have been doing: showing anger, getting that emotion out and feeding the Lizzies… and getting wrinkles and gray hair and growing warts… and warts?

A: Yes.

Q: (D) They said to get rid of stress situations. (L) I would almost say that what you just learned was that a lot of your stress is self generated… (D) exactly… my hat is off to you guys, I thank you…

A: Now DM, do you still want to move to North Carolina?

Q: (D) No. That’s cool! Thank you very much. I don’t need to flee! I can stay. (L) I guess that is what you needed to be here tonight for. (D) And I thought that I was going to help mankind and I got helped…

A: This is only the beginning of this work!

Q: (D) How can I thank them?

A: Not necessary because we are working together.

Q: (D) I also started telling S__ about spirituality and God and things like that, and I told her that what you first have to understand is there is no such thing as sin… (L) It’s all lessons… (D) There is no such thing as sin and then I named all the negative emotions and said that what we need to do is have a lot less of that and more of love, caring, sharing and that kind of thing… and she really listened! So, I have started teaching her. And, I want her to have something to… Oh!, here’s a good question: Could you help me out and guide me into what book would be good for S__ to read?

A: No, this is up to S__. It is all just lessons for each individual. That is all there is, nothing else.

Q: (L) I guess it is like dancing, you follow the signals and the music to know what step to do next. Take your cues from S__.

A: There is nothing, repeat nothing, but lessons.

Q: (L) I guess it is a big laboratory and we are the guinea pigs…

A: No, everything that exists in all of creation is a lesson, there is no laboratory.

Q: (L) Sorry guys. (F) So, absolutely everything is a lesson. (L) Let me ask this: On Tuesday when DM was reading and fell asleep, did she get a visit or a contact from any source?

A: Hypnotize her to access this information.

Q: (D) Was there something pertinent that happened that night?

A: Discover.

Q: (D) Okay, so we should discover through the hypnosis. (L) Did the Pleiadeans come?

A: Laura, you are such a card!

Q: (L) Well, I thought I would try to sneak that one by them. Let me ask: On the night the big black boomerang came over my house, was I or one of my children abducted?

A: Why do you think you learned hypnosis, to put it on the shelf for a conversation piece, maybe?

Q: (L) Are you saying that I need hypnosis myself?

A: Others. Children will have answers.

Q: (L) Oh, good, that’s clever! I never thought about that. Okay, that’s how I’ll find out. It’s too simple. I’m beginning to feel brain dead. Why have my eyes been bothering me so much for the last year?

A: Eyes do that on 3rd density.

Q: (D) I have been having similar problems. (F) I have been getting near-sighted in the last year. (L) Anybody got any questions? (D) Not me, I just had a huge, huge problem solved in just a few words… what else could I want to know? But, there is something… DM N__, how does he fit in my life?

A: Open.

Q: (D) Is he a good guy? (L) They are not going to tell you that.

A: Subjective.

Q: (L) I guess it depends on your point of view. I’m sure Hitler thought he was a good man. That is subjective. Good and evil are subjective. (D) Would he and I be compatible?

A: Discover on your own. Free will.

Q: (L) Well, there is a way you might be able to find out something. Since all minds are one mind, the Cassiopaeans don’t mind telling you what another person thinks or how they think. What does DM N__ think of DM?

A: Jumbled thought patterns.

Q: (L) Is this DM N__ that DM has met, is he the same David Navarra that Sally B. was acquainted with in St. Petersburg?

A: How many are there with that name?

Q: (L) Well, there are probably more than one, but I don’t think all of them in this area would be involved in the metaphysical community. That would narrow it down. Was Sally B. accurately reading the situation when she said that the DM N__ she knew was a little hung up on sex?

A: Many are.

Q: (L) Okay, what are David N_’s intentions toward DM?

A: Open.

Q: (D) Would he like to get me in bed?

A: We might ask the same question of you.

Q: (L) What are your intentions? (D) I don’t have any intentions until I find out whether or not he has good intentions. I am not going to jump in the hay with anybody unless I find out that they really care for me. So, that is why I am asking.

A: Okay.

Q: (L) I don’t think they are going to help you out on this one. The closest we are going to get is that he has jumbled thoughts and he is probably the same guy Sally knew.

A: The “bedroom” is not our specialty.

Q: (D) Not mine either, fortunately or unfortunately. (L) Well, let’s ask about J__ R__, has he read the transcripts all or in part, and, if so, what is his reaction?

A: Dreamy person.

Q: (L) What do you mean by dreamy? He dreams a lot?

A: Self explanatory.

Q: So, “dreamy person” is his reaction to the transcripts?

A: Dreamy person is he.

Q: (L) Does this mean that he lives in the world of dreams and not reality? (D) Or, is he someone who initiates his thoughts in the dream state?

A: We are merely relating our observations.

Q: (L) Has he read the transcripts?

A: Some.

Q: (L) What did he think in reaction to them?

A: Went into dream state.

Q: (D) Oh, he was reading it and it hit something? (L) Is that it, what DM is saying?

A: Maybe.

Q: (D) Well, it hit something and he went off into a dream. So, it hit some of his reality. (D) I want to ask some questions about M__: will she and Eddie Page reestablish communication? (L) I didn’t know they were on the outs. But, I don’t know either of them well enough to ask questions. (D) Well, apparently the story is that M__ told someone else that Eddie was having affairs with other women and it got back to E__.

A: People have shortcomings.

Q: (D) Will they get back together?

A: Open.

Q: (L) Did M__ relay a falsehood about Eddie? (D) Eddie said she did, anyway.

A: Subjective.

Q: (D) She said that Eddie had mistresses.

A: That is not important.

Q: (D) Well, that is okay. (L) On the day that we saw Eddie, I guess it was last Saturday, he told us that he had been abducted three days before. Was this a physical abduction or was it a Virtual Reality abduction?

A: It was the latter.

Q: (L) Of the many abductions he claims to have experienced, how many are of the VR type?

A: Half or thereabouts.

Q: (L) In a Virtual Reality Abduction, does any part of the person actually leave and go into another dimension?

A: Soul replication.

Q: (L) So, a replica of their soul, like a shadow of the soul, so to speak, like maybe a holographic part of the soul gets moved into another dimension and experiences events; is that what you mean?

A: That is close.

Q: (L) So, when a person experiences a Virtual Reality Abduction it’s virtually real in the sense that it happens to them on some level, or to some part of them?

A: It is real.

Q: (L) But, their physical body is not being abducted and going anywhere?

A: The original does not.

Q: (L) Well, that’s intriguing. (D) Is that like… (L) It said soul replication…

A: Think of photo copier, similar concept.

Q: (L) A photocopy? So, half of Eddie’s abductions are Virtual Reality Abductions…

A: Yes.

Q: And the other half are actual physical abductions?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Who is he being abducted by, I know we asked this before, but I want to clarify something…

A: Orion STSers.

Q: (L) And what level of density are these abductors who abduct him?

A: 4th level.

Q: So, the 4th level Orion STS group abduct Eddie Page. What do they look like?

A: They rearrange appearance.

Q: (L) Well, to look like what? He perceives…

A: What ever is anticipated by the abductee.

Q: (L) Well, he told me they were beautiful. (D) His father is one of them, he says. Beautiful people, the way I see it, means from the heart… not like physical beauty… (L) Does he perceive them as physically beautiful?

A: That is subjective.

Q: (L) And, since you say that they rearrange their appearance, in their natural state, before they are rearranged, what do they look like?

A: Natural state is variable.

Q: (D) Are they robots?

A: Some.

Q: (L) What do the robots look like?

A: Grays.

Q: (L) Okay, what do the other ones look like? (D) Are they 12 ft tall robots… (L) I get the feeling they don’t want to answer this question…

A: 3rd density thinking.

Q: (L) I’m sorry. I guess you just want us to learn by this exercise, is that it?

A: Review material.

Q: (L) What do the 4th density STS Orions look like? I know what the answer is… are they Lizzies?

A: Some.

Q: (L) So, Eddie Page is getting hauled out by the Lizzies and the Grays and they make themselves look and seem nice to him, is that it?

A: Laura, 3 and 4 don’t jibe.

Q: (L) Are there 3rd level Lizzies?

A: All these are 4th who sometimes travel to 3rd rules are totally different in 4th density have you not grasped this yet?

Tape runs out. We decided to stop at this point as we were tired.


2.35 December 28, 1994

Q: Hello.

A: Hello. Wonderland.

Q: (L) What does “Wonderland” have to do with anything?

A: It just popped to mind.

Q: (L) Since this happens from time to time, an odd word or phrase pops to mind as the connection is made, is this because that particular thought is occupying the point in space\time where the connection is made?

A: Laura, such an active imagination you have, my dear!

Q: (V) I think they just mean they see all the Christmas cheer and so forth… (L) Well, why do these little phrases just “pop” in… ? It’s curious.

A: Why not?

Q: (L) Who do we have with us tonight?

A: Rollaea?

Q: (L) Haven’t you been with us before?

A: No. And yes.

Q: (L) Well, we have two or three things on the agenda tonight. The first thing I would like to ask for Suzanne Konicov…

A: Where are we from?

Q: (L) I’m sorry, where are you from?

A: Cassiopaea. If you don’t ask, how do you know who we are?

Q: (L) Well, good point. If you were the Lizzies and I asked, wouldn’t you answer that you were the Cassiopaeans to deceive me?

A: They would not.

Q: (L) Well, aren’t they telling Eddie Page that they are the Pleiadeans?

A: Not Lizzies.

Q: (L) Okay, who is telling Eddie Page that they are the Pleiadeans?

A: Orion STS.

Q: (L) Well, if you were Orion STS and we asked who you were, wouldn’t you say you were the Cassiopaeans?

A: No. Pleiadians. That is “trendy” thus deceptive.

Q: (L) Back to my question. Now, at one point in the transcript of past sessions you said that you could not help the Jews or the Native Americans who called upon you, and yet, you say that when we call on you that you can help us. What is the difference?

A: Did not say that, review transcript now!

Q: (L) Well, what I remember is that I asked if our race was going to be wiped out by the Lizzies and the answer was “Maybe.” And then… well, I’ll get it out now… okay, it says here; “We don’t want to be abducted, can’t we stop it?” And you answered: “Not likely, they have more power than you.” Then I asked: “Why can’t you help us?” and you answered: “Would interfere in natural progression of your race and theirs. The Jews called upon us to save them and we could not. And the natives of your land called upon us and we could not save them from your race. We could not stop that either. It is natural progression, see?” And then I asked: “Are we going to be wiped out by aliens as part of this natural progression?” Answer: “Maybe…” Okay, so, in a sense, the question related specifically to stopping abductions and you said no, you could not stop that and you said that you could not save the Jews or the Native Americans because it would interfere in Natural Progression… yet you said you could help us individually if we called upon you for help… What is the difference?

A: We cannot interfere to help, knowledge protects, ignorance endangers. You can help yourselves to gain knowledge, we can be the “conduit.”

Q: (V) So, that is a misinterpretation on all our parts of what this help might or might not be? (L) We have a couple of other things that we have been discussing here this evening that I am sure that we all want to know about. The first thing is: Could we have a little reading for our friend Sandra D. who has been in the hospital. What is the root of the problem and how can we help her or how can she help herself to get better?

A: Sandra has chosen her karmic path. Her problem is manifesting in several locations: heart, weight affects all other organs in the body.

Q: (L) Does Sandra have attachments causing physical problems?

A: Not the issue. Physical reflection.

Q: (L) If she changes her diet will her health improve?

A: She will improve only if she chooses to. We cannot interfere, but she could always choose to explore her subconscious, but we must warn this will be a “tall order.”

Q: (L) Now, before Frank arrived, V__ and I were having a discussion about physics and psychology and it is my understanding from experience and study, that emotions, as human beings term them, are related to physiology, to chemicals, and can be controlled by thoughts. And, that if we choose to change our emotions, we have only to change our thinking. Is this correct?

A: Partly.

Q: (V) What you are saying is true, and that is all fine and dandy, but how many of the population can do that? Would even believe that they could do that? (L) Not very many. Less than ten percent. (V) Well, then, how does the definition…

A: That is not the issue?

Q: (L) Well then, what is the issue?

A: Karma.

Q: (L) Are emotions that are carried over karmically, do they affect the physical body that they come into in a chemical way…

A: Can.

Q: (V) So Laura’s hypothesis that all emotions stem from chemicals is not necessarily true as an exclusive statement?

A: Okay.

Q: (L) Does the soul have emotions of its own as we human beings term emotions?

A: Close.

Q: (L) What emotions does the soul experience?

A: Complex.

Q: (L) Can the soul, at an absolute level, experience hatred, for example?

A: Not same state.

Q: (L) Well, when one is dealing with psychology, what would be the best approach… what is the true aspect of the self or the being that one should inquire into in order to heal?

A: Subconscious mind.

Q: (V) Is the statement that psychology studies emotions, is that a fair statement?

A: No. Subconscious is same in body or out.

Q: (V) The subconscious is part of the soul?

A: One and same.

Q: (V) Is the higher self the same as the soul and the subconscious?

A: Yes.

Q: (V) Please define true psychology for me?

A: Half.

Q: (L) What do you mean by half? What is the half?

A: Half spirituality.

Q: (V) Do you think that the spiritual part put together with the subconscious part is a good way to approach psychology as I have been planning?

A: Be careful of “influences,” you are easily influenced.

Q: (V) Is this directed at me and my idea of spiritual psychology?

A: Yes. And no.

Q: (V) What influences?

A: Any.

Q: (V) That is kind of open, isn’t it? (L) Well, you never answered the question about “true” psychology. You only said “Half.” What is true psychology? Is it the investigation of the subconscious mind?

A: True psychology only half.

Q: (L) And what is true psychology, a definition? Was it as I said, an investigation of the subconscious mind?

A: Physiologically directed study of mind.

Q: (L) The effects on the mind of the physiology, the hormones, blood sugar levels and so forth, input and output of the various organs and how that can affect the thought processes, is that correct?

A: Close.

Q: (L) And that is half of it. What else?

A: Spirit is missing half.

Q: (L) And what would the person who is working on the spiritual half of it focus their energies on? Would it be techniques of meditation, understanding the nature of the universe, would it have to do with physics, what area?

A: Apples and oranges.

Q: (L) All of those things are apples and oranges compared to the spiritual application of psychology that you intend?

A: No. Spirit has nothing to do with psychology as you know it.

Q: (L) But, in this theoretical psychology that you are telling us about, how would you fit the spiritual aspect into it?

A: Totally restructure theory.

Q: (L) Okay, and how would you present this totally restructured theory?

A: Much too complex.

Q: (L) In the discussion of psychology that we have had here, obviously you think that there is something about the way you have discussed it that V__ has missed or would miss because of influences from other sources, is that correct?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) In terms of these sources that influence her, by what means of her system, her organic or spiritual system, do these influences tap into her being?

A: Visual and auditory.

Q: (L) Okay, so she sees things and hears things that influence her, is that correct?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And where does she usually see or hear these things?

A: Scholastic.

Q: (L) So, these are scholastic things that you are talking about. She hears and sees things at school that influence her, that you say these influences are not going to be helpful in what she is ultimately trying to achieve, is that correct?

A: Bingo!

Q: (L) These things that she sees and hears, are they people and words that the people speak, or are they images such as film images, or just general…

A: All of the above.

Q: (V) Okay, now listen guys: if I don’t go to school to get an education, and, in other words, to get the degree and get the credibility, then how am I going to be able to do any work? (L) Did you ever think that the people you would want to work with wouldn’t come to anybody with a traditional degree?

A: Laura, let us answer.

Q: (L) I’m sorry. I’ll butt out.

A: Why do you think you need a degree?

Q: (V) Well, the professional world here on planet Earth is built around degrees. I’m sure you are aware of that.

A: Incorrect!

Q: (L) People with degrees are in bread-lines… I’m sorry… I’ll shut up. (V) Well, my goodness… so then I…

A: Disinformation cleverly and carefully orchestrated.

Q: (L) For what purpose?

A: To mislead.

Q: (V) To mislead in what way? What am I being led away from?

A: Not just you.

Q: (V) All psych students are misled?

A: All humans.

Q: (L) Are you saying that the public school system, including the college system, is deliberately designed and implemented to fill one’s brain with false knowledge, to perpetuate Lizzie rule?

A: Close but this manifests at lower levels too.

Q: (V) Well, let me ask this question… is this the only species in the universe that studies this concept of psychology? Are there psychologists in Orion, are there psychologists in Cassiopaea?

A: Narrow concept.

Q: (L) What do you mean it’s a narrow concept? (V) I mean, I mean… (L) Do you understand what they mean? (V) No, but what I mean is are we the only thinking, intelligent, types of people that… (L) I don’t think that’s what they meant to imply. (V) Well, it’s not coming out right. You know, I sit here and I try and put things into words and it’s so hard…

A: Expand your mind.

Q: (V) I’m trying to. (L) By what means?

A: Less prejudice.

Q: (L) Bet you never thought you would be called prejudiced, did you? (V) Prejudice about what? I don’t think they are talking about blacks and whites… (L) I know, but there are other kinds…

A: The universe is an infinite illusion.

Q: (V) Jesus Christ! You guys…

A: We are not Jesus Christ.

Q: (V) That was just an exclamation… (L) They know that. I think they are being funny. (V) Ha, ha. Well, then, I guess… okay, when you say the universe is an infinite illusion, then why not close the eyes, lights out and the illusion is over?

A: Stop focusing so narrowly and rigidly.

Q: (V) Now, I don’t think that’s fair because I sit around all the time not focusing on narrow… (L) I know nothing! They already told me to shut up! Alright, you guys, you better help V__ out here because she is losing it… (V) Well I’m, I’m…

A: Blast your mind open.

Q: (V) Alright. You guys have said you are with us at all times, then you must know that I constantly am thinking about the possibilities… not even to think about possibilities, just accept that there is endless, boundless possibilities and move forward every day from that point of view?

A: That’s a good start.

Q: (V) Well, if I have as open a mind as I do, I mean, I think I have a pretty open mind, what do you guys consider an open mind? Does anybody sitting here have the ultimate open mind? (L) Don’t include me in this… I don’t want them starting on me! (V) No, I mean how… as 3rd dimensional beings, how open can our minds be? Can you not tell that I am trying?

A: You are moving to 4th level, but all are not at same level of progression.

Q: (L) Are you saying here that V__ is much farther along than many people?

A: No.

Q: (L) Well, are you saying that she’s got a good start? (V) Am I doing… let’s put it this way, if I am moving on in my progression, what are the most critical things that I am doing in my moving and my progressing to move faster, that’s making it happen? What are the key things that I do…

A: Association with individuals who speed your progress.

Q: (V) And naturally, that’s Laura and Frank, correct?

A: Maybe. That is up to you.

Q: (V) Okay, association with individuals who speed my progress, that’s one of the things that I do right, that’s what you said, right?

A: Okay.

Q: (V) Is that the only key thing that I do?

A: Learning involves discovery.

Q: (V) Alright… So then, am I wasting my precious time going to school to get a degree in psychology?

A: Open.

Q: (L) I just think if going to school makes you happy, do it, but don’t take it too seriously. (V) Are you saying that I can be so influenced that I …

A: Influence comes not from experience but belief.

Q: (V) Well, if you guys hadn’t just instilled within me that what I am doing, my education, is also being highly influenced, then would I ever have had the belief that you are talking about? Are you part of the influence? (L) What are you saying here? (V) Influence comes not from experience but belief… I didn’t have a belief before this that I could… (L) Okay, in other words you have warned her about influences therefore, it is now okay for her to continue on her daily path as it is currently set up because she has been warned and is aware, is that correct?

A: Close.

Q: (V) My understanding is that the whole psychology thing, you know because Frank pooh poohs it all the time, and its that even though the teachings of Freud and all the others, Erikson, Horney and so forth, may not apply to the whole universe, they do apply to the species as a society…

A: Application is subjective.

Q: (L) So V__ is okay to continue along her current path, and there are a lot of benefits she is receiving from going to school including networking, as it exists for her… (V) Yes, I do a lot of seed planting while I am at school…

A: Okay, but be careful of influences.

Q: (L) Well, I guess that is it. You have the knowledge now and you’re loaded for bear.

A: Now, you could gain much more knowledge by independent study and meditation.

Q: (V) Well, the knowledge that I want to gain in psychology and in school, and all of this is in order to help other people grow. (L) I think that what they are telling you is that the knowledge that you want you are not going to get there. That is the whole issue.

A: Why do you feel you need a degree?

Q: (V) Like I said, for credibility. It’s also a legal aspect of practicing. You just don’t practice…

A: Nonsense!

Q: (V) But you are not going to tell me how I can do this otherwise, are you?

A: We just did, but because you are not yet open, you did not recognize this.

Q: (V) So, independent study and meditation is the true way that I could find how to help other people?

A: Yes.

Q: (V) So, in other words, if it is going to happen, it is going to happen. No need to force the issue, huh? Okay, once this is published and people start being aware of what we do, what will they be looking for?

A: Everything.

Q: (L) You did say that once we got on the network, things would happen suddenly and dramatically. Now, as you must know, I did have an automobile accident the day after I got hooked up to the network, as you can see. I am put back together now with screws and tape!!! I’m sure I look charming! Now, oddly, as I was driving, just a few minutes prior to the accident, I was thinking very strongly of the fact that you Cassiopaeans were with me and I was saying to you in my mind that I wished you would also go and help my friend, Sandra, who was in the hospital. I was planning on rushing through my Christmas Eve and going to the hospital to give her Reiki. And then, Kowabonga! I got the smasho- smacko in the rear. Why did this happen? What did I do wrong? Is this what you meant by “sudden and dramatic?”

A: All happens for a reason.

Q: (L) Was there something I was supposed to learn from this smash-up?

A: If so, learn by meditating.

Q: (L) Is there something about our state of being that we can be sitting there thinking loving thoughts about others and then we get smashed?

A: Meditate.

Q: (V) Is her accident directly connected with getting on line? (L) Well, they didn’t kill me, though they tried!

Q: (V) Back to my question…

A: Not necessary to answer.

Q: (L) Is that because I know the answer?

A: Okay.

Q: (L) And my answer is that there is a definite connection between the accident and getting hooked up, is that correct?

A: You explore well.

Q: (L) I think… now, my whole spinal column snapped like a whip on impact and I did have a concussion… and my shoulder is in REALLY bad shape… I am really surprised that they didn’t keep me in the hospital longer…

A: You must be a “Whippersnapper.”

Q: (L) Are there going to be some really positive results from the computer net? I mean, this is a rather painful beginning.

A: What have we told you?

Q: (V) Well, let’s turn it on now.

A: Good idea.

Q: (L) Good night.


2.36 December 31, 1994

Q: Hello.

A: Hello. Did you get last message?

Q: Yes, the last message was: We are happy to see more people here.

A: Yes. Say hello to M and Billy, Luanne, Glenn and others. You have visitors in ethereal plane because of holiday get together and we brought 4 here because it is time for exposure. Terry keep up, this is the night for important stuff.

Q: Okay, who needs to be on the board. You asked for Terry, can I trade with DM?

A: Okay.

A: Okay now. DM

Q: (DM) Hi.

A: Ease up on pressure. Very important: this time measurement year represents big changes.

Q: Changes of what sort?

A: Spiritual linked to physical on planet.

Q: I guess you are going to tell us?

A: Terry on board. Keep fingers on.

Q: (T) It’s hard, you’re moving so fast tonight. Energy’s up.

A: Power is explosive. (Many spins around board.)

Q: (T) Well, happy New Year to ya’ll, too!

A: We want you all to succeed this year.

Q: (DM) In what?

A: To send messages.

Q: (DM) Thank you.

A: DM easy on pressure.

Q: (T) You guys are moving so fast tonight we have to hang on. (DM) I’m just trying to keep up.

A: You’re correct.

Q: (V) Are you guys ready for a couple of questions?

A: Okay.

Q: (V) This right here I picked up at the Tampa Metaphysical bookstore, (Holds up rock), it is supposed to be a piece of meteorite. What can you tell me about this? I was told that it’s used for transformation.

A: Bogus. (Laughter)

Q: (DM) It’s funny, the word came into my mind!

A: We are going through you and Frank tonight. Easy, DM. DM sell house this month.

Q: (DM) Yes! Can you give me a day?

A: 19th. Drop price 2,000 dollars.

Q: (DM) I can live with that.

A: You got it.

Q: (DM) Should I drop it or dicker it?

A: Drop it now.

Q: (V) Let’s ask about this letter. I received a letter in the mail today that is really perplexing us all. Can you tell me what this letter is about?

A: Third party got ahold of privileged info.

Q: (T) Who is the third party?

A: Amos Sanders.

Q: (V) Is it my privileged information?

A: No. Consortium.

Q: (L) What is the intent of this letter?

A: 3rd party got your bio off files.

Q: (V) What files?

A: Computer grid.

Q: (T) What computer grid?


Q: (T) Has this letter been set up by the FBI?

A: No. Amos Sanders broke into system.

Q: (V) How am I mixed up in this? (T) Who is Amos? (DM) Maybe it’s an acronym.

A: New license.

Q: (V) I just got a new license in November. (T) A driver’s license? (V) Yes. (T) Is this the DMV computer system?


Q: (T) Why is V in the FBI computer system?

A: You all are on file.

Q: (L) Is that “you all” as in everybody in the country or just us specifically?

A: You and others.

Q: (V) Well, what course do I need to contact… the police… what course of action do I need to take with this? This is fraud…

A: Ignore it.

Q: (T) Is this letter a set-up?

A: No Amos is “nuts.” Crazy “genius.” Breaks into files.

Q: (T) The guy mentioned in the letter is “Wilbur”.

A: False name.

Q: (V) So this is in no way… this is not a threat to me financially or in the future legally wise… somebody…

A: But you are on FBI file.

Q: (T) Why is she on the FBI file? (V) Because I know too much.

A: Piano.

Q: (Terry and Laura) Piano? (V) I have a piano debt. Why would that be on the FBI file? (J) What? (V) Is there a warrant out for my arrest? (laughter) (T) Why do they have her on file for a debt for a piano?

A: Tracer. They know all and keep track of everyone and every thing.

Q: (T) Is there more to this than just general tracing of debt and license accessed by a nut?

A: Not yet.

Q: (T) Well why, besides the debt, would they be interested in watching her?

A: Your activities.

Q: (L) In specific?

A: Metaphysical.

Q: (T) The FBI is watching people who are involved in metaphysics?

A: And UFOs.

Q: (T) Well, they always watch us UFO people… (DM) Are they watching people like Eddie Page?

A: Eddie Page file “one.”

Q: (T) What is a file “one?”

A: Top priority.

Q: (V) Well, let’s hope my file is a “200.” What priority is my file?

A: Four.

Q: (T) What is a level “4” file?

A: 4th most important.

Q: (V) Well, what about Frank? (T) Is Eddie Page telling the truth?

A: Some.

Q: (DM) What is he not telling the truth about?

A: Too many things.

Q: (T) So, his story is mostly false?

A: He believes.

Q: (V) Are these FBI files that have to do with metaphysical and UFO business and what have you, are they more than just the government? Are they connected to…

A: Are you listening?

Q: (V) Am I listening? Of course I’m listening.

A: FBI tracks everyone.

Q: (V) Okay, so just don’t worry about it. (T) I can just imagine what my file looks like! (L) The computer systems are so advanced it is no trouble for them to even know what color toilet paper you buy. (Laughter) I mean, the checker at the store tells what color toilet paper you buy on your receipt… “Scottissue:blue”…

A: V prefers green.

Q: (L) Do you prefer Green? (V) Yes, but I have white. (V) Are you telling me I’m supposed to use green toilet paper? (T) They are perfecting 3rd level humor at 4th level. (laughter)

A: Joke.

Q: (T) You’re getting good at it too! (DM) I’d like to know what they look like. (L) Did you read the transcripts? We already asked that. (DM) No, I haven’t gotten to it yet.

A: We are light beings, we are you in the future.

Q: (L) Susanne K. talked to me about Al Bielek. Previously you had said that Al was an agent of the government disseminating disinformation for one thing, number two: that he knew that he was an agent of the government; there’s a little confusion about his participation in the Philadelphia Project; I found a reference to him in an Ivan Sanderson book published some time ago. Susanne says that this poor guy just lives from hand to mouth, and she finds it hard to believe that he is an agent of the government since he lives such a poverty stricken existence. Could you comment, please, on Al Bielek and his activities. (T) Is Al an agent for the government?

A: Al Bielek is many faceted. Poverty is subjective.

Q: (L) Is he an agent for the government. (T) They say he is many faceted.

A: Yes. But he is in involved in activities.

Q: (T) In one session you talked about Al Bielek you indicated he was, um, not actually involved in the Philadelphia Experiment, that he was a technician on shore, and that he is now feeding out information that is provided to him, or that he had knowledge above and beyond his involvement with the experiment…

A: Close.

Q: (T) Okay, if he is working partly with the government and then partly for his own purposes, what is it that he expects to get out of this?

A: Exposure.

Q: (T) What does he want from the exposure?

A: He wants people to know.

Q: (L) Is it possible that he is giving out some true information along with disinformation, so that the information itself can be gotten out, could it be that his intentions might be…

A: Confused thought pattern.

Q: (L) Is that my thoughts or Al’s thoughts?

A: Bingo! Laura’s.

Q: (T) Does Al know that he is giving out false information… does he know that the information the government is giving him is false?

A: He is so involved you would not believe.

Q: (T) He is involved with the government cover-up?

A: With all of it. He knows that what he is saying is false but he has no choice because he is entangled in the web. They are using him.

Q: (L) Ask about this letter Susanne sent from some source that states that Jesus was a mythical character.

A: No, Jesus was not mythical.

Q: (T) What about this information from this Acharya?

A: Babble.

Q: (L) What is the point of this stuff? It is very well done. Why are they trying to prove that Jesus never existed?

A: Nonsense. It is disinformation. Desinformatzia. Russki.

Q: (T) This is from Russia?

A: No, we were having some fun with words.

Q: Mirth! Mirth! (T) Are any of the people they are copying this to believing this stuff?

A: Some.

Q: (T) Is UFO Library going to print this?

A: Who knows.

Q: (T) Well, I wouldn’t be surprised if it is in there next month.

A: There is a lot of garbage in there each month.

Q: (L) Well, this is on a different subject, but, has M ever been abducted by aliens?

A: Yes, starting at age three. Do you remember “ghost at corner window” at 3 yrs old?

Q: (M) I remember something very vaguely. I think I told Frank the story. Something happened and I think I woke up screaming. I saw something. When was the last time?

A: At age 22.

Q: (V) How many times has M been abducted?

A: 23 times.

Q: (M) Will I be abducted again?

A: Yes.

Q: (M) When?

A: It depends on belief center.

Q: (L) I think it might depend on how much knowledge you acquire as to whether you will be abducted again or under what circumstances.

A: Grandfather let you in on secrets of life.

Q: (M) Yes, yes. He taught me a lot and I think that’s what they mean.

A: He was a “Priority One Soul.”

Q: (L) What is a Priority One Soul?

A: One who sacrifices life’s pleasures to teach others. He was your teacher. You are lucky, M. He kept you from “trouble.”

Q: (L) Who abducted M?

A: Grays.

Q: (L) What was the purpose of M’s abduction?

A: To study his mind. He has a very strong mind and resolve.

Q: (L) Did they put an implant in him?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And what do they do with that implant?

A: Is monitor. Frequent ringing in ear signifies monitoring activity.

Q: (Frank) Do you have frequent ringing in your ear? (M) Yes. (L) One ear more than another? (M) Yes. It is kind of a tone. (T) Last session when I was here you were giving us information on how to calculate when the wave is going to reach Earth. I was able to plot two of the four for distance, but two were constellations. I cannot plot those distances.

A: Check third most distant star in Cassiopaea and middle “belt” star in Orion, closest star in Leo. Welcome M to the board.

Q: (M) Well, just tell me what to do.

A: Hi, M. We are glad to have you here with us tonight. We have been trying to reach you for 18 years as you measure time.

Q: (M) Why?

A: You are destined just like the others and you know it inside. We have gone to great lengths to reach you. That is why you were brought together with Frank. Do you not remember feeling different back then?

Q: (M) What does that mean? (V) Well, when you met Frank did you feel different? (M) Yes, I guess so. (L) Anybody who meets Frank feel different! (M) Amen! Thank you! (J) I would like to point out that we have all male energy on the board. That is different!

A: You and Terry knew each other in last life, remember?

Q: (M) Well, no, I don’t. (V) You would probably remember if you would start meditating. (L) You could have past life regressions. (T) He wasn’t that guy that got me with the sword when I was in the British Navy, was he? Those cutthroats?

A: No, but on same ship! This is why you returned to England!

Q: (V) Why you returned to England. Were they brothers?

A: No.

Q: (L) M was born in England.

A: That you returned to sea. You love the water.

Q: (M) I’m confused. (T) So, M and I knew each other in our last life? When was this?

A: 1700’s

Q: (T) We didn’t have any other lives between 1700s and now?

A: Not for M. He was a sea captain with the same last name. You, M, are your great, great great, grandfather Simon E________. (Break for New Years)

January 1, 1995 [Continuation of December 31, 1994 session after break for New Year celebration.]

Q: (L) Who do we have with us tonight?

A: Cassiopaea calling. Sorrona.

Q: (L) And who are our guests?

A: You must network tonight as there are those who are awaiting your message as promised.

Q: (L) Do you mean do the board and transfer it to the network?

A: Open.

Q: (V) Have you promised somebody else that you work through that we will…. (L) No, we promised on the network…

A: You did.

Q: (L) Frank and I promised that we would channel on-line. Yes, we logged on and made the announcement and the next day I had the wreck {auto accident}. I had been promised that my life would change suddenly and dramatically.

A: It is.

Q: (L) My life is changed?

A: Yes. In process.

Q: (L) We want to know who the ethereal visitors are tonight… (T) And have they left since all the noise started?

A: Mary, Laura, John, Ruth, Terence, Todd, Vance, There’s a Ronald.

Q: (L) Is the Laura someone who is related to me?

A: Grandma.

Q: (L) Does anybody else recognize any of those names? (V) I recognize John, my uncle. Are each one of these names like a guide for each one of us?

A: No. Visitors. Attracted by energy center.

Q: (V) Have I had contact with John before?

A: Yes. Uncle.

Q: (T) Am I related to any… (V) My uncle that’s just passed on?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Is Terry related to any of these people?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Who?

A: Vance.

Q: (T) Who is Vance? (V) Do they have messages for us? (L) Who is Vance?

A: Great Uncle.

Q: (L) Do any of these people have messages for any of us?

A: No.

Q: (V) About 5 or 6 weeks ago I was surrounded by a smell of …

A: Yes.

Q: (V) It was my uncle Wayne?

A: Yes.

Q: (V) His name was John Wayne… (L) Has D__ ever been abducted?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) When was she first abducted?

A: Age 2.

Q: (L) How many times?

A: 59.

Q: (V__ and Laura) You got the record! (T) How many were physical?

A: Not correct thinking pattern.

Q: (L) In a sense they are all physical? How many of these abductions were virtual reality abductions?

A: Everything is that.

Q: (L) Well, how many of these level 1 abductions?

A: 9

Q: (T) How many were alpha state abductions?

A: Two weeks ago felt “tingle.”

Q: (V) Well, two weeks ago was the night of the party at the book store in Tampa. (L) Okay, has Luanne ever been abducted?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) How many times?

A: 17.

Q: (LE) No way. (L) When was the first time?

A: When lived in red house.

Q: (L) Did you ever live in a red house? (Billy) Yeah, we lived in a brick house. (L) How old were you? (LE) When I was five.

A: 4

Q: (LE) We moved there when I was four right before I was five. (L) Does she have an implant?

A: No.

Q: (L) Does D__ have an implant?

A: She has 4.

Q: (D) Has 4 implants?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Where are they?

A: In brain.

Q: (L) In her brain? Ar-r-r-gh! (LE) I had lots of allergies. (D) What is their purpose?

A: Monitor.

Q: (L) That’s what they all are, monitors. (D) But, why?

A: You are aware.

Q: (L) They want to monitor you because you are aware. (T) They don’t have cable… (L) Is Susan going to be here shortly?

A: Open.

Q: (L) We want to know what kind of energy is behind Budd Hopkins?

A: Divergent.

Q: (L) Is he on the right track in his research?

A: Halfway.

Q: (T) Is the Linda Cortile case a set-up to discredit him?

A: No.

Q: (T) Everything that she says happened really happened to her?

A: In 4th density.

Q: (T) Well, all the abduction stuff was in 4 D, but being pulled out of the apartment from the 17th floor or wherever it was, and being sucked up in the beam of the light, that actually happened to her?

A: In 4th density.

Q: (T) How did people in 3rd density see it?

A: Only those who were tuned in saw it.

Q: (L) Were there people there who did not see it?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) What or who were some of the people who didn’t see it?

A: Not important.

Q: (L) Now, Whitley Strieber. (T) Can implants be removed?

A: No.

Q: (L) What is the energy fueling Whitley Strieber and his work?

A: Grays.

Q: (L) He is an agent of the Grays?

A: No. Instrument of the Grays.

Q: (T) So, all his writing is compromised by the Grays?

A: Influenced by them.

Q: (T) Well, he says that, too. (L) Well, he now thinks he has learned how to be a companion of God through these experiences.

A: Wolfen reflects Lizzie reality.

Q: (L) Who’s read the book, what’s it about? (T) I saw the movie but I never read the book. I can’t stand his Gothic style of writing. (L) I can’t stand to read his stuff either. (T) I only got half-way through Communion and gave it up. (L) Well, let me ask, while we are on the subject of writing, is Anne Rice channeling her concepts in her vampire books?

A: She also is influenced by the Grays.

{I didn’t like that answer because Anne is one of my favorite authors.)

Q: (T) What about Stephen King?

A: Carnal influences.

Q: (T) He’s writing from his cojones, eh? (laughter)

A: Okay, Terry.

Q: (L) Are there any further comments or do you want us to go on line now?

A: Yes.

[break - lively discussion. Someone mentions to V that she projects a lot of sex energy from her lower chakras]

A: V__, do not be offended, we are all learning.

Q: (V) Well, thank you so much for the honesty from everybody in the room, I really appreciate it. (LM) I wasn’t being honest, don’t blame me. (V) What chakra level is G__ operating at?

A: Chakras are like escalators, you choose your step and rise accordingly.

Q: (G) Well, I was hoping they would give me a number. I don’t know much about chakras.

A: Learn.

Q: (T) The whole thing is that we are supposed to learn for ourselves. They will point us in the right direction, but then we are supposed to go out and do it. If you don’t learn it on your own, you don’t really learn. You have to go out and fall off the log a couple times to learn to walk the log. (V) E– just told me about something that happened. Can you give me some insight?

A: Imagination.

Q: (V) Are the boys fine? Are the boys okay?

A: Boys will be boys.

Q: (V) They thought they saw a witch. (T) Who was she? It was the neighbor lady again. (L) Where was she and what was she doing? (V) What do you mean over a car that just started? (V) Their imaginations are just going.

A: How do peyote users see Santa Claus? (laughter)

Q: (V) Are the boys doing drugs tonight?

A: Nope. (Undecipherable comment from G– amidst laughter.) When did you last see this in Rochester, G–?

Q: (G) Never! [Much laughter]

A: Bingo!

Q: (V) That kind of smacks of Frank’s “When did you ever see this in Half-Moon Bay, V__?” (L) Where do you think Frank is getting it from? (V) Aren’t we all being enlightened? (T) Is this…

A: Frank is channel. Others are grooving rapidly.

Q: (T) Others of us?

A: Yes. Forming conduit.

Q: (V) You were real happy to see all of us here together this evening…

A: Yes.

Q: (V) Can we look forward to a greater group and a greater gathering as the year progresses?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) Will it reach a point where there is too many people?

A: No.

Q: (V) Is this like a community gathering? A society?

A: A conduit.

Q: (T) If I am not supposed to be at Home Shopping, {employer} where am I supposed to be?

A: Discover.

Q: (T) Am I supposed to be doing another kind of a job or is there something entirely different that I am supposed to be doing?

A: Discover.

Q: (L) Is he going to come to this awareness after he does some hypnotic work and processes?

A: Open.

Q: (V) With meditation and metaphysical exercise, I can lift my chakras higher, is this correct?

A: Yes.

Q: (V) Dedication?

A: Yes.

Q: (V) Is it all in what I perceive my purpose to be?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) [Indicating little plastic dinosaur] Do you like our little mascot here on the table?

A: Okay.

Q: (V) Do you have any messages for us before we say goodnight?

A: No. Goodnight.

Q: (L) Thank you very much.


3 1995

3.1 January 1, 1995

[Continuation of December 31, 1994 session after break for New Year celebration.]

Q: (L) Who do we have with us tonight?

A: Cassiopaea calling. Sorrona.

Q: (L) And who are our guests?

A: You must network tonight as there are those who are awaiting your message as promised.

Q: (L) Do you mean do the board and transfer it to the network?

A: Open.

Q: (V) Have you promised somebody else that you work through that we will…. (L) No, we promised on the network…

A: You did.

Q: (L) Frank and I promised that we would channel on-line. Yes, we logged on and made the announcement and the next day I had the wreck. I had been promised that my life would change suddenly and dramatically.

A: It is.

Q: (L) My life is changed?

A: Yes. In process.

Q: (L) We want to know who the ethereal visitors are tonight… (T) And have they left since all the noise started?

A: Mary, Laura, John, Ruth, Terence, Todd, Vance, There’s a Ronald.

Q: (L) Is the Laura someone who is related to me?

A: Grandma.

Q: (L) Does anybody else recognize any of those names? (V) I recognize John, my uncle. Are each one of these names like a guide for each one of us?

A: No. Visitors. Attracted by energy center.

Q: (V) Have I had contact with John before?

A: Yes. Uncle.

Q: (T) Am I related to any… (V) My uncle that’s just passed on?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Is Terry related to any of these people?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Who?

A: Vance.

Q: (T) Who is Vance? (V) Do they have messages for us? (L) Who is Vance?

A: Great Uncle.

Q: (L) Do any of these people have messages for any of us?

A: No.

Q: (V) About 5 or 6 weeks ago I was surrounded by a smell of …

A: Yes.

Q: (V) It was my uncle Wayne?

A: Yes.

Q: (V) His name was John Wayne… (L) Has D__ ever been abducted?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) When was she first abducted?

A: Age 2.

Q: (L) How many times?

A: 59.

Q: (V__ and Laura) You got the record! (T) How many were physical?

A: Not correct thinking pattern.

Q: (L) In a sense they are all physical? How many of these abductions were virtual reality abductions?

A: Everything is that.

Q: (L) Well, how many of these level 1 abductions?

A: 9

Q: (T) How many were alpha state abductions?

A: Two weeks ago felt “tingle.”

Q: (V) Well, two weeks ago was the night of the party at the book store in Tampa. (L) Okay, has Luanne ever been abducted?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) How many times?

A: 17.

Q: (LE) No way. (L) When was the first time?

A: When lived in red house.

Q: (L) Did you ever live in a red house? (Billy) Yeah, we lived in a brick house. (L) How old were you? (LE) When I was five.

A: 4

Q: (LE) We moved there when I was four right before I was five. (L) Does she have an implant?

A: No.

Q: (L) Does D__ have an implant?

A: She has 4.

Q: (D) Has 4 implants?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Where are they?

A: In brain.

Q: (L) In her brain? Ar-r-r-gh! (LE) I had lots of allergies. (D) What is their purpose?

A: Monitor.

Q: (L) That’s what they all are, monitors. (D) But, why?

A: You are aware.

Q: (L) They want to monitor you because you are aware. (T) They don’t have cable… (L) Is Susan going to be here shortly?

A: Open.

Q: (L) We want to know what kind of energy is behind Budd Hopkins?

A: Divergent.

Q: (L) Is he on the right track in his research?

A: Halfway.

Q: (T) Is the Linda Cortile case a set-up to discredit him?

A: No.

Q: (T) Everything that she says happened really happened to her?

A: In 4th density.

Q: (T) Well, all the abduction stuff was in 4 D, but being pulled out of the apartment from the 17th floor or wherever it was, and being sucked up in the beam of the light, that actually happened to her?

A: In 4th density.

Q: (T) How did people in 3rd density see it?

A: Only those who were tuned in saw it.

Q: (L) Were there people there who did not see it?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) What or who were some of the people who didn’t see it?

A: Not important.

Q: (T) Can implants be removed?

A: No.

Q: (L) What is the energy fueling Whitley Strieber and his work?

A: Grays.

Q: (L) He is an agent of the Grays?

A: No. Instrument of the Grays.

Q: (T) So, all his writing is compromised by the Grays?

A: Influenced by them.

Q: (T) Well, he says that, too. (L) Well, he now thinks he has learned how to be a companion of God through these experiences.

A: Wolfen reflects Lizzie reality.

Q: (L) Who’s read the book, what’s it about? (T) I saw the movie but I never read the book. I can’t stand his Gothic style of writing. (L) I can’t stand to read his stuff either. (T) I only got half-way through Communion and gave it up. (L) Well, let me ask, while we are on the subject of writing, is Anne Rice channeling her concepts in her vampire books?

A: She also is influenced by the Grays.

Q: (T) What about Stephen King?

A: Carnal influences.

Q: (T) He’s writing from his cojones, eh? (laughter)

A: Okay, Terry.

Q: (L) Are there any further comments or do you want us to go on line now?

A: Yes. {break - discussion lost. Apparently someone said something that V took offense to, probably about her strong sex chakra emanations.}

A: V__, do not be offended, we are all learning.

Q: (V) Well, thank you so much for the honesty from everybody in the room, I really appreciate it. (LM) I wasn’t being honest, don’t blame me. (V) What chakra level is G__ operating at?

A: Chakras are like escalators, you choose your step and rise accordingly.

Q: (G) Well, I was hoping they would give me a number. I don’t know much about chakras.

A: Learn.

Q: (T) The whole thing is that we are supposed to learn for ourselves. They will point us in the right direction, but then we are supposed to go out and do it. If you don’t learn it on your own, you don’t really learn. You have to go out and fall off the log a couple times to learn to walk the log. (V) E– {her son} just told me about something that happened. Can you give me some insight?

A: Imagination.

Q: (V) Are the boys fine? Are the boys okay?

A: Boys will be boys.

Q: (V) They thought they saw a witch. (T) Who was she? It was the neighbor lady again. (L) Where was she and what was she doing? (V on phone to her son and friend) What do you mean over a car that just started? (V to people in room) Their imaginations are just going.

A: How do peyote users see Santa Claus? {laughter - V hangs up phone}

Q: (V) Are the boys doing drugs tonight?

A: Nope. (Undecipherable comment from G– amidst laughter.) When did you last see this in Rochester, G–?

Q: (G) Never! {Much laughter}

A: Bingo!

Q: (V) That kind of smacks of Frank’s “When did you ever see this in Half-Moon Bay, V__?” (L) Where do you think Frank is getting it from? (V) Aren’t we all being enlightened? (T) Is this…

A: Frank is channel. Others are grooving rapidly.

Q: (T) Others of us?

A: Yes. Forming conduit.

Q: (V) You were real happy to see all of us here together this evening…

A: Yes.

Q: (V) Can we look forward to a greater group and a greater gathering as the year progresses?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) Will it reach a point where there is too many people?

A: No.

Q: (V) Is this like a community gathering? A society?

A: A conduit.

Q: (T) If I am not supposed to be at Home Shopping {his employer}, where am I supposed to be?

A: Discover.

Q: (T) Am I supposed to be doing another kind of a job or is there something entirely different that I am supposed to be doing?

A: Discover.

Q: (L) Is he going to come to this awareness after he does some hypnotic work and processes?

A: Open.

Q: (V) With meditation and metaphysical exercise, I can lift my chakras higher, is this correct?

A: Yes.

Q: (V) Dedication?

A: Yes.

Q: (V) Is it all in what I perceive my purpose to be?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) {Indicating little plastic dinosaur on table by board} Do you like our little mascot here on the table?

A: Okay.

Q: (V) Do you have any messages for us before we say goodnight?

A: No. Goodnight.

Q: (L) Thank you very much.


3.2 January 2, 1995

Frank and Laura

Q: Hello.

A: Hello.

Q: (L) Who is with us?

A: Rivia.

Q: (L) And, where are you from?

A: Cassiopaea.

Q: (L) Have you been listening to Frank talk about his woes and miseries?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) What do you have in response to his woes and miseries, since he is the primary channel, it seems to me that it ought to behoove you to give him some kind of a word on this matter…

A: Open.

Q: (L) What do you mean it is open? Is he going to…

A: Is under attack, as previously described.

Q: (L) Well, would it not behoove him to not respond negatively in thought word or deed and to take care of business as best he can and trust that it will all work out? Because, by becoming all discombobulated, he is giving off negative energy…

A: His methods accomplish the task.

Q: (L) So, in other words, it is alright for him to get all emotionally wrought up and to spout off all these violently…

A: That repels attacking forces because they thrive upon blase passivity.

Q: (L) Well, we are not talking about passivity here. Are you sure you are a Cassiopaean? It sounds to me like you are saying he ought to be giving off… I think we are pulling in Lizzies because of your negativity…

A: Incorrect, you have your “way” of repelling attack, and Frank has his.

Q: (L) Well I just don’t see how a whole bunch of negative energy in thought and word can repel beings who thrive on negative energy. I mean, they should be just rolling in joy that they are making him so miserable that he has to carry on that way which then makes me miserable.

A: Not miserable when repelling.

Q: (L) Well, then, the problem here is that when he does this, everybody else he does it around, it makes them miserable, so, what’s the deal here?

A: Subjective, your methods can cause perception of upset too.

Q: (L) Yes, I know this, but I am working on being totally unmoved by attack, isn’t that the whole point here?

A: If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.

Q: (L) So, I should continue, when I get upset or attacked, to just rave and rant and yell and scream and carry on?

A: You don’t, you attack back, externally. Frank attacks back internally. The external manifestation is merely overflow and harmless if recognized correctly.

Q: (L) My understanding is that service to others involves complete lack of concern for self. Therefore, the objective is to have complete lack of concern for self, therefore one would be in such a state of lack of concern for self that when one feels oneself to be under attack, so to speak, or being baited or jabbed, one would simply utterly and entirely disregard this and continue on in a peaceful way. Now, am I misapprehending this in some way?

A: Not misapprehending, misinterpreting.

Q: (L) So, I misinterpret Frank’s lack of regard for my feelings because he spouts off and upsets me… that’s really a service to others activity and it is only my subjectivity that makes me get upset, therefore, I should eliminate my subjectivity as a service to him so that he can continue to spew off and therefore not upset me, is that what we are getting at here?

A: Off base.

Q: (L) Well, that is what you are saying.

A: That’s what you want to believe we are saying, but we are not we are saying all should strive to be objective.

Q: (L) Well, I don’t think it is being objective for every little sling and arrow of misfortune to throw somebody into a tailspin. I think part of the whole process is to learn how to go smoothly through all this stuff. And, what you are saying here is don’t worry about going through stuff, just dump…

A: You are all learning, including Frank.

Q: (L) Well, let’s just drop it. It doesn’t make any sense.

A: Your perception, there is much to this whole process that is manifest on other levels, levels other than 3rd…

Q: (L) Well, I just don’t think you really understand what is going on. I think that it’s…

A: Yes we do. You do not. Open your mind.

Q: (L) Well the only thing I can change about this whole thing is to just stop listening when Frank moans and groans about things that I know everybody else has gone through without moaning and groaning, cause it is entirely, extremely irritating to me to have to listen to it when everybody else has been through it and kept a stiff upper lip.

A: If Frank tried to keep a “stiff upper lip” it would destroy him because of his make-up, which does not correspond to that of most others; try to recognize differences.

Q: (L) Well, I recognize the differences, but I am only human too.

A: If you were asked to be passive toward aggressors, how would you feel about that?

Q: (L) Well, I thought that was what I was supposed to be practicing and, in fact, have been. I thought that this whole thing was about doing and practicing things to make us different than we had been programmed to be.

A: When it is wholly within your “comfort zone” not before, remember, in “Bringers of the Dawn” it says to do that which is effortless.

Q: (L) Okay, it says to do what is effortless. It takes a lot of effort to put up with Frank when he is like that so he will have to swear and vow that he will never complain to me again. Agreed. It takes too much effort for me to deal with it.

A: Would cause karmic backsliding.

Q: (L) Now, just a minute here. You just said to do what is effortless. I said it takes a lot of effort for me to put up with that kind of stuff, and now you are saying that this will cause me karmic backsliding?

A: No we said “do” that which is effortless, “acceptance” is another matter entirely.

Q: (L) What does that mean? (F) I think that what it means is that if you are doing something that is one thing, accepting is another thing. If I have some sort of foible that you don’t like, that is not doing. Whether you accept it or not has nothing to do with doing. I accept you, foibles and all, but you are saying that you simply refuse to… (Laura) But I don’t attack you, either. (F) I don’t attack you. (L) But, it amounts to the same thing to me. To have to listen to moaning and groaning that repeats over and over is the same thing as being attacked. I listen to everybody’s troubles all day long and I get sick of people complaining who never do anything about their problems. (F) Well, you don’t say that it is my problems that bother you, it’s everybody’s problems, and it did say that there is karmic significance here which means that you must have brought yourself into a situation where you are surrounded with other people all moaning and groaning about their problems. And, you chose this. If you didn’t want to listen to other people’s problems, why did you get married and have kids? (L) Well, you would think that my friends would know that I don’t need to have problems dumped on me… (F) Who is dumping problems on you? You keep saying this as if somehow… (L) Well, let’s drop it… I want to ask: the other night Frank read my palm and gave me several bits of information. When he reads palms does he direct channel this information?

A: Some.

Q: (L) Where does the other information come from when he is reading palms?

A: Varied.

Q: (L) Well, one thing he said to me was about something buried in my cellar. Is there, in fact, something buried in my cellar?

A: Discover.

Q: (L) How am I to discover it other than digging the whole cellar out?

A: Patience will pave path.

Q: (L) Does that give me a clue that something is buried under the steps to the cellar rather than under the cellar itself?

A: No.

Q: (L) Well, I was down there today - I had the kids empty the cellar out - I went around tapping and knocking, and…

A: Yes.

Q: (L) I used a pendulum and dowsed. I came up with a spot using a pendulum, I found a spot. I used the sledge hammer and broke open a part of the cellar floor, dug down four feet, and there was nothing there. Now, I don’t look forward to doing that over a 9 by 7 space, and I certainly don’t intend to knock all the walls down…

A: Part of discovery process, test dowsing skill on known entities in order to refine process.

Q: (L) Well, either dowsing works or it doesn’t, wouldn’t you say? Test it on known…

A: Depends upon skill of dowser as in all psychic talents.

Q: (L) Well, the clue I am getting from that is that I may not be the one to do the dowsing, is that correct?

A: If you take one piano lesson and fail to produce Chopin, does that mean you should give up the piano?

Q: (L) Well, let me ask this, give me a straight answer on this one, is there something down there so that we should continue working on the project?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Is it worth tearing up the damn cellar to find it?

A: Up to you.

Q: (L) Well, let me ask you this, is it worth five thousand dollars?

A: To some.

Q: (L) Is it worth ten thousand dollars?

A: Discover.

Q: (L) What is it? (F) Money, it could be gold, it could be jewelry, it could be a valuable stock certificate. (L) Speaking of stock certificates, I have an old stock certificate for one share in the Elk’s Club, it is very, very old. Is it worth anything and should I pursue having it checked out?

A: Yes.


3.3 January 5, 1995

Frank and Laura

Q: (L) Hello, who do we have with us tonight?

A: Turoian.

Q: (L) Where are you from?

A: Cass.

Q: (L) Cass? Are we abbreviating Cassiopaea now?

A: Sure, why not.

Q: (L) Well, I am sure that you must be aware of the excitement yesterday with the confirmation of the information received some time ago about J__’s past incarnation as a pilot in Viet Nam…

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Well, I would like to have a few more details about this G__ R__ K__. Is this, in fact, the individual who is incarnated as my son?

A: Probably, but up to you to discover so as to learn. Remember, its all just lessons.

Q: (L) Well, what I would like to do is get some information from you and then do a session with J*** and then compare the information, to have a sort of guideline to go by, would that be alright.

A: Okey dokey.

Q: (L) The first thing I want to ask is this: G__ R__ K__, the probable individual, could you tell us what kind of plane he was flying?

A: EC 121.

Q: (L) How many other people were on board that plane?

A: 15.

Q: (L) And was that plane shot down?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) It did not just simply crash, is that correct?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) What was it doing when it was shot down?

A: Combination reconnaissance and bombing.

Q: (L) Who was the pilot of the plane?

A: There were two.

Q: (L) What were their names?

A: G__ and G__. The “Two G’s.”

Q: (L) Now, G__ R__’s sister called me, what is her reaction to this information?

A: Anticipation.

Q: (L) What is she anticipating?

A: Reunion.

Q: (L) Because of this information, A__, of course, has inquired as to who she was in her last lifetime. So, could you tell me this?

A: Rebecca Rendell.

Q: (L) Where did she live?

A: Georgia.

Q: (L) What year was she born?

A: 1900.

Q: (L) When did she die in that lifetime?

A: 1963.

Q: (L) Is this the lifetime she recalled under hypnosis where she finds herself sitting and waiting and says that everyone is gone, has deserted her, she is alone?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) What is the situation surrounding that? Why does she feel so abandoned and alone?

A: Alcoholism.

Q: (L) She was an alcoholic?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Was she abandoned and left alone because of her alcoholism?

A: Husband problems.

Q: (L) She had problems with her husband because of the alcoholism or did the problems with husband cause the alcoholism?

A: Interwoven.

Q: (L) Did she have children in that lifetime?

A: One.

Q: (L) When was that child born?

A: 1919.

Q: (L) Is that child living today?

A: No.

Q: (L) Did she have any grandchildren?

A: Three.

Q: (L) Was the child a boy or girl?

A: Girl. Fonora Jean. {Or Nora Jean}

Q: (L) The next one I want to ask about is A__. Who was A__ in her last lifetime?

A: Have you finished with J__?

Q: (L) Well, I guess I could ask a few more questions about J__. What else could I ask?

A: Searing his lungs with flames.

Q: (L) Did that happen in the plane crash?

A: Immediately after missile strike.

Q: (L) Tell us more of what you are seeing at this moment.

A: Breathing in fire.

Q: (L) Was this the cause of death?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Is this the reason J__ has suffered from asthma?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And, you previously said the leg was torn off with the missile strike, is this correct?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Are there any other injuries that occurred that he would be experiencing backlash from at this time?

A: Spine severed 17 locations.

Q: (L) Does this cause him back pain?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Any other physical symptoms or experiences?

A: Psychological.

Q: (L) In this experience, how long after the missile struck did he actually leave the body?

A: 14 seconds.

Q: (L) It was pretty much instantaneous.

A: Close.

Q: (L) Still, under those circumstances, 14 seconds can be forever. (F) No kidding. Time slows down to a standstill. (L) What were the last thoughts G__ R__ had before he left the body?

A: He thought of his family and his childhood home.

Q: (L) If I were to take J__ to the home G__ R__ grew up in, would he remember it?

A: That was only one of his homes.

Q: (L) Did he remember his earliest home?

A: Yes!

Q: (L) Was he particularly close to his sister, R__?

A: More close to brothers.

Q: (L) Is that…

A: Rivalries, other siblings were more assertive.

Q: (L) Anything else we need to know at this time?

A: Body remains were questionable.

Q: (L) They may have buried the wrong remains in G__ R__’s grave?

A: Open.

Q: (L) Well, what do you mean the “remains were questionable?”

A: All will say.

Q: (L) That is all you are going to say on that?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Well, that is real curious. Goodness gracious. Okay, I would like to know who A__ was in her last lifetime?

A: Luther Meinhardt.

Q: (L) Where did Luther Meinhardt live?

A: Deutschland.

Q: (L) And what year was Luther Meinhardt born in Deutschland?

A: 1904.

Q: (L) And when did Luther Meinhardt die?

A: 1947.

Q: (L) What did Luther Meinhardt die from?

A: Dysentery.

Q: (L) Was there some connection between Luther and me in that lifetime?

A: Was officer in Gestapo.

Q: (L) Did I know this officer in the Gestapo?

A: Not directly or by name.

Q: (L) Well, if I didn’t know this person directly or by name, did this person have some effect on my life?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) What effect did this person have on my life. What did they do?

A: Arrested husband.

Q: (L) And at the time my husband was arrested, what happened then?

A: Nothing of import.

Q: (L) What happened to the husband after he was arrested? Why was he arrested?

A: Judisch.

Q: (L) He was arrested because he was Jewish?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Was I also Jewish?

A: No.

Q: (L) And how many children did I have?

A: Four.

Q: (L) What was the result of the arrest of my husband? Was he taken to a concentration camp, killed, or what?

A: Killed.

Q: (L) How was he killed?

A: Shot.

Q: (L) Was this the point at which I committed suicide by diving from a window?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Okay, there were the four children; what then happened to the children?

A: Taken to camp “Orphanage.”

Q: (L) What happened to the four of them there?

A: Different fates.

Q: (L) What was the oldest one’s name?

A: Rita.

Q: (L) What happened to Rita?

A: Died in camp.

Q: (L) How old was Rita when she died in the camp?

A: 17.

Q: (L) What was the next oldest one’s name?

A: Gerta.

Q: (L) What happened to Gerta?

A: Died in camp.

Q: (L) How old was Gerta when she died?

A: 15.

Q: (L) What was the next one’s name?

A: Klaus.

Q: (L) What happened to Klaus?

A: Experimented upon, survived, lives in Austria or Holland.

Q: (L) Why does he live in one or the other?

A: Hard to decipher because he moves.

Q: (L) Does he move back and forth from one place to the other?

A: Has or does.

Q: (L) And Klaus is still living. When was Klaus born?

A: 1929.

Q: (L) What was the last name of the family?

A: Gerspringer.

Q: (L) What happened to the youngest child?

A: Ernst. Died 1987.

Q: (L) So, Ernst survived the camp. Are any of the children I have now reincarnations of my children then?

A: No.

Q: (L) Are there any ramifications of this situation that I need to deal with?

A: Watch karmic interaction with A__. You may have hidden anger.

Q: (L) But A__ is such a lovable baby. Why did she decide to come into my family if she was part of the Gestapo that destroyed my family?

A: Guilt.

Q: (L) She wanted to come in to assuage her guilt?

A: Was Gestapo, but intents were not evil, just “orders.”

Q: (L) And who was my husband in that lifetime?

A: Gerhard.

Q: (L) And who is he in this lifetime, has he already reincarnated?

A: No.

Q: (L) Didn’t you tell me that he had reincarnated and that he was G__ M__?

A: Yes, but has apparently passed and other entity told you, not us.

Q: (L) So, on the occasion when those questions were being asked, the entity that was telling us that was a corrupted influence?

A: Not corrupted, just other.

Q: (L) Another of the Cassiopaeans told me that?

A: Check records.

Q: (L) I don’t understand. Well, since you brought that subject up, are you intending to say that the entity in this person’s body has passed and another entity has taken its place?

A: No. G__ was husband, but other lifetime.

Q: (L) I see, I guess. Okay, well, where is the person who was my husband in that lifetime? Is he still floating around somewhere?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Okay. What lifetime was it when G__ was my husband?

A: Before the last one.

Q: (L) What year was that lifetime?

A: 1800’s..

Q: (L) In that particular lifetime, what was the karmic interaction or dynamics?

A: Husband and wife. Deutschland, Prussia.

Q: (L) What was his name?

A: Gunther Steinbrandt.

Q: (L) What was my name in that lifetime?

A: Wilhelmina.

Q: (L) Did we have any children?

A: No.

Q: (L) What was Gunther Steinbrandt’s occupation?

A: Solderer.

Q: (L) He was a worker with solder?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) I didn’t know they had solder in that time. Sounds like a totally boring life. Did anything dramatic or interesting happen in that life?

A: Subjective.

Q: (L) My current husband and I seemingly have very strong karma together. What is the source of this karma?

A: Were lovers in Persia.

Q: (L) And that was in the 1600s as we have been told before, correct?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Do I have any particular karma toward or with any of my children that is outstanding? Any one or two children with outstanding karma?

A: A__.

Q: (L) What about A__?

A: No.

Q: (L) Who was A__ in her last lifetime?

A: Brian Jones.

Q: (L) When did Brian Jones die?

A: 1889

Q: (L) When was Brian Jones born?

A: 1803.

Q: (L) And do all of my children have strong connections to me in terms of affection or karma or whatever?

A: As always.

Q: (L) When was the last lifetime Frank and I were together?

A: 1700’s.

Q: (L) Who was Frank in the 1700s?

A: Bavarian landowner’s son.

Q: (L) Who was I in this lifetime?

A: Daughter.

Q: (L) I was Frank’s daughter?

A: No, sister.

Q: (L) Was this the same lifetime when I was married to G__?

A: No. Spent 3 lifetimes in what is now Germany.

Q: (L) Was my mother with me in that lifetime?

A: No.

Q: (L) In that lifetime as Bavarian landowner’s children, what was Frank’s name?

A: Heinrig.

Q: (L) What was my name?

A: Sheila.

Q: (L) What did we do in that lifetime? Argue?

A: Were sheltered.

Q: (L) Any exceptional talents or abilities?

A: Piano and harp.

Q: (L) So, all I did was sit around and play the piano and harp all the time?

A: Close.

Q: (L) And read books? What did Frank do, smoke cigars and gaze out the window?

A: Read.

Q: (L) Must have been nice, Frank. What area of Bavaria was this?

A: Muenchen near. South of there. On Braunau.

Q: (L) Was this a very large house?

A: Castle.

Q: (L) Sounds better all the time. Is the castle still standing?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Would we know that castle by name?

A: No.

Q: (L) What was our last name, surname, family name?

A: Von Endersohn.

Q: (L) Did we live long and fullfilling and happy lives?

A: Open.

Q: (L) Did we experience tragedy?

A: Was turbulent era.

Q: (L) Well, how old was I when I died?

A: 43.

Q: (L) How old was Frank when he died?

A: 43.

Q: (L) Were we twins?

A: No.

Q: (L) Who was older, me or him?

A: Year apart.

Q: (L) What did he die from?

A: Heart attack.

Q: (L) What did I die from?

A: Pneumonia.

Q: (L) Did we die still living in our castle?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Did either of us have any children?

A: No. Were sheltered from turbulence directed at wealthy.

Q: (L) How were we sheltered from this turbulence?

A: Kept isolated. Never married.

Q: (L) Well, I guess that is one way to shelter yourself from turbulence, just never go out. We just sat around, played the piano and harp and read books. That sounds like a pretty ideal existence to me. Did we ride horses too?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) I guess we worked hard to entertain ourselves. (F) That must be why we both yearn for security, peaceful reading and so on. (L) I have always wanted to live in Europe. Would I be happy doing so?

A: Up to you.

Q: (L) (F) Well, that is probably why you yearn to live in Europe, because you spent 3 lifetimes in that area. (L) If I used hypnosis, could I improve my piano playing? Also, would I be able to automatically play the harp?

A: Open.

Q: (L) Has it ever been done before?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) The other night, on New Year’s Eve, you said there was a whole group of celestial visitors, and, among these you included my great-grandmother, Laura, is that correct?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Well, does this mean that she has not gone into the light or can people come who have done so?

A: Latter.

Q: (L) I would like to know what my grandmother thinks of being dead?

A: Relief.

Q: (L) Well, I think that one of the things that made her hang on so long was that she was worried about me. I think about her a lot. When I do, is she aware of it?

A: Maybe.

Q: (L) Now, getting back to the idea of walk-ins, this is an idea that Ruth Montgomery promulgated, does this ever happen?

A: Rarely.

Q: (L) What about the case of the individual known as Lobsang Rampa? Was Lobsang Rampa a walk-in?

A: No.

Q: (L) What was the source of the material Lobsang wrote about in his books?

A: An active imagination.

Q: (L) So, Lobsang’s books were basically his imagination and were not channeled in any way?

A: Open.

Q: (L) Is there a possibility that he channeled some of that information?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) I sent out a batch of mail today, I sent a copy to M__ F__ with a cover letter etc. I am curious as to whether this will open his eyes in any way to the fact that what is going on with us is far more interesting than what is going on with Scarlett?

A: Doubtful.

Q: (L) I also sent a copy of it to L__ S__ and a copy to this metaphysical group over here on 54 and a copy to J__ and G__ B__… How will M__ N__ react to our information?

A: Open.

Q: (L) Are you going to give me any indication about how any of these people are going to react to any of this information? Can you look into the future and give me any idea of what I can expect from the different people?

A: Wait and see.

Q: (L) As far as I can see, having found out about the network, until I can get an access line, it seems that our use of this network is going to be severely limited.

A: Look into 800 number.

Q: (L) Well, in order to get an 800 number, I would have to get the company to do it. I’ll look into it, but I don’t think so. Now, this person on the network, IrishSir, I have basically decided that I am not going to respond to him because he is very offensive in his responses. It is as though he is attempting to draw me into a situation where he can attack. Is this course of action acceptable?

A: Open.

Q: (L) Is there anything I could say to this guy that would have an impact on him?

A: Of course.

Q: (L) Give me a clue as to what approach to take?

A: Up to you to learn communication with challenging subjects.

Q: (L) The other night when we were talking about Jesus, I asked if there was any historical person we knew who resembled him and said you were scanning.

A: No.

Q: (L) What was Jesus actual name?

A: Jesinavarah.

Q: (L) What is the source of A__’s aversion to what I do and think?

A: Different orientation.

Q: (L) And what is her orientation?

A: Material.

Q: (L) Is A__ a 4th density candidate?

A: Open.

Q: (L) We have been having a lot of very unusual cloud shapes and formations. What is the source of this…

A: Upper level wind convergence.

Q: (L) When this occurs, does it represent anything from other dimensions? Or is it something to do with EM wave formations from the earth?

A: Vague.

Q: (L) In other words, can these upper level winds and strange cloud patterns be 4th, 5th or 6th density interactions?

A: Maybe.

Q: (L) Could these cloud patterns be a result of strange electromagnetic patterns on the earth such as those that presage earthquakes and volcanic eruptions?

A: Can.

Q: (L) Do we have an upcoming volcanic eruption or earthquake in the, say, next ten days?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Which?

A: Earthquake. Andes. 7.6 Peru.

Q: (L) Is there anything we need to know before we shut down for the night?

A: No.

Q: (L) What time of day was G__ R__ born?

A: a.m. 6:21.

Q: (L) I apologize for asking so many personal questions, but this thing about J__ has definitely given a lot of credibility to the source here. Goodnight.


3.4 January 7, 1995

Frank, Laura, Terry, Jan, V, D, T

Q: (L) Hello.

A: Hello. Victim V__. {Laughter}

Q: (L) Who do we have with us tonight?

A: Powder.

Q: {Powder added to board} (L) Now, I guess you’ll want aftershave too.

A: Aftershave, please.

Q: (L) Who do we have with us tonight?

A: Lomarra.

Q: (L) Are you a discarnate?

A: No.

Q: (L) What or who are you?

A: Light being.

Q: (L) And where are you communicating from?

A: Cassiopaea.

Q: (L) We have a few interesting questions tonight. I think the first thing on everybody’s mind is the strange events during the night and early morning hours, reported by Terry and Jan compared with events that happened that John said that he experienced and also, Terry’s dad, and also something woke A__ up with a start and I was awakened with a strange feeling. We are a little bit curious about this event, this occurrence, and we would like to have some information on it. What exactly was it?

A: Thunder.

Q: (L) It seemed to be an extraordinarily massive strike, and it seemed to have been heard at a great distance in several directions. Where, in fact, did this lightning bolt strike?

A: Cell was uniformly structured throughout region.

Q: (T) So we all heard that particular blast because of that?

A: No. Each zone received similar EM profile, thus one particularly heavily charged event in each zone.

Q: (L) What is an EM profile?

A: Electromagnetic.

Q: (L) Was there any particular significance to this type of blast since it is not something any of us has experienced in our immediate memory. Is there any implication to this blast in terms of 4th density activity?

A: You have, and yes, as always.

Q: (L) Since this was such a boomer, what exactly was going on on 4th density that produced a boomer like this?

A: Overlapping densities, lasting approximately 1.3 seconds, as you measure time i.e.: for 1.3 seconds, you lived completely in 4th density.

Q: (T) So this was a significant event for us to have noticed?

A: The noticing was more significant than the event.

Q: (V) Can I ask… so every time there is… am I wrong in assuming that every time there is thunder there is a mix of 4th density? (L) No, no. (V) It’s just this one time? (T) What about if you didn’t notice? I didn’t hear it. (T) What was the answer? (L) The noticing was more important than the event. (T) So it was important that we were aware that something had happened…

A: You did at another level of consciousness.

Q: (L) Did this event have anything to do with A__’s experience this morning of being awakened by a rustling in her room and thinking that she heard a squeaky voice calling her name?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Okay, what was it that she experienced?

A: 4th density “resident.”

Q: (L) And what kind of 4th density resident was this?

A: Om.

Q: (L) Who is Om. (V) Is it a name? (T) Is Om the name of the being?

A: Type.

Q: (L) What is a type Om?

A: You would rather not know!

Q: (L) No, I would rather know. If something is going to be visiting my daughter in her bedroom, I definitely want to know who or what it is.

A: Who says this will be regular event?

Q: (V) So, in other words, if it is not going to happen all the time, don’t worry about it, is that right?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) This was just a one time event?

A: Yes.

Q: (V) Was the reason A__ was so aware of this is because she is psychically open when she is asleep?

A: Yes.

Q: (V) Is there anything she needs to do to control her psychic openness in order not to be harmed?

A: Why control something beneficial?

Q: (V) Well, it’s just that Laura was concerned because you know… (T) Is this something that we all encounter every now and again?

A: Three of you have… no, make that five. Terry, Tom, Frank, D__, Laura.

Q: (D) The thumps that I hear in my house, this is not my grandmother, is this correct?

A: Yes.

Q: (D) Are these visitors?

A: Yes.

Q: (D) What can you tell me about that?

A: What do you want to know?

Q: (D) Are these Cassiopaeans?

A: We do not “Thump.” {laughter}

Q: (L) What is causing the thumping phenomenon in D__’s house.

A: 5th and 4th visitors of varying description your many activities have attracted.

Q: (T) Are they harmful? (D) My many activities like reading… psychic readings? (L) No, no, stop. Are these beings in general STS or STO oriented?


Q: (L) So, varying activities of D__’s have attracted them. What initial activities did D__ do that opened the doorway for this type of activity?

A: Networking.

Q: (L) Networking with who or what?

A: Her recent contacts.

Q: (L) With who or what?

A: People.

Q: (L) Who, specifically? (D) Are we talking about E__ Page?

A: That is one.

Q: (D) M__ T__?

A: Yes.

Q: (D) J__ H__?

A: Yes.

Q: (V) Laura and Frank?

A: No.

Q: (D) P__ K__?

A: No.

Q: (D) Anyone from the church?

A: Yes.

Q: (D) B__?

A: No.

Q: (D) D__ W__?

A: Yes.

Q: (D) Did it start with my association with D__ W__?

A: Yes.

Q: (D) Was that the first time?

A: Yes.

Q: (D) How can I stop these visits?

A: Complicated.

Q: (D) Where do I start. What is the first step? (L) Well, you have an EM opening. Closing that would be the first step.

A: You have begun already.

Q: (D) With reading. (T) By asking?

A: Yes. Yes.

Q: (D) What is the next step?

A: This is not a “step by step process.”

Q: (L) Is it that she is going to have to have knowledge and awareness?

A: The light is knowledge, which is protection.

Q: (L) I guess that means that you need to visualize light around yourself and your house. (D) I guess some sage and holy water… (L) No, no, no, no, no rituals. Knowledge. The power of the mind only. (T) If she stops associating with P__ and group will this be a good step in the right direction?

A: We do not condone recommendations for friendships and associations; that is free will.

Q: (L) So, they are not going to tell you who to associate with, it is your own choice. (J) But, now that you have the knowledge, you can make an informed choice. (D) Well, there is no choice… that is it.

A: Up to you.

Q: (L) I would like to bring up before we get sidetracked, that we have Tom with us this evening and…

A: Hi T__.

Q: (L) T__ has a couple of questions he would like to ask about moving and his direction in life, this will be brief. So, I will just let him ask his questions.

A: Now you are beginning to see what happens when you let emotions take over, T__. We warned you in a subtle way.

Q: (T) What do I need to do to get myself back on track on a spiritual path?

A: We were talking directly to you with the last 2 answers.

Q: (T) Did you get some kind of a warning?

A: Do you remember, T__.

Q: (T) No, I don’t remember the warning.

A: Okay, now think carefully, access memories of first day of “union.”

Q: (T) Are you talking about my relationship with A__?

A: We were being discreet.

Q: (L) You blabbed it out, they were being discreet. Did you get some kind of warning? (V) Did you get any “gut” feelings? (L) Have you not learned that your relationship is taking you away from your spiritual path? (D) Did she ask you to give up anything? (V) Did the relationship make you feel uncomfortable? (D) Did it give you negative thoughts about spirituality?

A: Let T__ figure it out. This is rather of a private nature.

Q: (T) Okay. Well, I’m thinking of…

A: T__ has a tendency to be rebellious and secretive.

Q: (J) Well, that’s not such a bad combination. (T) Yeah, I’m working on that… (V) We all have our crosses to bear… (L) Tom now has a plan where he is going to… his relationship has led to other situations that have caused unpleasantness in his life; he is now going to travel half-way across the country to escape this…

A: Repeating syndrome.

Q: (T) No matter where you go, there YOU are. (L) The scenery may change, but you will be the same with the same problems until you change yourself. (T) It is really because I know I can support myself better out there and I know that we can support ourselves better out there.

A: How do you know that?

Q: (T) Because I have checked with the papers, I have looked at what is out there… There’s more jobs out there, there’s more apartments, more opportunity, better chance to really get ahead…. (L) Who are you trying to convince?

A: Really???

Q: (T) I just feel like it’s time for a change.

A: You have felt that way often before.

Q: (T) Okay, let me ask this: could I have some kind of place out there, do something that needs to be done out there?

A: Many have lived under the illusion that relocation improves destiny. All have failed.

Q: (L) If you can’t succeed where you are, you probably won’t succeed anywhere else. (J) You always carry yourself with you wherever you go. If you are what’s wrong, moving doesn’t change that. (L) And, in fact, it can make things worse. (T) Yeah, you lose a lot because you lose your connections and contacts, your support system, your network, everything. (T) Well, part of it is that I just want to go. (L) Maybe wanting to go is part of your problem. (J) Are you running away? (T) No. (L) Is T__ running away?

A: {T__ gets on board.} Yes.

Q: (L) Is there anything you can tell T__….

A: The community he is considering is much more 3rd density. It is not metaphysically oriented.

Q: (L) In other words, if he moves, he will get more in the soup? {break for discussion} T__ thinks he can make it work… comments please.

A: Well, this plan is related to and contingent on shaky emotional considerations. His relationship is unstable and that is at the root of the issue.

Q: (T) What do I have to do to make the relationship stable? (V) Oh, the youngsters! “We are going to make this square peg fit into this round hole no matter what!”

A: Open.

Q: (T) Can you give me a hint as to what I need to do… (L) What they are saying is that you can’t make this relationship stable… (J) Either it is or it isn’t.

A: Let T__ decide.

Q: (T) Let me just ask this… can I make this relationship stable?

A: Discover. But moving won’t accomplish this.

Q: (T) I know I can make this work, but should I stay here?

A: Better chance of survival of the relationship if you remain and work things out.

Q: (T) But her best friend is out there…

A: Friendships are not stable with this one. (A__)

Q: (L) They are saying Andrea is not capable of a stable friendship and that may extend to relationships. (T) Can I help her attain spirituality or a level of enlightenment?

A: What we told you with the first answer applies. Does not have to be painful.

Q: (D) I have been married twice. The day before I was to marry the man who I thought was wonderful, of course, I was told that no one was going to make me marry him, and that if I wanted to I could change my mind. I had reservations but I did not feel that I could back out because the wedding was already set. And it turned out to be a very destructive marriage and divorce. So, what I am saying to you is that if everything is not perfect about your mate, in terms of your expectations and needs, if there is anything that you think you can or have to change about this person, or that involvement with you will change, you are wrong. You can’t change them, they won’t change, and the relationship will deteriorate destructively. If you are now asking what you have to do to “make” it work, it is already on the road to destruction. It is never to late to come to your senses and back out.

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Is there a past life or karmic tie between T__ and Andrea?

A: As always. It is up to him to discover. He is rebellious and is not listening. We have given much, now it is up to him.

Q: (L) Is anyone in this room not rebellious? (Chorus) I am! (L) Have we not all learned the hard way? (Chorus) I certainly have… yes… (V) We have all learned the lesson we see T__ facing. It’s easy for us to sit back and know the end result because we have all been through it before. It’s easy for us to tell him to back away and rethink because we have all been forced to do it but we need to remember how painful it was to us at the time and how we all thought it was the end of the world. (L) Yes. We all thought that ending destructive relationships was the hardest thing in the world to do… other people gave us advice when we were younger like we are advising T__ now, and we didn’t take it… (L) But how much easier on us it would have been if we had the wisdom then to do what we see now… (Chorus) Amen!

A: Real love is not strictly hormonal.

Q: (T) So, what they are saying is that I can make this work here but I can’t make it work there? (L) No, T__, the chances are not good either way, but you have something of a chance here with a good support system and your metaphysical network. There, it is certain to fail and then you will be in emotional turmoil, probably broke, and stuck far away from everybody. (V) There is not a pat answer on your relationship, they just said if you stay here, it has a better chance. They didn’t say that if you stay, you definitely will succeed… And, if you are seeking spirituality right now, it is definitely a bad move to make…

A: Yes.

Q: (J) Going back to the event of this morning, when J__ related his experience of it to me, he said that when he opened his eyes that the light looked yellow… (V) I noticed the discoloration too… (J) Was that related to the event?

A: Yes.

Q: (J) What caused the light to change color?

A: Leftover 4th density effects.

Q: (L) Is this something that is going to be happening more and more as we move to 4th density?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Is this electromagnetic charging of the atmosphere, I am assuming that is what it is, and that it is occurring as part of the shifting of densities…

A: Yes.

Q: (L) If it is an electromagnetic charging of the atmosphere, is this charging coming about because of this oncoming wave and effects that we are beginning to feel more and more of, are they part of the wave, its presence or approach?

A: It is a buildup, similar to the early effects preceding the arrival of a sea wave.

Q: (T) Are the extremely high winds they have been experiencing in North Carolina and California and the earthquakes in Japan all related to this?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) Yes. The media is playing that down… 140 mile an hour winds up in the Carolina’s and out in California they were hitting 160 miles an hour winds. (L) Well, they told us we were going to have really weird weather. (T) There was another earthquake in Japan today. This has been ongoing for the last couple of weeks. Japan is supposed to go. (V) Sylvia Brown was on a talk show. Sylvia Brown is known as a highly aware psychic. How do you feel about her psychic abilities?

A: Okay.

Q: (V) She had said that there was going to be a big earthquake in Alaska… a huge one… what can you tell us about this?

A: One of many events of the buildup lasting years, as you measure time.

Q: (V) That’s interesting because I followed Sylvia Brown for a number of years. (L) Let me ask this: I got a letter from Piers A. and he was giving me the big pooh pooh and….

A: Piers is misguided.

Q: (L) Well, my question about this is, in addition to that really revolting letter I got from that creep on the network, my feeling about this is: I really want these people to open their eyes, will they?

A: Those who will, will.

Q: (T) Look at it this way, you have an open enough mind to allow those who have their minds closed to keep them closed. You have tried, you don’t have to take it any further. (L) You guys said that we were going to have a whole big, bodacious bunch more of UFO activity this year, is that correct? 1995

A: Bingo!

Q: (L) And I guess it has already started because some guy in Michigan filmed a UFO in broad daylight and they showed it on the news three days in a row and I don’t think they were being snide in their comments… (Frank) Yes they were. I saw it on channel 13 and they were being definitely snide. (T) And those guys lost their network affiliation, too! (L) That fellow in Michigan, could you identify that craft for us and who it belonged to?

A: It was the Grays.

Q: (L) Now, are the Grays going to allow themselves to be seen more and more in 3rd density in the upcoming years.

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Is there a reason behind this exposure?

A: All of these events are related to that with which you are now familiar.

Q: (L) This is part of their movement to land on the planet, interact with human beings, say, via the media… (T) They are already landing on the planet…

A: No, for all is related to approach of oncoming wave, what the details are will remain to be seen.

Q: (L) By the way, T__, your information about the bases in Appalachia happens to have been confirmed. (T) Are there military bases in the Appalachian mountains?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Hidden ones?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) Are they for the subjugation of the U.S. when they start the implement the final stages of the New World Order in this country?

A: Remains to be seen.

Q: (L) Do they actually have buildings or places set up in this country to be crematoriums and labor camps as I have read about in several articles?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) When do they intend to initiate this plan?

A: Open.

Q: (T) Last I heard was March of 1995. (V) Goodness gracious. (L) I have been saying for years now after doing the charts that 95 is going to be one strange year. (V) A lot of other people are saying that too. (D) There is supposed to be something big, some big organization fall… (L) If we sat here and visualized a clockwise vortex of light and energy, would it greatly enhance the energy flow?

A: Not necessary any longer.

Q: (V) Last night I all of a sudden got a flash to do a Tarot reading. Now, I hadn’t done this in months because I know it is not a super clear channel, but, I had the overwhelming feeling that it was okay to do this. Was the reading I did for myself last night a valid and factual true reading?

A: If you wish it to be.

Q: (V) Well, I was hoping with the reading that I was drawing on your energy, was I?

A: You do not cards to “draw on our energy.” Your strong feeling was to meditate for information. You misinterpreted it as a need for Tarot. Cards can confuse, meditation never does.

Q: (V) Well, they were nice cards and I threw a spread this morning that was beautiful… the last card was the moon card… and in my perception of that card I haven’t been able to signify whether that meant psychic energy or deception… what was the meaning within my perception?

A: We have given enough personal data for this session.

Q: (T) What is a good way to meditate?

A: The way that feels “effortless” for you.

Q: (V) Okay, if we are getting off of personal stuff here, and moving on to more generalized… I would like to know… there is a common knowledge kind of thing among metaphysical people that when a soul is born onto the planet, that soul, that little baby, has infinite knowledge, and as we grow and learn we were conditioned to lose our knowledge, is this true?

A: No.

Q: (L) How could a baby have infinite knowledge, it only has imprint of its past life experiences. (V) You have heard that also…

A: That is nonsense.

Q: (V) That’s fine… I was just… I’m sure you’ve heard that…

A: Souls are not “born” into this planet. Souls were never born! And, will never die!

Q: (V) I understand, my question was loose; I’m sorry. (D) Are there any new souls being created?

A: Just answered if you use your head. Diana does not know the real concept of “time.”

Q: (D) Well, that is a concept that is very difficult for me. (L) Well, for everybody. We can talk about it and play with it… but there really is no time. It’s an illusion, it’s a lie… (T) It’s part of the 3rd density world we have created… (D) I’m trying real hard… (F) Okay, let me give you an example: Take yourself off the planet, take yourself farther away so you can’t see the sun anymore except as a speck. (D) Okay, I’m there… (F) Now you are floating out there in space… there is no direction, everything is just out from you… there is no up or down or sideways… nothing… You see stars every way you look, but there is no point of orientation… Now, being no longer on the planet, the sun doesn’t rise and the sun doesn’t set… you have no watch or clock… how do you know what was before and what was after… (T) Have you ever heard of people who go down into caves to do research experiments, and they come out thinking that only 45 days have passed when it has really been 65 or a hundred… because time slows down and virtually stops. Time is a human concept. (F) I read the book about the Barbara Mackle abduction. She was kidnapped by a guy who put her into an underground coffin with gadgets to help her survive, and she was buried… she thought, when she was pulled out, 83 hours later, she thought she had only been in there one night. (L) Let’s ask this question: In a state where there are no artificial considerations such as the delineation of night and day, in such a state, what would be the natural cycle of the human physical body in terms of, say, sleeping or eating, and refer this back to our concept of time. In other words, how long would we naturally stay awake, and then how long would we naturally sleep if we were not constrained by artificial time references, in a general sense?

A: Your entire existence would be radically different and would not cycle in the same ways at all.

Q: (L) Can you tell us how it would?

A: It depends on the environment.

Q: (L) So, we are so interactive with our environment that we almost can’t separate ourselves from it, is that what you are saying?

A: Close.

Q: (L) If our solar system motion was such that, according to our present time delineations, we had 48 hours of daylight and 48 hours of night, would there be a concomitant extension of lifetime in the same terms?

A: Maybe.

Q: (L) Sitchin has an interesting idea about his theorized planet Nebiru, that their solar year is 3,600 of our years, and, therefore, for every one year of their life, 3,600 years pass on earth, and therefore a being who theoretically was on such a planet, one with a 3,600 year orbit, would live many multiple thousands of years. Is this a valid concept insofar as it goes?

A: That is a confused cross conceptualization.

Q: (L) Now, is that confusion as I presented it, or confusion as Sitchin theorized it?

A: It’s the whole gang.

Q: (T) We have to remember that time is only relative to earth, and it came about the way it is now only because of mathematics based on base 10 counting system. If you go to the moon, time is not reflected in the same way, if you have to measure it, as it is here. We use earth time on the moon. If we were to go to Mars, Mars time would be different. It is all based on rotation and orbit, which is only one way of doing it. As an example, not exactly having to do with time, but the idea of pi, 3.1416. On the SETI program they send out pi on a radio program saying: “Intelligent life will understand pi because pi is a basic idea in circular mathematics.” You have to be able to figure pi in order to calculate circumference and diameter and so on in circles and arcs. So, I ask, what is the good of sending out pi in base ten when, say, the Grays only have 8 digits on their fingers? What is pi in base 8? 3.1416 means absolutely nothing to someone who is working in another system base.

A: Grays are cybergenetic beings, therefore they use mathematics they are programmed to use.

Q: (T) You all missed the point. I understand that Grays are…

A: No, we did not. Why do you look “up” when talking to us?

Q: (L) Well, where should we look?

A: Anywhere.

Q: (L) Okay now, the Grays are programmed to use mathematics. I am assuming that they are programmed to use the mathematics of the Lizard beings, their creators, is that correct?

A: Variable.

Q: (L) Well, the question I am trying to get at here is, what base do the Lizards use?

A: The Lizards have a form of mathematics you would not even begin to understand.

Q: (L) Well, I would imagine so. Now, if a line is defined as the movement of a point in a single direction, and a plane is defined as a line moving at right angles to itself, and the 3rd dimension is defined as a plane moving at righ angles to itself, and the 4th dimension is defined as a three dimensional object moving at right angles to itself, then what we are talking about in 4th density, something that we simply cannot grasp. If we look at a 3 D apple, we are only seeing a slice, so to speak, of a 4th dimensional object. If we could see the apple in its true, 4th dimensional state, we would see something, probably more like a long, red tubular type thing that goes onto infinity. Is this a correct assessment?

A: Close.

Q: (T) And then there is 5th, 6th and 7th density levels. The whole point is to demonstrate that time doesn’t exist and is irrelevant. It could be defined in any countless numbers of ways.

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Look at the Mayans… they counted in base 20. (T) Once you remove all references to time, it slows down and eventually stops. (J) Yes, look at what happens to those who are in sensory deprivation chambers. (T) Exactly. (L) An imploding infinity, so to speak.

A: If you were out in space, you might sleep for thousands of years or remain “awake” for millions of “years.”

Q: (T) This refers back to Frank’s explanation of floating in space along with how time might be perceived without reference points.

A: It really does not matter, because you would not be under the same illusion that “Time” even exists.

Q: (L) Let me ask this: I am kind of drifting into another subject, but we are talking about being in space. We talked at one point, I believe, of the matrices of the various planets and our perceptions of the planets in our solar system, and these matrices being almost like a doorway to another density, and that if we were in the proper dimensional mode that we would see the other planets of our own solar system quite differently from how we see them in our third density mode, and that we would, in fact, be able to look upon Venus, which manifests in 3rd density as a pretty hellish place, with temperatures 900 degrees or thereabouts, and we would find it to be something else altogether with beings inhabiting it, is this correct.

A: Yes. Beings live absolutely everywhere in one realm or another.

Q: (L) Are the beings who live on the planet Venus aware of us on the planet Earth?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Are there beings also living on Mars?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Are they aware of us?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Are the beings on all the other planets in our solar system aware of us here, on planet Earth?

A: Yes, because they are all of higher density.

Q: (L) Why is it that the Earth seems to be the lower density planet and we seem to be kind of left out in the cold, so to speak. They know of us, but we can’t perceive them. Why is this? Why are we singled out for this? (D) Was earth created after all the others?

A: NO, no, no.

Q: (T) Are they interacting with us?

A: Okay, stop, whoa! A review session follows: Who is 1st density?

Q: (L) Rocks and minerals, right?

A: And?

Q: (L) Plants?

A: Yes. Now, what awareness do you suppose they have of you?

Q: (L) What awareness do rocks and plants have of US?! Oh, dear God! (V) That’s an interesting way to put it. An excellent example. (T) When we ask why higher beings have awareness of us but we are not aware of them, we need to ask what awareness beings lower than us have of us. (J) Obviously no more than we have of 4th density. (T) But when you play music to a plant, it has some awareness because it makes it grow better. (L) But music is not a being. (T) It’s an energy wave. (J) Wait a minute… what they are saying is: they have no more awareness of us than we, as 3rd density beings, have of 4th density beings. (T) Does this mean that they interact with us the way we interact with plants?

A: Who is “on” 2nd level.

Q: (L) Animals. (T) Insects, lower life forms.

A: Now, think carefully, what level of awareness, and more importantly, understanding, do they have of you?

Q: (L) Well, I guess they are aware of us in some way, but they don’t understand us… (T) Some do at some point… (T) They understand us to a certain extent… (Frank) But their understanding is entirely different from our understanding of them. In other words, they see these big hulking beings, but they don’t know what’s going on. (L) Was Ouspensky’s explanation of how animals perceive humans very close to the truth?

A: Close. Now, what about 1st level understanding and perception of 2nd level?

Q: (L) Okay, 1st density, minerals and plants… now rocks and minerals combine with plants through growing actions, water dissolution, erosion, and so on, they have a real limited existence. And what happens is that mostly animals come along and eat them. (Frank) Bees pollinate flowers. (L) Different kinds of animals live in trees. (T) Some animals live in the ground and in caves. (T) So, rocks and minerals and plants have a really limited understanding of the animals above them which interact with them in various ways.

A: Yes, and you have a limited understanding of the densities above you.

Q: (L) Well, that is still begging the question, my question was… (T) As an example, today we all experienced something we call thunder, but we were all aware that it was something more. Something happened in 4th density that we experienced in a certain way, and it was a limited understanding of that level.

A: Laura, unblock, do rocks and plants “see” you?

Q: (J) Probably not. (D) We don’t really know. (T) We see the 3rd density manifestations of 1st density objects. We don’t see the 1st density perception of itself. So, how do we see the 4th density manifestations, they see us on a 4th density level… not necessarily as we perceive ourselves.

A: Tom, you are making rapid progress. Laura better watch her Butt! {laughter}

Q: (V) So, I am curious… what do rocks look like to each other? (L) Let’s ask. What do rocks see when they look at each other?

A: They sense each other.

Q: (L) What example of our sensory apparatus would be close to an example of what a rock senses when it is aware of another rock?

A: That is a cross conceptualization and will not work.

Q: (L) So there is no way we can interpret what a rock senses. Well, another 1st density example is plants. We know that plants can react positively to certain persons and negatively to others. They have experimented with hooking them up to polygraph machines and measured these responses. (J) They also react to music… (T) Third density reactions…

A: Yes.

Q: (L) If plants interact with each other, do they feel, say, fondness for one another?

A: Something akin to that.

Q: (L) Does it hurt a plant when we eat it?

A: Does it hurt you when a “Lizzie” eats you?

Q: (T) Yes, you see, on 4th density… we are on 3rd density and we eat 1st and 2nd density, the 4th density eats us. (D) If we hurt plants by eating them like the Lizzies hurt us when they eat us, how are we to survive without eating?

A: When you no longer crave physicality, you no longer need to “eat.”

Q: (L) So part of the “fall” into the physical existence and part of the Edenic story of the whole business, “you shall eat by the sweat of your brow,” has to do with being physical and needing to eat?

A: Lucifer, “The fallen Angel.” This is you.

Q: (L) So, “falling” means going into physical existence wherein you must feed on other life, other beings, is that it?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) When plants feed on 1st level beings such as rocks and water and so forth, do the 1st density beings feel pain?

A: That is redundant. We have already covered this.

Q: (T) So when a plant absorbs nutrients…. (L) Well, a plant is the same density as minerals, so it is almost like… (T) Like two separate entities becoming one? (V) Like Jeffrey Dahmer… {laughter} (L) My bologne has a first name… (LM) Minerals dissolve in water and are then absorbed by the plant, what pain could there be in this?

A: Subjective, L__.

Q: (L) Maybe the dissolution of, say, phosphate in water, is a “death” to it…

A: Close. You limit when you perceive on 3rd level only and think that your perception is all there is.

Q: (L) So, in other words, we should be able to perceive on 1st and 2nd as well as 3rd while working on 4th level understanding?

A: No. Work on 4th, 5th and 6th.

Q: (L) Is it not also beneficial to understand the 1st and 2nd density levels as well, just simply for the exercise in understanding that which is below us?

A: Strive always to rise.

Q: (V) Haven’t we already done our 1st and 2nd level work as evolving souls?

A: Yes.

Q: (V) So there is no reason to step back. (T) Who eats the Lizzies on the 4th level?

A: No one. 4th is the last density for full manifestation of STS.

Q: (T) So, beings on the 5th and 6th level exist in pure energy?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) The 4th level is the last for full STS. Does that mean that the 5th level, which you have described as the “contemmplative” level… what is the state of existence of a STS being on the 5th level?

A: Souls of 1,2,3, and 4 go to 5th.

Q: (T) So 5th level is where they go to while waiting to go back to one of the 4 for their next incarnation?

A: Exactly.

Q: (T) That is why it’s called the contemplation level. You go and think about what you have done. (T) What about souls on 6th density? (L) Are there 6th density STS beings?

A: No, when you get to 6th you no longer need to recycle.

Q: (L) But still, is there an STS experience at 6th density, like the 6th density Orions?

A: These are only reflections of individuals, not unified entities. These reflections exist for balance. They are not whole entities, just thought forms.

Q: (L) Are these 6th density beings what the Bible describes as a “gathering” of angels as in the story of Job where “Lucifer” came in before the Lord…

A: Yes.

Q: (L) So, there are STS and STO at 6th density which balance? And they are just there, they exist?

A: Reflection for balance.

Q: (L) Is there any kind of hierarchy to this thing? Do these beings come before some kind of “Grand Council” and make plans and discuss things, and make decisions and implement them?

A: No.

Q: (L) Well, how do things happen? Do things just sort of happen as a natural interaction of things and energies?

A: Yes.

Q: (V) If we are on the 3rd density and you are working with us and we are striving to make 4th density, at the same time are you, at 6th density, striving to reach 7th?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) Is helping us, helping you to reach 7th density? (V) Are there others at higher densities working with you as you are working with us?

A: No, we all reach 7th level together.

Q: (L) So, in other words, you guys are trying to bring us up and everbody else is coming up, and when all the pieces are back together, we then go to 7th, is that it?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) So that is your purpose in helping us?

A: It’s a natural process.

Q: (T) Will our function be, when we are at 6th density, to help others on 3rd, as you are doing?

A: Yes. We are you in the future.

Q: (T) When more than 50 per cent of the souls reach 6th density in preparation to go to 7th density, will all the rest of them automatically manifest into that density?

A: Not correct concept. You are using 3rd density “Brotherhood” inspired mathematical calculations and ideas.

Q: (J) So, there are no percentages involved in it. (T) So, we have to get every single soul up there. (V) I don’t think it is as much that as that you can’t apply 3rd density mathematics to that level. (T) Let’s say a majority.

A: No. Still using 3rd density mathematics.

Q: (L) Okay, what criteria constitutes the means of this ultimate translation into 7th density?

A: The lessons completed.

Q: (J) Okay. (T) When all the souls transition to 7th density, will all the souls be integrated into one soul?

A: Close.

Q: (T) So that is why we have to get everybody, because we all become one on 7th density. (D) What will we then do to change the game and make it interesting again?

A: Don’t have to “do” anything, has, will, is!!!

Q: (L) The fellow who wrote the Ultimate Frontier , was he channeling that information or did those events he described actually take place?

A: Yes and yes.

Q: (L) Was he, in fact, the reincarnation of King David as he claimed?

A: If he prefers.

Q: (L) He lost me when he went off on his thing about women and that souls reincarnated as only one sex. (J) No, that’s not so and I think switching sex has a lot to do with homosexuality. (L) Yes. (T) But I do think that a soul has a tendency to be more of one than the other.

A: No.

Q: (L) I think it ends up being balanced.

A: It is all just lessons.

Q: (J) Does the human state of sexuality, such as homosexuality, have something to do with changing sexes from one lifetime to another?

A: Sometimes.

Q: (L) Of all the modes of sexual expression, which one is more likely to advance one to 4th density more rapidly?

A: Total celibacy.

Q: (D) Well then I’m okay! {laughter} (V) Can you explain why total celibacy?

A: Because you are then “letting go” of the cravings for physicality. {That is, celibacy when one has let go of cravings is effortless. Celibacy that is an effort is probably not positive because it is done in an effort to GET something, i.e. advance to 4D.}

Q: (T) It is a 3rd density act which entices you to 3rd density. (L) Okay, now, what is the second most likely for advancement? {laughter} (D) We have me taken care of, now we’re going to get you taken care of! (J) In order of importance… {laughter}

A: Does it matter?

Q: (D) It does to Laura, would you please answer? (L) I suppose that everyone should get to the point that they would simply desire to be totally celibate and totally let go of all physical things and so forth, but, we have left to us, at this point, heterosexuality, homosexuality, bisexuality and multisexuality {laughter} (D) We also have the ability to take pleasure in our physical bodies in those forms of sexuality. We have the ability to have pleasure in the flesh and they can’t. And, what I have read, is that they envy that. (L) Is that true, that you envy our physicality?

A: No. Not in the least!

Q: (L) I have read that when you are at the higher spiritual levels that you can do a spiritual merge which is better than orgasm. Is that true?

A: Why do you need orgasm of any kind?

Q: (L) Well, it does seem to be like one of the ultimate experiences of physicality. (T) That’s exactly it… it’s physicality… (L) If that is so, isn’t everything that exists in the physical, 3rd density world, in some way a reflection of experiences or states of being on higher realms?

A: 3rd density as you experience it is an illusion you have been fed to continue your imprisonment therein.

Q: (L) So, in other words, there is no cosmic orgasm that keeps the worlds in existence as exemplified by the eternally copulating Vishnu and Shiva?

A: That is Bull! {laughter}

Q: (L) Well, they teach this stuff in the Eastern religions and they even have the idols sculpted in this posture…

A: That is a rationalization to continue the illusion.

Q: (L) So, in other words, the orgasmic experience is quite literally a lure to keep us… (D) Controlled… (T) And in the third level… (L) Is that true?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Let’s go back to a question I asked in another session on this same subject: what happens to our energy at the point of orgasm? Where does that energy go?

A: Drains to 4th level STS.

Q: (T) Is this a manifestation of the Lizards feeding off of us?

A: STSers there retrieve it.

Q: (T) So, orgasm is a 3rd density manifestation of the 4th density consumption of 3rd density energy?

A: One of their methods.

Q: (D) In “Bringers of the Dawn” it talks about sex and it says that it is an expression of love and so forth and that you should not have sex with someone who does not really love you.

A: Love is all that is needed.

Q: (L) If two individuals, as an expression of true love at higher levels, desire to express this love in a physical way, is it possible to channel the energy in a positive way without feeding the 4th level STS guys?

A: Nope.

Q: (L) In other words, no matter what you do, how you think, or whatever, that’s where it goes?

A: Sex is a physical craving.

Q: (V) So, when the big transition comes, let me assume, anybody who is having sex at the time or has any kind of sexual relationships around that time is not going to transition because of that? (L) I don’t think so… (V) Well, I just want to get this clear. Is that true?

A: No. Transition is the “Millennium.” A thousand years is the 3rd level interpretation.

Q: (L) So, for a thousand years we will be living as physical beings in 4th density… so to speak… making this transition during this period… and, by the time it is over we will have done away with our physical appetites?

A: Close. Some will be there at the beginning, others will need more “time.”

Q: (T) So, when we are on the 4th density, we are still in the physical, and we will still be consuming, will we then be consuming that energy from 3rd density, the orgasmic energy, or something like that?

A: Some.

Q: (D) Even if we are STO?

A: Not if completely STO.

Q: (D) Then how do we get energy…. we get energy from each other. Which is more powerful… the service… well we have to be service to others… (L) That is because STO multiplies and grows… STS just fragments, segregates, and gets smaller and smaller… (J) The law of diminishing returns. (D) We can access or receive other’s energies as we give our own?

A: Yes.

Q: (D) Well, then, that is where Service to Others is Service to Self. (L) Any last messages? I feel a lot of changing going on here. Is there anything for any of us in the way of guidance?

A: Only if requested specifically.

Q: (D) Am I contacting you when I channel at home?

A: Yes but be careful of corrupting influences. Soulsearch, T__.

Q: (T) I’ve been soul searching and soul surfing, too! Is Keen Industries going to do anything with me?

A: Wait and see.

Q: (T) Will I be able to contact you?

A: Here.


3.5 January 10, 1995

Frank and Laura

Q: (L) Hello. I wonder if they will show up?

A: We always show up.

Q: (L) Thank you very much. I have some pretty serious questions I want to ask tonight, so please be patient with me even if I do ask questions that are not quite in line.

A: Okay but such sessions drain you physically, thus must be kept short.

Q: (L) Okay, it will be short. I just have a few questions. The first question is: my doctor sent me to a chiropractor. This chiropractor does not adjust me like any chiropractor I have ever been to. In fact, I feel that he is making me worse.

A: Go to another.

Q: (L) Is this, in fact, some sort of a scam?

A: Money is only concern there. Not your welfare.

Q: (L) Okay, could you, at this point, access the names of chiropractors in our area and give me a recommendation… should I go to D*** H***? It’s an awful long drive to make after adjustments.

A: That must be up to you. McG***.

{Turned out to actually be a local chiropractor; I went to him and had good results.}

Q: (L) I have here a diagram of my cellar and I am going to put it on the board and I would like you to please, locate it on this diagram?

A: Okay.

Q: (L) {Places diagram on table; planchette indicates location.} Is that the spot right there? {puts finger on spot.}

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Okay, thank you very much.

A: More than one place.

Q: (L) Oh, well sorry. {places diagram back on table; planchette moves and indicates location.} Okay, this sector here? Any other places? {planchette indicates 3rd place.}

A: Across steps underneath.

Q: (L) Is that all of it, now?

A: Maybe. Eccentric former owner died before he could retrieve.

Q: (L) What year was this put there?

A: Between 1933 and 1945.

Q: (L) On this one spot where I have my finger, how deep must we dig?

A: Near surface.

Q: (L) And this spot that goes under the steps?

A: Deeper.

Q: (L) So, he dug the hole and buried stuff and then he built the cellar and built the stairs on top of it, is that it? About how deep is this going to be?

A: Discover, but be careful of shifting sands.

Q: (L) I bet he dug the cellar and put it in to cover up his activities. What was this guy up to other than digging this cellar?

A: Seek records at city hall.

Q: (L) Do we have a well, a usable well, on our property?

A: Useable for what?

Q: (L) For drinking water.

A: It is 260 feet to good drinking water. To get crystalline water.

Q: (L) Is there a well here that would still pump water even if not for drinking?

A: Iron high.

Q: (L) Is there a pipe in the ground on this property that was formerly used as a well that could still be used?

A: Yes. Iron is too high for drinking.

Q: (L) Now, I am sure you are aware of how V__ is feeling. I think she took offense at the fact that you used the word “Bullshit” the other night…

A: V__ should talk!! Mirth! Word is used commonly by your people.

Q: (L) Well, I know that and I wasn’t offended. I didn’t say anything. Some words are offensive to me and I don’t use them. She was also upset because you guys would not tell me about the Om 4th density resident that was in my daughter’s room. Is Om an abbreviation for a type of being?

A: No, it is full word.

Q: (L) What is an Om being for the benefit of the whole world which waits breathlessly to discover the nature of this type of being?

A: Poltergeist-type being.

Q: (L) Was that Om being brought in because of the dimensional overlap or is it strictly related to my daughter?

A: Former mostly.

Q: (L) So poltergeist type beings can enter our density through these dimensional overlaps?

A: Sure.

Q: (L) V__ is talking about dropping out of the group because she says it is “no longer personal.” I would like to know what she really means by this?

A: The answers conflict with her personal desires and expectations.

Q: (L) Well, I had the feeling from the beginning that V__ was not capable of the type of objectivity needed to deal with absolutes. And then, every once in a while I would think that her dedication and determination would carry her far. But, apparently she is only dedicated and determined when it satisfies her own point of view. At times I was very sympathetic toward her struggle and then at other times I would get very agitated toward her because I don’t suffer fools gladly. I expect that you guys are a lot more patient than I am. As things are at this moment, what are the chances she will come back to the group?

A: Open.

Q: (L) I didn’t think you would tell me that one. Now, I have some articles in this magazine here: This is Lyssa Royal and she has “channeled for thousands around the globe since 1985. Her books and magazine articles are published in six languages worldwide. Etc., etc.,” She writes here: “The human consciousness is roughly divided into three different areas for the sake of this illustration: the conscious mind, the subconscious mind and the unconscious mind.” Now, are these labels generally correct?

A: Roughly.

Q: (L) She says: “The unconscious mind is a link to your greater self, it is also used as a wasteland where scary, dark things are stored that you really don’t want to bring up.” Is this a fairly accurate statement?

A: Semi-accurate.

Q: (L) Is there anything you can say to make the statement more accurate?

A: The unconscious mind is also a conduit for connecting with the higher self, other selves, and the universal mind.

Q: (L) Lyssa also says: “When you are a child and have a traumatic event, the subconscious not only finds a way to immediately process the information and store it, but also to protect you from further fragmentation. It must seek to create a balance.” So, she says, the “very intense raw energy that is generated from trauma gets stuffed into the unconscious mind.” Is this true?

A: Close enough.

Q: (L) She then goes on to say: “When an extraterrestrial looks at us, we seem like multiple personality cases to them because of our mind divisions.” Is this true?

A: Irrelevant.

Q: (L) Why is that irrelevant? Is it because when a higher density being looks at us they know what they are looking at?

A: Yes. They know and understand the separations of your minds quite precisely. That would be like saying “when a human looks at a rodent, they notice that they are excessively furry.”

Q: (L) She goes on to say: “The ET often does not know how to communicate with a fragmented human. Sometimes they fly their ships by and few people may see them, but the greater percentage do not see them as that data gets sucked into the subconscious and the triage occurs.” She means triage in the sense of the mind being so flabbergasted that it immediately shunts information into the unconscious. Is this true, that ET’s are having problems communicating with us because we are the one’s blocking contact?

A: No.

Q: (L) Is it true that some people may not see ET’s or UFO’s because they block it from their own minds?

A: This can happen or the blockage may be inspired by the alien.

Q: (L) Now, she says: “For the most part, the average person in society does not know how to interpret telepathic contact… (Lyssa’s alien talking) in the moment you start perceiving us reality starts shifting because, remember, you are one frequency and we are another.” Is this true?

A: It is irrelevant.

Q: (L) Why is that irrelevant?

A: This is not an obstacle, as suggested by this statement.

Q: (L) Anyway, the article goes on: “So an ET walks up to you in your backyard and for a fragment of a moment you may perceive us. But what commonly happens is that the human will suddenly shut down usually by becoming very sleepy and falling into a sleep or type of trance state such as one that is produced by alpha or theta brain waves.” Is this true? When a person sees an ET do they just turn off from the shock? Is this why most ET contact is not remembered?

A: It can happen but does not usually.

Q: (L) It says that when you start clearing out the stuff in your subconscious mind that the first layer that comes out of the subconscious is simply the top layer of priorities that were given to your subconscious mind to store and process. For the most part the first layer is not scary. It represents procrastinated perceptions that are waiting for processing by the conscious mind… then you start peeling off more layers through hypnosis or meditation and then…

A: We do not wish to further critique this as we can give all relevant and related information when needed. You are “comparing notes” which is fine if in moderation, but remember, separated sources are subject to variable corruption.

Q: (L) What is a separated source?

A: That which is separated from yours.

Q: (L) Somebody different from us? Okay, let me work on this. Our source is you, correct?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) So, the source this person is getting her information from is separated from you?

A: From you, thus unverifiable.

Q: (L) Well, I don’t exactly get what you mean. The whole point of this article is to say that ET’s who abduct people are here to help us evolve and that it is only us, if we have dark and dirty unconscious minds, who perceive them as negative.

A: Wrong, you do not need “help” evolving, nor does anything else.

Q: (L) Well, the thing that concerns me about this particular point of view is that a lot of people are using this to rationalize seeing the ET’s and the abductions… can I read you just a little more?

A: Overall gist is enough for us.

Q: (L) This woman here, Dorothy Ann claims she channels dolphins and whales. Dolphins and whales are telling her that they are here to keep frequencies and to awaken energy centers on the earth, and that they are very high level beings, for eons they have kept the electromagnetic grids in the oceans, they follow the old paths etc. The grids are now in the process of being reset and the whales will be instrumental in this change of the vibrational patterns on the planet.

A: No.

Q: (L) The dolphin kingdom has been empowered to communicate more easily with humans; the whales are awakening to their mission of greater contact and communication with other beings…

A: Nonsense.

Q: (L) So, I don’t really need to go on because all of this is nonsense. Now, this guy here who channels this being called Kryon writes an article about the metaphysical Christ. I read this article and really liked it. It made me feel nice and good and pleasant. Well, I’m not even going to ask you because I like him. It says here on another page that the Milky Way galaxy is part of a system of loosely 20 other galaxies. Is this true?

A: Too vague, all systems can be measured thusly if desired.

Q: (L) So that is too arbitrary.

A: Also a system of every conceivable combination.

Q: (L) In any event, it says that all of these universes expand at the rate of 90% of the speed of light. The ultimate central sun of it all is what we vaguely call God.

A: We have already covered these areas and “God” is “Everything,” not a central sun.

Q: (L) Well, he is talking about this 25 thousand year cycle where the earth passes into a photon belt that circles the Pleiadean system, and, when this photon belt hits us it is going to make all kinds of changes and it one of the small cycles, and the harmonic convergence is…

A: Fragmented channel.

Q: (L) This guy is a fragmented channel? Is there such a thing as the harmonic convergence?

A: If you wish to converge harmonically, you may.

Q: (L) So there is no photon belt circling around the Pleiades that hits us every 25,000 years?

A: If this was true, don’t you think we would have informed you by now?

Q: (L) Well, sometimes you don’t inform us of things because we don’t ask the specific questions. I just wanted to check this out. Okay, he is fragmented and I can forget that! Now, next question: As you know, there is some major flooding going on in California right now.

A: Yes.

Q: (L) You didn’t tell us about this, did you?

A: Yes we did. We specifically mentioned weird weather all over.

Q: (L) Okay, I have communicated with this woman, this Marilynne, from the computer net, and she says she wants to move down here. She seems to be a very nice person. Anybody who does Reiki and cans applesauce is okay in my book. Is there anything you could say to her about her desire to move to this area?

A: Good idea!

Q: (L) Is one of the things I am supposed to be doing responding to IrishSir from the network even though he is so negative?

A: Of course, if you only network with those of like mind, what have you accomplished???

Q: (L) Now, our other little friend, SFPro, who says his mother is experiencing a ghost, who she thinks is her deceased husband, is this the case?

A: Maybe. Not crucial information.

Q: (L) Was the advice and information I gave him adequate?

A: Okay.

Q: (L) Should I see a lawyer about my accident?

A: Up to you. We are not here to lead you by the hand, because then you do not learn.

Q: (L) I would say you are right about that. L__ came over and told me that he thought that the information we were getting was quite accurate, based upon independent verification. Was he being sincere in this?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) H__ D__ told me that I was going to meet an older, retired person around the end of the year who was going to be very instrumental in my work. Is this going to happen


A: Wait and see.

Q: (L) Are S__ and N__ going to be helpful?

A: Open.

Q: (L) Any information for either of us here?

A: No.

Q: (L) Well, thank you. (F) They give you information about yourself when it is necessary to prevent you from falling into a black hole.

Q: (L) Good Night.


3.6 January 11, 1995

Frank and Laura Barry and Susy Konicov, publishers of a popular New Age magazine, via telephone

Q: Is anyone with us?

A: Yes.

Q: Frank is talking with Susy Konicov. We’ll put her on speakerphone.

A: Channel disrupted.

Q: (Susy) Are you from the same group as the Pleiadians?

A: Same. When at Pleiades, Pleiadians, when at Cassiopaea, Cassiopaeans. Light beings.

Q: (Susy) What kind of source are you?

A: 6th density.

Q: (Susy) Why are you choosing Laura and Frank to transmit this information?

A: Because balancing fields are correct.

Q: (Barry) Maitreya… What is the destiny of this person in this lifetime?

A: Plays prominent role in disinformation process.

Q: (Barry) Is Benjamin Creme aware of that?

A: No.

Q: (Barry) Are the E.T.s putting thoughts in Benjamin Creme’s head?

A: Yes.

Q: (Barry) What is their purpose in this?

A: To cause confusion, diversion, and deception so that reality channels may be cloaked. Self explanatory.

Q: (Barry) Does this mean so that what we think is real really isn’t?

A: Close.

Q: (Barry) This must mean that the Aliens want to give us one person to focus on which is so spectacular, so that we cannot see the truth.

A: Remember warnings about false prophets in the “desert.”

Q: (Barry) Does this mean that Benjamin Creme is an STS person?

A: Yes, indirectly.

Q: (Barry) Is he the antichrist?

A: No. The “antichrist” is not an individual, but consortium.

Q: (Barry) Who is the Consortium?

A: Term refers to idea of large body of individuals.

Q: (L) Who specifically? (Frank) Human beings?

A: Yes and others.

Q: (Barry) Are these beings who have lived longer than most people live in one lifetime?

A: Confused thought patterns.

Q: (Barry) Are these people who have reincarnated for lifetime after lifetime and have kept the same memory to continue the same plan?

A: Only a select few.

Q: (Barry) Is this channeling going to go beyond the primitive method of one letter at a time, or is it going to go into the method of writing or typing or direct channeling consciously or unconsciously?

A: Can now, less danger of corruption through this method.

Q: (Barry) What is the purpose of this contact?

A: To help you to learn, thus gain knowledge, thus gain protection, thus progress.

Q: (Barry) What do the Cassiopaeans gain from this contact?

A: By helping you, we are moving toward fulfilling of our destiny of union with you and all else, thus completing the Grand cycle.

Q: (Barry) Is this the only probability open to you or is this the best probability open to you?

A: Both.

Q: (Barry) Are you a great distance from us in light years?

A: Distance is a 3rd density idea.

Q: (Barry) Light years is 3rd density?

A: Yes.

Q: (Barry) What do you mean by traveling on the wave?

A: Traveling on thoughts.

Q: (Frank) Our thoughts or your thoughts?

A: Not correct concept.

Q: (L) What is the correct concept?

A: All is just lessons.

Q: (L) Whose thoughts are they?

A: Thoughts unify all reality in existence and are all shared.

Q: (Susy) You travel on a wave of energy created by all thought forms?

A: Thought forms are all that exists!

Q: (Barry) Have those that are STS acknowledged that those that are STO are going to win in this race or conflict?

A: No, absolutely not! In fact, the STS cannot conceive of “losing” but instinctively feel pressure building upon them, that is the reason for the impending turmoil.

Q: (Barry) What happens to them when they lose, does this mean that they are degaussed, or does that mean that they have to go back and do the whole evolutionary process all over again on the other polarity?

A: Latter.

Q: (Barry) So, there is a nexus point coming up?

A: Close. When we said “close” we meant concept was “close” to reality. Not close in terms of time or distance.

Q: (Barry) At that point do they experience the pain that they have caused? (L) Good question!

A: No, that is what happens on 5th level only.

Q: (Barry) What is the proper protocol when meeting a Lizard?

A: Up to you!

Q: (Frank) I don’t think I’ll repeat that Barry. (L) Did he use the “F” word? (Frank) No, he referred to a part of the anatomy. (Barry) Are Lizards shape shifters?

A: All on 4th level of density have that ability.

Q: (Barry) Do they have the ability to block their true appearance?

A: Yes.

Q: (Barry) Are they walking around amongst us now?

A: Infrequently, they use “agents” to do most of their tasks on 3rd level.

Q: (Barry) Are these agents the “Men in Black” or are they the “Grays?”

A: Both and many others. Men in Black are often Lizards cloaked as human types, and can remain on 3rd density level for limited periods called short wave cycle. Men in Black claim to be government in order to have excuse to have direct contact with selected humans.

Q: (Barry) Have these Men in Black killed humans?

A: No.

Q: (Frank) They just threaten?

A: Yes.

Q: (Barry) Have the Lizards killed humans?

A: Oh yes!!!

Q: (Barry) There is a book out that says that if you meet the Buddha on the road you should kill him, should we do the same with a Lizard?

A: Strange.

Q: (Barry) Is there a physical confrontation going on in other than 3rd density that is resulting in bodies being blown apart and death and destruction and so on?

A: Not exactly, remember, you are applying 3rd level ideas to 4th level reality, which does not fit.

Q: (Barry) Does that mean that blowing bodies apart does not fit?

A: Yes.

Q: (Barry) But they do have physical bodies on the 4th level, don’t they?

A: Transitory.

Q: (Barry) So are ours.

A: No, yours aren’t.

Q: (Barry) Because they can shape-shift does that mean that if they were to be shattered they could bring their bodies back together again into the shape they just were?

A: Close.

Q: (Barry) Are the Lizards behind any of the apparitions of the Virgin Mary around the world?

A: Yes. All of them.

Q: (Barry) What is the purpose behind this?

A: Diversions and disinformation so that knowledge will be dispersed, therefore more will be open to attack.

Q: (L) If you think about it, propagating belief in the “old time religions” which include belief in hell or purgatory tend to put a person in a very vulnerable position because then they are open to thoughts of guilt, sin, and are therefore susceptible to thought control and terror.

A: Yes.

Q: (Susy) Theo, through the “Ashtar Command” Channeled through Yvonne Cole, predicted a landing of aliens in December 1994, was this a fabrication or was this a miscalculation?

A: Fabrication.

Q: (Susy) She is such a nice person…

A: Channel is deceived.

Q: (Susy) Who is really channeling through Yvonne Cole?

A: Agents of the Lizards, more disinformation. Who is not receiving disinformation, then, you ask? Well, you will know when you have opened your mind and have received much information; now message to you: Konicovs, we are aware of your work, and you are close to a major “breakthrough,” however, beware that STS forces are trying to defeat you, and we would suggest you slow down your battles against STS forces a little, so as to prevent too much heat from them coming down upon you!!

Q: (Susy) Are you talking about the de-taxing work Barry is doing?

A: Precisely.

Q: (L) Are they marking them?

A: Have already been watched closely.

Q: (L) Barry is not one to step back, so what can they do to protect themselves?

A: Knowledge is protection. Two calls recently.

Q: (L) Did you have two calls? About what or from who?

A: Had to do with “business” but was ruse.

Q: (L) Okay, I think that is all their questions. We thank you. {Phone conversation is terminated}

Q: Are you still with us?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Tell us what Barry and Susy think of the reading you just gave them?

A: Enthralled.

Q: (L) Well, they may call it a primitive method, but all the people who are doing straight channeling are producing straight crap.

Q: (L) As you know we have a very large hole in our cellar and we haven’t reached anything yet. Are you sure there is something under there?

A: Search carefully.

Q: (L) Could it be in the dirt that has already been taken out?

A: No.

Q: (L) Which way to go from where the hole is. How much deeper? I mean, I know you told us to keep on, but if we don’t find something pretty soon… I mean, how much can you dig? The whole cellar will disappear into this hole.

A: Patience pays.

Q: (L) Well can you just tell me how much deeper…

A: Sift carefully.

Q: (L) Sift the sand that’s already taken out or the sand that’s coming out?

A: All.

Q: (L) Do we need to go deeper?

A: Maybe.

Q: (L) Do we need to go wider?

A: Patience!!!

Q: (L) Frank, do you know how big a hole there is in that cellar? (F) No, but I’d love to see it. (laughter) (L) You and I could take this table and sit in that hole comfortably. (F) How long did it take you to dig that? (L) They’ve just been working on it today. (F) There could be tons of stuff inside the dirt. (L) Now, I’m in a real tough spot, guys. I’ve either got to go with P__, and his deal is pretty poor or do something else and I don’t know what that would be. At least that is the only option I see. {Referring to real estate transaction.}

A: Sorry, but you must decide what to do it’s part of learning process.

Q: (L) Are Barry and Susy going to play an important part in the work we are doing in the future?

A: Probably, but wait and see.

Q: (L) What is P__ thinking about the deal just now?

A: Money.

Q: (L) He wants the mortgage?

A: Why not negotiate and explain your position honestly?

Q: (L) That is what I am going to do.

A: He will understand delays better, no one can blame you for wanting best “deal.”

Q: (L) I want to ask one other thing, recently the personal effects of J__ O__ were found, can you tell us what kind of vehicle was driven out to that area in which those items were… {An unsolved local murder.}

A: Time for you to move on past this issue.

Q: (L) Jeannie {psychic of my acquaintance who was generally very accurate!} was talking to me and she said that she really thought JO was trying to get people to solve this mystery…

A: Aunt Clara strikes again.

Q: (L) Should I send Frank to Sharky? {My dentist.}

A: Up to you. Time to go.

Q: (L) Thank you and good night.


3.7 January 14, 1995

Frank, Laura, Terry and Jan, Tom M and Andrea

Q: (L) Is anyone with us?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Who do we have with us tonight?

A: Hnorra.

Q: (L) Where are you from?

A: Cassiopaea.

Q: (L) Why is the movement so slow this evening?

A: It will speed up dramatically, so be patient. Send the little one away, please.

Q: (L) Why do the children have to be kept at a distance?

A: As protection against possible psychic damage as soul is not yet fully blossomed!

Q: (L) Does this mean that when a person’s soul comes into their body at birth that it is kind of like reduced to a seed form or like the bud of a flower, and that the growing up years are either the rooting or…

A: It is a reawakening period.

Q: (L) Does that mean that when the soul comes into the body that it cannot, at that point, remember any of it’s past experiences…

A: Cycle.

Q: (L) So it cycles like ebbing and flowing and that is the ebb point where there is very little awareness?

A: Something like that.

Q: (L) We have some questions and the first one is: You have told us in the past that you are us in the future and that you are moving this way to merge with us.

A: Yes.

Q: (L) As we measure time, how far in the future are you us?

A: Indeterminate as you measure time.

Q: (L) Does this mean that at the point in time when the wave arrives on the earth in this upcoming event that you have given us the information to plot the ETA, is that the time at which you will merge with us and become us in the future?

A: No, that is not the correct concept.

Q: (L) You have said that when the wave arrives that you will merge with us. Is this the same thing that you are talking about when you say that you are us in the future?

A: No.

Q: (L) So, we are talking about two separate events or subjects, or two separate points in space/time, is that correct?

A: No. You are again slipping into trying to apply 3rd density logic to higher levels of density reality.

Q: (L) So, this is pick on Laura night!

A: No. We are trying to help everyone to advance.

Q: (L) So, we are not talking about the same event…

A: What is “future,” anyway?

Q: (L) The future is simultaneous events, just different locales in space/time, just a different focus of consciousness, is that correct?

A: Yea, so if that is true, why try to apply linear thinking here, you see, we are merging with you right now!

Q: (L) I see. (T) So, what you are trying to say is that when the wave comes it is going to take us to 4th density, if we are ready, but we are not actually going to merge with you in 6th density at that point, but we may experience a “merge” at that point because all points of focus merge during transition from one density to another?

A: Partly correct, partly way off.

Q: (J) What part is right and what part is wrong? (T) The wave is going to take those of us who are, at that point ready, to move us into 4th density, is this part correct?

A: Open.

Q: (T) Which part of it is open?

A: You are a 4th density candidate.

Q: (T) So, we are 4th density candidates but that doesn’t necessarily mean that we will make it into 4th density, true?

A: Partly.

Q: (T) As 4th density candidates, anyone that is, when the wave comes, if they have reached the correct frequency vibration, and have raised themselves up to the point that the wave will take them, they will, at that point, move into 4th density, true?

A: Close enough.

Q: (T) Now, when those who move into 4th density make the move, will they experience a completeness or merge with all other densities of their being, at that point, even if it is for a short time?

A: For one immeasurably small instant, this is what is meant by “illumination”!

Q: (T) But, for that small instant, because there really is no time, maybe an instant or an aeon, depending on how any individual might measure it, we might experience oneness with ourselves?

A: It may seem to last “forever.”

Q: (L) Is this what is known as the “rapture?”

A: Some have attempted to explain instinctive thought patterns this way.

Q: (L) Is the moving into 4th density, and the understanding we have of it, which is the possible transcending or leaving a 3rd density earth, which is under great assault in terms of cataclysmic activity and so forth, and moving to a place where none of that is apparent, is this what is known as the “rapture?”

A: Laura, you are reaching.

Q: (L) Well, Jan and I were talking about it this week, it’s her fault. Don’t blame it on me. (J) It’s my fault. (L) Jan made me do it. {laughter}

A: Jan is the “boogie” man!

Q: (L) That’s right, Jan is the boogie man, she did it. (J) Wait a minute! (T) You took responsibility. (J) No, I kinda like that! Thank you. (L) We have a couple of questions that can be answered, I think, fairly quickly, so let’s get them out of the way. Jan, as you know, her mother passed away yesterday morning, and she is very interested in knowing where her mother is at this point, and what condition she finds herself in. Can you give her this information?

A: She is at 5th level density now.

Q: (L) Is she finding her introduction to this level to be pleasant?

A: That is subjective.

Q: (L) I knew that was coming. Any more questions on that, Jan, I don’t want to get fussed at. (J) No, that’s alright. Has my mother been having OBE’s in the last month?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Now, Terry had a very interesting experience when he was standing outside his house.

A: Terry has many of those.

Q: (T) Yes, thank you, I do. It’s amazing how they come to me. I was standing outside. There’s a lot of cats in the neighborhood and we, ourselves, have six cats. They look at one a lot and I recognize cats for cats and don’t think it is possible that I made a mistake in this. A cat came around one of the trees across the street from me, and it wasn’t a regular cat. It was much larger. It looked at me and hunched down into it’s cat-like stance and locked on me. Was this a real cat, or a bob cat?

A: Yes, it was a bobcat from Northeastern Pinellas Piney woods preserve.

Q: (L) Is there a preserve in that direction from you? (T) Yes, it is up on the Pasco/Pinellas border, down from us here as a matter of fact.

A: Up from you, Terry. Learn direction better, please. Compass awareness is to be vital in the future.

Q: (T) I know it is up from me, but I am north of the place now and I’m talking as if I am in St. Petersburg, saying up from me, but it is south of me at the moment.

A: Incorrect, you were speaking from home in your mind.

Q: (T) True. (L) Busted! (T) You guys are cool! (L) What was it you said, “Love a 6th density dude with a sense of humor!”

A: Yes.

Q: (T) Are there dudes and dudesses up there?

A: Yes, cool dudes and dudesses! (laughter)

Q: (L) Now, come on, stop it, I am trying to get a question in here!

A: Stop what?

Q: (L) Stop fooling around, I want to get these questions done.

A: But we are having fun, is there anything wrong with that?

Q: (L) No, but I want to get through my questions. (T) Lighten up, a fun session is something we need.

A: Uptight. {laughter}

Q: (T) We got a live one tonight.

A: Yes.

Q: (L) It’s because of you, Terry. (T) Thank you. (L) You got all this practical joke business going…

A: No, Andrea.

Q: (T) Andrea! My goodness. {laughter} Why Andrea?

A: She is fun loving.

Q: (T) Okay, we’re having fun tonight. Go on, ask the next question. (L) Can I ask my question now?

A: Oh, what the hell, go for it!

Q: (T) I didn’t know W.C. Fields had made it to 6th level. {laughter} (L) Seriously now…

A: Seriously now, folks!

Q: (L) The other night as I was reading by the window, I saw something white pass by the window. In order for anything to pass that window, it would have to be very tall or floating. Also, my dogs would not have allowed anything to be passing by my window unless they were dead, drugged or paralyzed in some way. After a few minutes I explained it to myself as having just seen my cigarette smoke float by in my peripheral vision, but, after thinking a while, I realized that after all these years of smoking, I have an acute sense of what smoke is and where it is around me. Therefore, I think that some sort of awareness cued me that I was seeing something besides a waft of smoke. Can you tell me what it was, outside my window, or was it just my cigarette smoke?

A: You are gradually experiencing more and more “bleed-throughs” of 4th density.

Q: (L) What did I see go by my window?

A: Fourth density energy source.

Q: (L) Is an energy source like an entity or being?

A: Tell us what you imagine 4th density to be like, Laura?

Q: (L) Well, I have no idea. (T) Good answer.

A: Okay, then please try harder to discover.

Q: (L) Do you mean right now?

A: Yes.

Q: (J) Can we help?

A: Yes. You see without further progress in this area, we cannot adequately explain details of 4th density life.

Q: (L) Alright guys, how do we imagine 4th density life to be. (T) Let me ask a question first.

A: Free association.

Q: (T) Is this energy source that she saw not necessarily a being or an entity, but loose energy being transmitted from 4th density?

A: Answer to that depends upon greater understanding of 4th level reality.

Q: (L) Why do I have this gripping and pinching sensation on the back of my neck right at this moment?

A: We are blasting open your learning chakra.

Q: (T) Did it just start? (L) Oh, yes. It feels like I am being gripped by a pair of pincers right at the base of my neck. Okay, 4th density is like, am I correct, that it is similar to the dream state. The instant you think something or focus on it, it happens or becomes real?

A: Continue.

Q: (L) And that, for example, if you wished to be on a boat on the water, that you would find yourself on a boat on what is actually a more real ocean that the ocean we experience here, because, in every way it matches your expectations, down to the glints of sunlight on the water…

A: Slip 4th.

Q: (J) Like slipping gears? (L) Am I slipping?

A: Yes. Why do you need a boat?

Q: (L) Well, just because in that particular fantasy the idea is to be on a boat. (T) But it is not a fantasy. (L) It is reality. Okay. So, in other words, 4th density is a realm where your thoughts instantly manifest as reality. If, for example, you think of yourself being a princess in a tower, a castle would manifest and you would be in a tower, and if you wanted your hair to hang down to the ground, it would hang down too.

A: That is 5th level stuff.

Q: (L) Okay, so, we have something in between that and 3rd level.

A: Continue.

Q: (T) Does it closely resemble 3rd density, but different in some manner?

A: No.

Q: (T) You were saying that when the transition comes about that there would be a 3rd and 4th level earth, and some people would be 3rd density on the 3rd density earth, and some would be 4th density on the 4th level earth.

A: One possibility for you to ponder.

Q: (L) Okay, let’s take a short break… [break] Now, guys, I guess you have been listening to our discussion and you listened to Jan read the paragraph from the article about 4th density experience being the highest level of wishful thinking, that wishful thinking becomes reality… (J) Or did I take it out of context?

A: Close. STS.

Q: (L) So, STO wishful thinking…

A: STO does not wishfully think.

Q: (L) Well, how does STO think? (T) Responsibly… (L)[experiencing acute pinching feeling at nape of neck] God! You guys are doing strange things to my body…

A: Helpful and balanced. Wishes are strictly STS.

Q: (L) So, acceptance of experience in the sense of just allowing things to happen and responding in a balanced and helpful way is an STO response or experience in 4th density, is that correct?

A: Close.

Q: (L) And therefore, seeing things moving past such as what I saw by my window, and responding to them basically in an open, curious, and allowing way would have been an STO response, is that correct?

A: Maybe.

Q: (T) It depends on how you respond curiously. (T) The Lizzies are hanging out in 4th density too, and they are not STO, are they?

A: Correct.

Q: (T) So, they are not having STO helpful, responsible..

A: True.

Q: (T) So, in 4th density, both types can still happen?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) The desired type is the STO type thinking…?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) But STS thinking is also available if that is the way you decide to go when you get there?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) This of course limits you in your ability to move up to 6th density?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) Once you are in 4th density, if you choose STS, can you change it to STO?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) So you can move back and forth as you so desire and it is all still free will?

A: If you move from STS to STO in 4th level, you don’t move back.

Q: (T) Once you are STS in 4th density you have to stay there? (L) No. (J) If you move from STS to STO in 4th density you don’t go back to STS, you stay at STO, is that correct? (T) That’s what I mean, once you have decided to do STO, that’s where you stay because you don’t have any desire to go back to STS?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) So, it is not so much that you don’t have a choice, it is just that you don’t want to go back to STS?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) So if you move up and do what the Lizards are doing, then you continue to do that until you get tired of it or see different, or become enlightened and then move to STO and then that’s where you will want to stay?

A: Open.

Q: (T) Can you move from STO back to STS? I know you said you can’t, but that’s because you choose not to?

A: Natural factors prohibit this.

Q: (L) So, I guess that once you get to STO natural factors, the nature of that position is that you just simply don’t… it just doesn’t happen.

A: Now, blockbuster for you: 3rd level beings who reach total STO profile automatically and instantaneously go to 4th level at moment achieved!

Q: (T) They just vanish? Have people done that before here?

A: Yes.

Q: (F) Yeah, I’ve heard of that. (T) Sure, people disappear that all the time. (L) Well, I don’t think it happens that often, but I think it happens… (F) It has happened. (J) People disappear and you never hear what happened to them. (F) There have been cases where people have suddenly vanished, where a flash of light has just hit them and Poof! (T) Like spontaneous combustion… (F) No… (J) Not spontaneous combustion because the body is left behind. (F) There have been cases where people were actually sitting with other people and suddenly everybody present suddenly sees a blinding flash of light and that person is Spffft! Gonzerooni! (L) Gonzerooni? (F) Once and for all! (T) I want to ask this question, if it has already been asked, somebody stop me, what is the total STO profile? (L) Total lack of concern for self.

A: Yes.

Q: (L) So, in other words, you don’t do anything or think anything in terms of fulfilling or doing for self. You always think in terms of doing or fulfilling for others. (T) Damn, I’ve got a long way to go then… (Chorus) Don’t we all! (J) Was Gandhi?

A: No.

Q: (T) Mother Theresa?

A: No. Political deceptions.

Q: (J) Mother Theresa is a political deception? (laughter) (L) Let me ask this question… it is on a little bit different subject right now, but I am kind of stretching my brain right now and I need a little bit of a relief there and then we will come back…

A: You are off balance this session due to a “bug” in your body. You have a bacterial overgrowth in your intestines.

Q: (L) Okay, I was talking to Jan earlier about real estate in Pasco and Pinellas counties and the differences and so forth, and I made the suggestion or statement that they might want to sell their house in St. Pete and move to Pasco County. What do you think of that?

A: Okay.

Q: (L) Is that all you think of it?

A: What else?

Q: (L) I just wanted to know if you thought it would be advisable?

A: Open.

Q: (L) Now, I want to ask about these KRLL documents that Sally has told me about and is sending. Tell us what is the background and validity of the KRLL papers. Terry knows more about them than I do. Supposedly it is some kind of exposition written by an alien being revealing the government conspiracy. Were the KRLL papers valid? (T) KRLL was supposedly a prisoner of the United States. (L) Was there really such a being as KRLL?

A: Semi.

Q: (T) Is there any validity to the KRLL papers?

A: Semi.

Q: (T) Was it dictated by this alien being?

A: Maybe.

Q: (T) Was it put together by a human?

A: Semi.

Q: (T) Is this in the same area of UFO lore as the Cooper and Lear and Lazar and Bennewitz stuff?

A: We have told you many times… Laura, pay attention… Listen!

Q: (L) Well, you say semi. Semi means half-way. Is it half true or half-way true?

A: Whoa! Calm down! Patience, my love!

Q: (T) Should we put about the same amount of validity we have in the other UFO documents?

A: Stop now!!!!

Q: (L) Is this an area we can’t talk about now because it is too delicate?

A: No!!!!!

Q: (F) What the H is going on?

A: We are trying to tell you something important, and you keep asking questions. Now, please, silence for a moment!!!! We have told you many times to communicate with each other and network and share ideas, because that is how you LEARN and PROGRESS! But, you are beginning to rely on us for all your answers, and you do not LEARN that way!!!!!!! Now, try this, you will be thunderstruck with the results: Each of you has stored within you unlimited amounts of factual and “Earthshaking” information. This information was put into your consciousness in order for you to retrieve it in order for you to learn. Now just start by holding a discussion about the last series of questions you were trying to ask us, and “let it flow.”

Q: (T) I have a question for you Laura, does that feel weaker? {Tom is giving Reiki to Laura’s neck} (L) Well, it’s not hot like it used to be, and I am just wondering, since you took the second attunements from Jim G… let’s just ask… Is Tom’s Reiki cancelled by Jim G’s. initiation?

A: Faltering.

Q: (L) But he had good Reiki to begin with and it will be okay for me right now?

A: Open.

{At this point the group reviewed the comments that had been made regarding several persons prominently involved in UFO research who had also been involved or quoted in the Krill document. This gave us a starting point in evaluating the material. The reader may wish to recall said comments from earlier sections. Don Ware was brought up because he was also mentioned, though he had not been involved in the KRLL papers.}

Q: (L) Who is Don Ware. I asked about him because JW gave me a list of names.

(T) Okay Don Ware used to be the Regional MUFON director over on the East Coast, and he got run out because he was moving into the metaphysical side of the phenomenon and MUFON is a nuts and bolts operation. They don’t want to hear this kind of stuff at all. (F) I know they don’t because they are looking strictly at it as… (T) They are trying to get scientific credibility…

(F) Well, yes, and they want a UFO to land that you can go up to and take a hammer and go Plink, plink, plink! It’s Here!

(T) They want to know where the aliens are from, what they are up to, what kind of propulsion systems they use, how they build them, which… I have reached the opinion that MUFON is the continuation of Project Bluebook. When they closed Project Bluebook, they went out and subverted the UFO groups starting with NICAP and APRO and MUFON is one of the latest of the groups that changes from one type of group to another and all the information that is gathered in the field, goes to Texas and there it disappears and no one ever hears about it again. The Black Hole of Texas.

(L) So, in other words, if John Lear and William Cooper are getting the Cassiopaean Seal of Approval, and they are saying basically the same thing the KRLL document is saying, where did they get their information?

(T) One of the thoughts on that was Moore or Lear or Bennewitz, one of these, was the one that had written the KRLL papers. There was some talk that KRLL may have been an acronymn used by the government to identify this being who gave the information which is the basis of this document.

(L) To your knowledge, would Lear or Cooper ever have been in a position, or did they ever at any time claim to have been in a position, to observe any of this activity written up in this document themselves?

(T) I don’t believe that either of them have ever claimed to have been in a position to have physically observed any of this or to have been in the underground bases. They were working with information they claimed to have gotten from other sources.

(L) And what do they claim their other sources are, unnamed?

(T) A lot of them are unnamed. Moore and Cooper claim they have inside government sources. I believe Cooper is the one who claims that he at one time worked for the military. In fact he was Air Force, I believe.

(L) Is he the one who claims that he was the intelligence analyst for the Admiral of the Pacific Fleet?

(T) Yes. There are several versions of the Cooper papers as he modifies and updates them. He didn’t change anything really, he just cleaned them up, re-edited them and added to them.

(L) Okay, if this is the case, it would seem to me that a person would have a much better chance of having something believed if they presented it as coming from a human source who either observed or saw it. Why would they say that this is an alien dictating this when that is so far and away more unbelievable? It seems to me that if they were making it up they would have far better chance if they said a human extracted this information rather than that it is what the alien said. That would almost tend, in a backward sort of way, to make you think that maybe this KRLL dude, maybe it was true. But, the only thing about that is, if it was an alien, especially if it was an STS alien, how much of it was true? That’s the question.

(T) Well, KRLL was supposed to be one of the standard Grays.

(L) Well, then, we can’t rely on anything he says. We can rely on the fact that it is possible that it was an alien who gave this information, but if it was one of the standard Grays, then we know who and what they are and we have to look at the information itself as being unreliable, not necessarily the human who revealed the scenario.

(F) Well, it is not necessarily unreliable even if it is an STS source.

(L) Yes, but as STS they would undoubtedly only give information that would tend to service their position.

(F) That would seem to be the case if you look at it from the obvious angle. But, that is not necessarily true. Just because it is an STS alien, and, in fact, a cybergenetic being, that does not mean that the information is necessarily inaccurate for several reasons. For those of us who have reached a certain level of understanding, our first assumption would be that it is inaccurate, so it could be a reverse psychology ploy. Give accurate information, get those who are at a higher level of understanding to think it’s inaccurate, when in actuality it is accurate.

(L) Well, do you know what it said? It says, basically, what we have been getting here.

(F) Well, then it is accurate.

(T) If this is a standard cybergenetic Gray, the question is how much biological is he? Is he biological enough to pass a dissection?

(L) Sure, absolutely. There are reports of autopsies of these guys, they just can’t figure out how they feed.

(F) They are cybergenetic, but they look and function exactly like a biological being. If you go inside of them you will find blood and fibers and tissue and microscopic evidence…

(L) The microscopic exams, from what I have heard, reveal that they’re more in the line of a plant…

(T) Yes.

(F) Which, of course, would indicate that they have been grown!

(L) Yes. Imagine chromosomal linking of human genetic information with that of the plant kingdom.

(T) You could literally grow hundreds of them easily.

(L) And plant them like seeds… and, apparently that is what they have done. People have come back who have been taken to these ships and have seen walls of containers growing these things. Like a room in a hot house.

(F) Well, there you go. We have gotten information which indicates that the Grays have access to both dimensions because they are probes of the Lizzies. And this gives us a further clue as to what a strange place 4th level is if such “probes” can be grown like plants! And, what level must fully souled 4d beings be when we are fooled into believing their cybergenetic constructions are the “real thing!”

(T) Does this mean that the abilities of the Lizzies, since they have to create “probes” to enter our density, would not be any more advanced than, say, your everyday spirit? Without the Grays, would they be able to interact with us at all?

(F) Yes.

(L) Yes, they are, they have, they will and they do. (F) But, there are several problems. One is their appearance is very, very alarming…

(J) They would garner a lot of attention if they walked down the street.

(T) It depends on how they dress themselves.

(L) They can shape-shift.

(F) They can shape-shift, but only for a limited period of time.

(L) Because it takes 3rd density energy to do that.

(F) That brings up something, when we were talking to Susy on the phone the other night, Susy and Barry mentioned the Men In Black. The response said that the Men In Black were “Lizard beings.” In many reports of Men In Black, they have been described as very strange in numerous ways. Their voices have been described as sounding like they come from an echo chamber, and…

(T) Well, when we asked about the Men in Black in one of the sessions, what did the Cassiopaeans say? That they are “Projections.”

(J) Exactly, maybe that is a clue, maybe that is how they come into our reality: as projections from 4th into 3rd.

(F) But, there is one case that always sticks in my mind, and it took place relatively recently, on April 28, 1978, a guy in Maine who had been doing UFO research, was accosted by a single Man in Black. He said the guy was very strange in many ways. He had pink… his face looked like it was covered with make-up, and, in fact, when he touched himself at one point and his face started to smear as if it was completely covered. And then, he suddenly got up and said: “Have to go now… run-n-n-ing out of e- ner-gy.” Then he walked out of the house and staggered down the drive. They guy said that at that point he became somewhat disoriented as he watched the Man in Black start to stagger….

(L) He was not the Energizer Bunny! {laughter}

(F) And then the man saw a light that he at first thought was the headlight of a car, but the Man in Black walked into the light and was gone.

(J) Projections! That’s how they move from 4th to 3rd.

(L) They said they project as a “triage.” Remember. It was something like travel in space/time.

(T) Well, we have gotten off the discussion of KRLL, but we have certainly been led into some pretty amazing conclusions about 4th level.

(F) Maybe KRLL is just Kaput, at this point.

(L) Who cares about KRLL? We just use them and throw them away! {laughter}

(T) That’s what I was getting at… should we treat our standard UFO stuff… I mean, we are beyond that now…

(J) Yes, we are…

(T) with what we are working with here…

(F) All of what we have worked with over the years, the ideas of it being nuts and bolts, which I originally thought too, and it’s clear if one has been following the whole phenomenon closely, it has evolved, actually, from a nuts-and-bolts perspective, and I am not knocking nuts-and-bolts, but those who are really looking with an open mind are seeing that this is far more.

(L) Alright, here it is guys… {had been looking for references to Men In Black} … Who or what are the Men in Black? Lizard Projections.

(T) We got on to that because we were asking about the projection of the guy in the Camaro that showed up in my driveway.

(L) Okay. Does this mean that the Lizards are just projecting an image of a being? And, the answer was “yes.” At that point Terry asked: “The MIBs are not real in our physical terms?” And the answer: “Partly correct. You do not understand technology but we will describe it if you like. First we must explain further”time travel” because the two concepts are closely related. The first step is to artificially induce an electro-magnetic field. This opens the door between dimensions of reality. Next, thoughts must be channeled by participant in order to access reality bonding channel. They must then focus the energy to the proper dimensional bridge, the electrons must be arranged in correct frequency wave, and then the triage must be sent through realm curtain in order to balance perceptions at all density levels. Triage is as follows: 1. Matter; 2. Energy; 3. Perception of reality.” In other words they send through…

(J) Holographic images.

(T) They transmit energy that takes matter here and creates what we perceive, and what we perceive depends on…

(L) No, no, no… I know what it is… the triage must be sent through… the triage is that the matter becomes energy which then becomes perception and when it hits the other side of the curtain, the perception reconverts to energy which then coagulates as matter… it is like doing a back-flip through the realm curtain.

(T) And what the individual sees depends upon what they expect to see, which the Lizzies have to tap into first before they do the triage… that is the “reality bonding channel.” If you are open to see Men in Black, even if you don’t know what they are, then at some level of consciousness…

(F) But I think this is not just limited to Men In Black.

(L) Listen to this! “Several times I have heard references to big rectangular boxes, I would like to know who these belong to?” And the answer was: “Lizard projections…” What are they doing, projecting their whole damn reality into our world?

(F) Well, apparently part of the whole process of going from 4th to 3rd is the “projection” process itself.

(T) Yes, you have to move backward somehow.

(F) This also, of course, explains much of what we have read and heard about in terms of higher phenomena. You cannot ground it at all. So many people have fallen off the track by expecting to capture metallic craft and dissect them, and, while that does happen…

(J) And the whole concept of what’s wrong with science now is that they can’t hold it or measure it, or see it physically because it doesn’t exist!

(F) That is where material science falls apart. It is stuck in a vicious cycle.

(J) Yes, and it is using it’s own rules to make itself obsolete!

(F) Right!

(T) So, the bottom line is, we have simply gone beyond the KRLL stuff, the Cooper and Lear stuff, and so on.

(F) Which is one of the reasons why the Cassiopaeans keep telling us to stop asking these stupid questions.

(T) We don’t need to go into all that. (F) Yes, that’s UFO’s 101.

(J) Yeah, right, we’ve moved beyond all that.

(T) There’s another thing that is even more interesting and that is that we are not alone in this density, there are other beings on other planets also. And, it just may be that some of them are coming here just to throw some more stuff in the soup to keep us confused as to which or who is what.

(F) I have a feeling, though, that probably, everything that we have experienced in the UFO area over the many years is a passage from higher levels of density to this one. I don’t think that we have ever experienced a 3rd to 3rd transfer. That is just my feeling. And, it is only just now that people are beginning to realize that. In other words…

(T) Well, that is what Vallee thinks, along those lines, so he is just looking at interdimensional, because…

(F) But Vallee is also a material scientist so he is examining it in a scientific way. He is a little more open-minded than some who would just say it is impossible because we haven’t discovered it yet…

(J) Yeah, our name isn’t on it so it doesn’t exist…

(F) But, he is doing it in a very careful way.

(L) Well, have we done enough with KRLL? (T) Yeah, I think we have done more than enough with KRLL. (L) KRLL is irrelevant. I think we need to be more careful about our questions. (J) I would like to ask if this is a mode of learning the Cassiopaeans would like to see us pursue on a regular basis? (L) Okay. Consider it asked..

A: Would be a good idea.

Q: (L) I do have a question that I don’t know if we could discuss it and work it out because it is a real outside one. I would like to know if the soul’s electromagnetic pattern can be forcibly altered, from the outside, by another being, force, or source of energy?

A: No.

Q: (L) Is a person’s soul pattern determined by the cumulative experiences of that individual?

A: Part of the equation.

Q: (L) Does a person carry within their soul pattern memories of every single incident, event or happening that has ever occurred to them throughout all realms of their experience?

A: Memories are imprint of “Past, Present and Future.”

Q: (L) So, if the imprint is there… (J) “We are you in the future!” (L) Right, so if the imprint is there, and no outside force including Lizzies or Orions can…

A: You can remember us.

Q: (L) The point I am trying to get at here is that, at some level, anything that happens to us can be accessed, correct?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And it is incorrect to say that any other being can come and erase some part of our experience and replace it with their own creation in any way, shape, form or fashion?

A: Nonsense!

Q: (J) Ask if I should give “Childhood’s End” to Laura to read. I think there is some very important information in there.

A: Up to you.

Q: (J) Never mind! (L) Of course you should lend it to me. You know I read everything in sight!

A: Jan, are you going to ask us what socks to wear tomorrow?

Q: (L) Do you wear socks, Jan? (J) No. (T) What socks should she wear tomorrow? (L) Terry!

A: Red with white stripes.

Q: (J) I’m sorry. I shouldn’t have gotten off line. (L) Now, here’s a couple of things I would like to ask about and I am not asking about because I want… because we have already discussed this at some length. Some time ago I asked about the “Wise Baby” dream, that is about the baby that was ten days old and quoting Shakespeare, and I thought this was unusual and asked about it. You said I should discover. Well, Mother had a similar dream the other day. She did not know about my dream, but we both dreamed about talking babies. This is mentioned in the Budd Hopkins book. The significant things about these dreams is the talking baby. The passage in the Budd Hopkin’s book describes the woman who underwent hypnotic regression to investigate her “Wise Baby” dream and discovered that the dream was not the reality. In my and my mother’s dream there were individuals present who pronounced the baby to be evil and who advised us not to interact with it. The day following the dream we both felt very uncomfortable, ill-at-ease, and slightly depressed. In the book, the woman who had the dream said it was a “feel good” dream and she liked it. But then she found out it was not such a good dream. My question about this is, at a very deep level, what does this baby represent?

A: Nothing.

Q: (L) Is the baby a cover memory or a screen memory of another event?

A: Maybe.

Q: (L) We hashed it around and Jan pointed out that in both dreams there was somebody in the dream who told us not to listen to the baby. Who does this person telling us not to listen to this baby represent? Is this information from you guys in our dreams telling us not to listen to this baby? Is this baby, in fact, a screen memory of an interaction with an alien of some sort? i.e. Grays or Lizzies?

A: Differs.

Q: (L) What differs? (T) It wasn’t an interaction with the Grays or the Lizzies. (L) Okay, can you tell me…

A: Each is individual.

Q: (L) So this means that my dream is different from my mother’s dream and both are different from the dream of the woman in the book?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Well, I guess that if I want to know more about the dream I can do a meditation or hypnosis.

A: Bingo!

Q: (L) Terry and I were discussing the migration of objects underground. As you know, we dug where you told us to dig and we did find a space underground where something obviously had been. We then found that the ground was soft.

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And it was as though somebody had dug very deep but moving in a strange direction. Well, Terry, interestingly, had read a work on the tendency of objects to move underground stimulated by the drainage of water through the earth. It almost seems that the pattern of this soft sand is toward an area where there is water. Could it be possible that something could migrate through the sand this way?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And would it migrate toward an area where water flows through the ground?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And could it migrate that distance in, say, 50 or 60 years?

A: Sure!

Q: (L) And, in order to migrate that distance in that period of time, what would the approximate weight of an object have to be?

A: Open.

Q: (T) It doesn’t matter. The weight of the object is irrelevant to the movement. The thought crosses my mind, what if it was dug deliberately as a tunnel?

A: Yes. Are you onto something? Hmmm?

Q: (L) So, my husband’s idea to expand the cellar, to brace the corners with blocks as he digs, in order to prevent cave-in… (F) Did you find a place when you dug that looked like a place where somebody had put something? (L) There was a hollow space under the cement floor. Under this was the soft sand area which continues to extend downward and outward surrounded by hard packed sand. (F) Well, obviously something was there. (L) Was this something that has been moved already?

A: Discover, it is fun.

Q: (L) Well my thoughts are, also, interestingly, because out of this whole project has come the idea of expanding the cellar which will then make a space that you can go into and stand instead of just a root cellar. Do you guys have plans for this room we are building?

A: Who knows?

Q: (L) It occurred to me as I was thinking about it: remember when we were talking about Noah and the ark and how we were told that the symbolism was that Noah just built an ark because it seemed like a good idea at the time and later it came in handy. (T) And you are digging this out because it seems like a good idea but you don’t know why yet. Maybe there is some other reason and maybe you will find something in the digging, too. But, you are also going to end up with an expanded basement and there may be another reason for it. But, you don’t know that yet and they are not going to tell you! (J) You’ll find out when the time is right. (T) You are already started in that direction. (L) Yeah. He said since he has already done all this digging he might as well finish the job. (T) It may not be for a flood or an earthquake or whatever, it just may be useful for something else. Maybe you’re just supposed to get that finished so we can move our sessions downstairs!

A: You are learning, Bravo!

Q: (T) Well, we are back on the right track. So, you have to continue digging! (L) Gee, thanks! (T) Well, that is where the fun is! It’s a treasure hunt!

A: And you might just find something verrrry interesting!!!

Q: (L) Jan and I are very curious about artistic expression at 4th density. We experience art and music in a very positive and moving way, most of us, in this realm, and sometimes music can be very sublime and very transforming. It can move one in a lot of very unusual ways. What is it like in 4th density?

A: In 4th, you can “see” sounds and “hear” colors, for example.

Q: (L) Is this, now you guys just calm down when I ask this question… (F) I know what you are going to ask… (L) No remarks, okay? Many years ago when I was a child of the 60’s and 70’s, I tried some LSD. (T) I know exactly what you are going to ask, yeah, because I’ve seen it too! (J) Yes. (L) In a major way! Geometric patterns and colors manifested with music. (T) Yes! (L) Is this what we are talking about here?

A: Bingo!

Q: (L) So, in other words…

A: The answer to your next question is yes, you experienced a bleed through of 4th density.

Q: (F) In other words an acid trip is like a glimpse into 4th density. (L) Do you recommend this method for accessing this type of reality.

A: Open.

Q: (T) Well, the problem is that some people would want to do that all the time and not work on doing it in a natural way.

A: Yes.

Q: (T) And other people would use it and abuse it and use it as an excuse. (J) And damage themselves. (L) Yes, it is obviously something that has to be very carefully handled. We can’t encourage this.{My experience with it was not extremely pleasant, to put it mildly and I never let anybody talk me into something like that again!} (J) Is that like the concept of adding additional dimensions to the 3 we normally experience?

A: Yes. 4th level density implies and additional dimension of experience, doesn’t it?

Q: (T) The first dimension is a single point, the second is the movement of the point into a line, the third is the movement of the line into a plane and the addition of time gives solidity. What is the fourth?

A: Discover!

Q: (T) Is time frequency also as we perceive time?

A: Not as you perceive it.

Q: (T) We perceive it linearly, but is it a frequency that our sense organs do not interpret correctly?

A: Maybe.

Q: (L) They have told us before that time is an illusion or a deception imposed at the time of the “fall.” (J) I’ve seen, we have all seen, the light spectrum. What we are able to perceive with our eyes is only a limited section. Is reality like that? What we are able to perceive is only a small section of the spectrum of vibrations?

A: Close.

Q: (T) When we move into 4th density will we be able to perceive more of this electromagnetic band?

A: Much.

Q: (J) So, it expands our awareness?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) A few years ago I was meditating and I did what I call “zoning.” It is an indescribable state. I kind of bobbed back to the surface for a moment because I experienced a buzzing in my head that sounded like an electrical transformer. Words came into my head that were like: “The presence is approaching,” and I thought immediately of Shekina, or the “forerunner” of the “presence of God.” I was a little agitated because I was not positioned in the way I would have liked to be to receive any experience or visitation. I adjusted myself in a more “prim and proper” position and remember nothing more until I just sort of came to with the intense urge to relieve my bladder. I don’t know how much time passed, but it must have been a considerable period to have the physical urge that strong. The bed was adjacent to a wall between the bedroom and the bathroom with just a walk space. I had to be careful not to bump my head on the wall when I was getting up. I got out of the bed and was quite startled to discover that my head and shoulders passed right through the wall. As soon as I noticed that, I started to pay attention to what else I was experiencing. I noticed that all physical objects appeared as transparent slides of color and light. The walls of the house did not exist, I could see the children in their beds in other rooms in the house, their bodies were light. I could see through the house to the outside and it was not darkness as we perceive it. I was aware that it was night, but trees, plants and other objects were apparent by their appearance as color and light. I had a brief thought of something distant and it was as though my vision was telescopic and zoomed onto it instantaneously. I was also aware that my vision was 360, that is, I could see in all directions at once. All of this happened very quickly, or so it seemed, and I realized that I was not in the body. That thought startled me and the instant I was startled, that is, felt an inkling of fear, I snapped back in like a rubber band. I discovered myself exactly as I had been prior to hearing the buzzing, not having made the adjustments in my position. I think what we are talking about when we talk about 4th density, is this kind of perception.

(F) Well, you remember in Whitley Strieber’s book, he talks about floating out of his body and he became aware of all kinds of things including the fields around power lines and it is quite a description.

(L) Well, it was a very strange experience, to say the least.

(T) When you started to explain about the trance state, you said: “What I call zoned out, I can’t explain it.” That’s the same thing the Cassiopaeans say when we ask them to explain what 4th density is like!

(J) Yes, we have no physical frame of reference.

(L) Yes, I can’t say I wasn’t unaware, because I was intensely aware of everything. And yet, I can’t say I was focused on any one thing, because I was not.

(F) The last session we had we received some clues as to why it is they can’t explain all these things. They said something when we were talking about plants and rocks at 1st density. Try to think of something in animal language to express what it is like to perceive the universe as a human. The thing that occurs to me is that, even though we share the same space with dogs, cats, etc., their perception of the universe is so radically different that for all intents and purposes, they might as well be on another planet.

(T) Science tells us that a dog’s eyes only see in black and white.

(F) It isn’t just what they physically can see and how they see it, but how they perceive and understand it and how they think. It is so radically different from a human being… and some people get all attached and all emotional and think that animals are almost human and the dog isn’t even thinking “Oh, I’m a dog, I think I’ll just take a nap.” There is no anything that we can understand. So, if you think about the steps up density-wise, if they are merely equal, imagine the jump from 3rd to 4th! In 4th, they may understand us entirely, but their view is radically different.

(L) Let’s say goodnight.


3.8 January 21, 1995

Frank, Laura, Terry, Jan, S, D, Chuck

{the guests, “D” and “Chuck” were problematic for a number of reasons. Chuck was a PI who had worked with me on an abduction case. He wasn’t really “into” the paranormal and asked to attend just out of curiosity. “D” is the woman who appears at a couple other sessions and was discussed in “The Wave” as the science teacher who claimed, under hypnosis, to have been affiliated with preying mantis type aliens.}

Q: (L) Who do we have with us?

A: Torrillahk.

Q: (L) And where are you from, Torillahk?

A: Cassiopaea. [(L) Let’s get the ridge out of the board.]

Q: (L) Do you have any messages?

A: Thank you. [Apparently for getting the ridge out of the board.]

Q: (L) You are welcome. Do you have any messages for any of us tonight, or should we just start in on our questions?

A: Any rituals performed tonight?

Q: (L) Did anyone do any rituals? Why do you ask?

A: Feel some restrictions.

Q: (D) I bathed in bath salt. (L) That wouldn’t do anything. Sue has some questions about some of her healing things. (S) If I put my finger on a certain muscle in an inter-oral area, would you be able to tell me if it is the correct position? {Sue is a massage therapist.}

A: Okay.

Q: (S) Okay, is this the terragoid?

A: Okay.

Q: (S) Okay, I guess it’s the terragoid. That was where I had my finger. I just needed to know that. (S) Which school of thought, Upliger or Nix (?)…..

A: Your work is less dependent upon physical factors than you think.

Q: (T) Is it that she should use more intuition in this? A:

Aural frequency.

Q: (L) In other words, feel it. (S) Don’t I still need the basic knowledge?

A: Sense, knowledge is held within, simply unlock more and more as needed.

Q: (S) Sometimes it’s hard to… (L) Go ahead, ask your questions. (S) Does realigning the sphenoid (?) bone actually do something with the pituitary gland?

A: All these procedures are factored by your own natural healing abilities, this is of the light, and comes from within when you follow your natural instincts and trust!

Q: (T) Yes, it does, it does what they just said! (S) Would myofacial unwinding help me unblock some of my own fears, hesitancies…

A: Just trust your extraordinary abilities!

Q: (T) What they are trying to tell you is to go with what you think is right because it will be right, because it is coming from within you, and it’s not so much whether you’ve touched here, or touched there, it’s that wherever you’ve touched is the intent. It’s what they say, intent is what it is. (S) But the way the law of this country and state goes, you also have to have that piece of paper that says yes, you can do this.

A: Bravo, Terry!

Q: (T) Thank you, thank you! (L) Well, go ahead and get the licensing and do what feels right. You’re doing the right stuff. Everything you’re doing, you’re doing by instinct, you know, continue the classes. (S) It’s like, I know about three or four ways for carpal-tunnel syndrome, they’re all totally different… (L) Try them all, one might work differently for a different person, they can all be right, you know.

A: It is not the physical methodology that matters.

Q: (J) It’s like you’re tapped in, just go with the flow.

A: Humor the authorities, they know not any better.

Q: (S) Why am I so reluctant to use some things, is it because I’m going to too many classes, too many different schools of thought, that I’m getting confused?

A: Lose the fear and just do it! Welcome, Chuck, you were a “wild one” in youth, eh? Lady Killer. Mirth.

Q: [Laughter.] (L) We’re going to go on with our questions and see how many we can cram into this session. (D) Monday is the 23rd, my house is supposed to sell. My Realtor is sweating blood.

A: Did we not tell you?

Q: (D) Yeah, you did. (L) The van I looked at today, is there anything significantly wrong with it that doesn’t show up, or that I have missed, that we have missed, is it as good a deal as it seems to be?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Okay, that’s all I wanted to know. Back in the 1970’s in the Central United States there were quite a number of cases of animal mutilation. There has been a lot of publicity about this at some point and then it died down and was covered up, and there were a lot of ideas and theories about it. What I would like to know is who was doing the animal mutilations?

A: Many.

Q: Okay, who was doing most of the animal mutilations?

A: Not applicable.

Q: Okay. Was some of the animal mutilation done by the U.S Government, or entities within the government?

A: Was?

Q: (L) In other words, it is still going on. So Okay, so they are still doing it. Was, or is, some of this activity being conducted by alien individuals?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) Were they acting for the same reasons?

A: No.

Q: Why did the government do animal mutilations?

A: Copy, in order to throw off investigation.

Q: (L) So they copied this activity to throw off investigations. Did they do this as an act to protect the aliens who were doing animal mutilations for their own purposes?

A: No.

Q: (L) Were they doing it to protect themselves from the public knowing that they were engaged in alien interactions?

A: They do it to protect the public from knowing that which would explode society if discovered.

Q: (L) What is this item that they were protecting so that society or the public wouldn’t know about it. What activity is this?

A: Humans eat cattle, aliens eat you.

Q: (T) They’ve said that before. (L) Okay, yeah, we eat second level, they eat third. Did aliens do some of the cattle mutilations?

A: Yes.

Q: What do aliens do to cattle?

A: Blood.

Q: (L) They take the blood out of them?

A: Yes.

Q: (J) They drink it? What do they use this blood for?

A: Nourishment.

Q: (L) Okay, but you just said that aliens eat humans, and humans eat cattle. Why were the aliens being nourished by cattle, if that’s not their normal bill of fare? (J) Delicacy. (T) A cow’s blood is a lot like human blood.

A: Do you not ever consume facsimile?

Q: (T) Hamburger helper? Shake and Bake, (J) And I helped! (laughter) Sorry!

A: Facsimile is less controversial, obviously!

Q: (L) So in other words, they were eating cattle just to keep from having to eat so many humans, that would have just upset people a lot, is that it? Oh god.

A: Yes.

Q: (T) So, since they’re eating cattle instead of humans, does that mean they’ll stop eating humans? (L) Terry, you know better than that! (T) Well, it’s the next logical question.

A: Some of their human “food” is merely emotions, think of flesh as being the equal of “filet mignon.”

Q: (T) Some of their food is merely emotions. Okay, when we’re talking about these aliens, are we talking about the Grays?

A: No.

Q: (T) We’re talking about the Lizards.

A: Yes.

Q: (T) Okay, what do the Grays feed on?

A: Plasma.

Q: (T) Okay, the Grays feed on plasma, blood plasmas of some kind, is this what you are saying?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) Okay, so that’s why they want the blood; so, do the Grays feed on emotions?

A: No.

Q: (T) Okay,

A: They send them to Lizards.

Q: (T) The Grays send emotions to the Lizards? They’re transmitters?

A: Transfer energy through technology.

Q: (L) Let me ask this… (T) Are the cattle giving off enough emotion for the Grays to feed this to the Lizards also?

A: No. That is physical only, you see, Lizards and Grays only need physical nourishment while “visiting” 3rd level, not when in natural realm, 4th density, there they feed on emotions only.

Q: (T) Grays are not strictly third density? Because they’ve been created by the Lizzies?

A: Yes. Correct, they too are 4th level.

Q: (L) Okay, let me ask, while we’re on this subject, real quickly, we need to move on to cover these questions. Actually, it becomes moot, since we know their technological capabilities. What technology do they use to surgically excise certain areas of the cattle’s anatomy, is this done by laser…

A: Laser-like

Q: (L) Okay, since it has been noted that quite frequently the cattle mutilations consist of taking very specific parts of the body, such as the eyeballs, the genitalia; they core out the anal sphincter right up to the colon; what would be the purpose for these specific body parts? I mean, do they core out the rectum and put a pump on there and suck all the blood out, I mean… (T) That’s what the tail’s for! It’s a pump! (L) Why? Why do they do this?

A: Close.

Q: (L) Close? I’m close?

A: Yes. Not the tail part, ha ha!

Q: (L) Okay, I think we kind of have an answer to this one, but there have been very frequently associated with the phenomenon of cattle mutilations, sightings of black, unmarked helicopters, who or what are these helicopters?

A: Variable.

Q: (L) Are some of these helicopters disguised alien craft? Are some of these helicopters the property of the U.S. Government?

A: Yes to both.

Q: (T) Are some of these helicopters private enterprise? A:


Q: (L) Oh, boy Terry, you had to do that! A whole new can of worms!

A: All are interconnected

Q: (L) Okay, I want to ask this one, because this is one I haven’t hit lately. Wendelle Steven’s, who was associated with Billy Meier, and also Genesis 2 or 3, put out the Billy Meier book on the Billy Meier sightings….

A: Some too, are projections, this phenomenon is multifaceted.

Q: (L) I expect that goes back to the black helicopters. I want to know about Wendelle Stevens, associate of Billy Meier…

A: Why? This is wasted energy.

Q: (L) Well, I just want to know how reliable he is. In a word, is this person somebody who can be relied upon for factual information, yes or no?

A: No.

Q: (L) Okay, that’s good enough. Who are the oriental- appearing personnel that have been seen manning the helicopters and the white vans that have been sighted all over the country?


Q: (T) Talk about opening up another can of worms! (L) I’m not even going to touch that one!

A: And government copycats.

Q: (L) Okay, now, I have a list of names, and I want a yes or no as to whether these individuals were - because I believe most of them are deceased right now, this is just a little verification on some other things for the general public - were these individuals involved in the cover-up of the UFO activity and phenomenon in the U.S.?:

Roscoe Hillencotter (Yes)

Dr Vannebar Bush (Yes)

Secretary James Forrestal (yes)

General Nathan Twining (Yes)

General Hoyt F. Vandenberg (Yes)

Dr. Detlev Bronck (?) (Yes)

Jerome Hudson (Yes)

Mr. Sydney Sauers (Yes)

Donald Menzel (Yes)

Robert Montague (Yes)

Dr. Lloyd B. Berger (Yes)

Q: Who is in MJ12 now?

A: Will not reveal as you would be terminated if this information were to be let out, so forget it now!

Q: Does MJ12 still exist?

A: In different form.

Q: I would like to know who sent the MJ 12 documents to Jamie Shandera? Who sent those documents to him?

A: Bill Cooper.

Q: (T) Who sent them to Cooper?

A: He discovered them in records review.

Q: (L) He is the one who discovered the MJ 12 documents? Does he claim he sent them? (T) Yes. (L) How did you know that and I didn’t know that? (T) I read the Cooper book, the early Cooper papers.

A: Cooper was unintended security leak, then “turncoat.”

Q: (T) Okay, so he found all this out when he was working for the government…

A: Yes.

Q: …Which is how he got them out of the records?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) Well Okay, while we are on the subject… I don’t want the names of those involved with MJ12, the question is, if you gave us the names, how many of those people would we know? Not personally, but how many would we know? How many would we have heard of?

A: One or two maybe.

Q: (T) Which is what I figured. Just like back in the 40’s you wouldn’t have known who these people were. Hillencotter and Forrestal, maybe, because they were WWII people, their names were in the paper. Unless you were into sciences, you wouldn’t know who these people were. (L) How many alien craft, actual alien craft, are in the hands of the government or this consortium?

A: 36

Q: (L) And were these captured craft? Or gifted?

A: And recovered.

Q: (T) Ok, they were all three. Were any of them purchased?

A: Not correct concept, Grays are not financial.

Q: (T) I didn’t mean by money, I meant purchased as in some kind of a trade. A gift is something that is given without anything in return (J) We give them something in return. (T) Were the gift ones not what we would really consider gifts, but they were given to us in return for something else, some other kind of payment? Barter?

A: No. Because all sought return favors were already achieved.

Q: (L) So it was all just a farce. (T) So they were payment as opposed to gifts.

A: Not correct concept

Q: (L) How about this: They weren’t payment, they weren’t gifts, they were distractions?

A: Closer.

Q: (T) Okay, we’ve got captured ships, recovered ships, something called gifted ships, that were not really gifted ships, and the concept that some of them were purchased, but they were not purchased in a sense that we would normally purchase things, bartered for something, and that the ships that were gifted were given to the government in order to keep them distracted from other things that the beings were doing. Is this something close along the lines of what we’re talking about?

A: Close

Q: (T) Okay, so there’s a lot of different categories of how these ships got into the hands of the federal government?

A: Yes. Multidimensional

Q: (L) Okay, give me a yes or no answer on this: Dr. Paul Bennewitz - reliable, yes or no?

A: No.

Q: (L) Is his statement, as it is recorded in the KRLL papers, falsified?

A: No.

Q: (L) Is that statement true?

A: Partly.

Q: (L) Was he reliable previously? At the time he was doing that work?

A: Sort of.

Q: (L) Who is O. H. Krill

A: No one.

Q: (L) Is O. H. Krill a group?

A: Symbolism.

Q: (L) Symbolism of what? What does O. H. Krill translate out to?

A: For documentary purposes only, your government likes code names.

Q: (L) Are you implying that this piece of work was put out by the government for dissemination of the subject matter? (J) Is it disinformation?

A: Complex.

Q: (L) Give us a percentage of factual information in this document.

A: 43%

Q: (L) Are you saying that 43% is factual?

A: Close enough.

Q: (L) Okay, so, in other words, this has been planted by the government. Was it put out with the intention of giving out some factual information…

A: No. Planted? No.

Q: (L) You are saying it was planted? (T) It was leaked purposely?

A: Your government is operating on many cross-purposes, very complicated!

Q: (T) Even the simplest things are very complicated with them. Okay, question: The U.S. government…

A: On purpose!

Q: (T) Very true. Question: The government, our government, the U.S. government, is holding 36 craft of one kind or another that they gotten in one way or another. How many other governments have craft?

A: All is one.

Q: (L) We already have a one-world government is what they’re saying. (T) Yes, they’re just waiting to make it official somehow. (L) Let me ask. What is…

A: Has been so for long time, as you measure time.

Q: (L) Let me ask this one before the tape runs out and we take a break. What is the “ultimate secret” being protected by the Consortium?

A: You are not in control of yourselves, you are an experiment.


Q: Do you have anything else to say on that subject?

A: Up to you.

Q: (T) When you say this is the ultimate secret, that we’re being “protected” from by the government, are we talking about the ultimate secret of humans only here?

A: Basically.

Q: (T) The ultimate secret of the human race is that we are an experiment that other humans are conducting on the rest of us?

A: Part.

Q: (T) Okay, does the other part have to do with the Lizards?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Other aliens also?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) Okay, so, are the humans who are running the experiment, do they know that they are part of the experiment also?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) And they’re doing this willingly?

A: They have no choice.

Q: (L) Why do they have no choice?

A: Already in progress.

Q: (T) What is the experiment about?

A: Too complicated for you to understand.

Q: (J) I hate it when that happens! (T) Okay, is this part of, is this about the experiment the Lizzies are doing of dominating us and sucking us dry?

A: Yes, but there’s much more than that, you will understand at level 4.

Q: (T) Okay, I won’t pursue that much farther. (L) Okay, in this Krill document there was a statement made that the Grays and other aliens use glandular substances extracted during physical exams of human beings, what they would call the gynecological and the sperm extraction exams, that they used these glandular substances to get high or to feed on, that they are addicted to these, is this a correct assessment?

A: No.

Q: (L) Do they use glandular substances at all?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) What do they use glandular substances for?

A: Medicine.

Q: (L) And what or who do they use this medicine on?

A: Themselves.

Q: (L) And what does this medicine do for them?

A: Helps them cope with 3rd density.

Q: (T) Is this something that they use to help them stay in the 3d density?

A: Close.

Q: (L) Does it help them to manifest in a more solid physical manner?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) So, in other words, they draw glandular substances. Do they also use sexual energy given off by individuals to maintain their status in 3 dimensions?

A: No. That feeds them in 4d, as we told you before.

Q: (L) Yes. Okay. How “long”, and I put long in quotes, because we know, as you say, there is no time, but how long, as we measure it, have the Grays been interacting with our race? The Grays, not the Lizards, the Grays, the cybergenetic probes?

A: No.

Q: (L) What do you mean, “No”?

A: Time travelers, therefore, “Time is ongoing.”

Q: (L) Okay, recently I read a couple of books Jan gave me, “Knight in Shining Armor” and “Replay”. Both of these books described time travel.

A: No, not finished with answer. Do you understand the gravity of last response?

Q: (L) They are time travelers, they can move forward and backward in time, they can play games with our heads… (T) They can set up the past to create a future they want. (D) They can organize things so that they can create the energy that they need… (L) They can also make things look good, make them feel good, make them seem good, they can make you have an idea one minute, and then the next minute, create some sort of situation that confirms that idea…

A: When you asked how long, of course it is totally unlimited, is it not?

Q: (L) That’s not good. If they were to move back through space time and alter an event in our past, would that alteration in the past instantaneously alter our present as well?

A: Has over and over and over.

Q: (D) So they do it over and over and over, constantly? (L) So, at each…

A: You just are not yet aware, and have no idea of the ramifications!!!

Q: (L) We’re getting a little glimmer! Yeah, I do, a little! (T) The ramifications of being able to move in and out of time and manipulate it the way you want (Jan/Laura) And the ramifications of what they’re doing to us; what they are doing to us and what they will do to us, over and over. (F) What did it say about over and over? (L) So, in other words, our only real prayer in this whole damn situation is to get out of this density level. That’s what they’re saying, that’s what it sounds like to me.

A: Close.

Q: (L) Because, otherwise, we’re just literally, as in that book, stuck in the replay over and over and over, and the Holocaust could happen over and over, and we could just, you know… Genghis Khan, Attila the Hun… over and over and over again. (T) We’re stuck in a time loop; they’re putting us in a time loop. (J) Are we in a time loop?

A: Yes.

Q: (D) I have a question about… there was a… (PAUSE) Mankind has found it necessary for some reason or other to appoint time for some reason or other. The only reason I can see is to have a means of telling, like in verbal or written communications…

A: Control mechanism.

Q: (T) Is there a way for us to break the control mechanism? Besides moving to 4th density? (D) That was part…

A: Nope.

Q: (D) When 4th density beings communicate it’s telepathic, right?

A: Yes.

Q: (D) Okay, since time doesn’t exist, how do you communicate about happenings?

A: Rephrase, please; clarify.

Q: (L) What she means to ask is, if you’re communicating telepathically… (D) On 4th density.. (L) And time doesn’t exist, how do you communicate about events as one happens now, as opposed to later and the next thing happens, and the next thing happens… (J) How is it sequential?

A: Translate.

Q: (D) Translate? Okay, let me explain what I mean. I mean, we talk about 1907 something happened…

A: That is how it is done.

Q: (T) Translate is how it is done. You translate the experience?

A: From 4 to 3. And vice verse.

Q: (L) So, in other words, it’s almost like making movies. (J) Are linear thought processes part of it? Is it being linear and non-linear?

A: Part of 3d illusion only.

Q: (L) So, in other words, if you’re a 4th density being, everything is more or less happening, excuse the term happening, everything is simultaneous, and if you wish to discuss or communicate or have any focus upon any particular aspect of this unified dimension, then what you do is you kind of extract it out, project it into 3d…

A: Close.

Q: (L) … like a movie.

A: But you will not understand fully until you get there

Q: (T) Okay, so it’s a concept that we can’t completely grasp in 3d at this point.

A: Can a dog grasp algebra? You got it.

Q: (L) In other words, we’re in bad shape! And these guys are playing games with us, so to speak…

A: Subjective.

Q: (T) Subjective to whether we’re in bad shape or not. A:


Q: (T) I was going to say that doesn’t necessarily mean we’re in bad shape… (L) Well, the situation we find ourselves in, is the only way of getting out of this time loop, so to speak, to move into another density, or is there a loop in the other density as well?

A: No.

Q: (L) No loop in the other density?

A: Yogis can do it.

Q: (L) Yogis can do it… (T) Transcend time. (L) Okay, let me ask this before we really start to go…

A: How they control their own physicality.

Q: (L) Let me ask a few questions here before, I think we’re breaking up. First of all, there was the television special on the other night about…

A: What is “breaking up”?

Q: (L) I think it means that everybody’s getting tired and losing their focus. The question I want to ask is about this…

A: You are, but not all others

Q: (L) Well, let me get my question in here, and if you guys want to sit up all night, I’ll just keep my mouth shut.

A: Laura has “bug” in her system

Q: (L) Okay, I have a bug in my system. I want to know what this humming sound is that people are hearing all over this country? I mean people have been reporting hearing this intense humming sound that literally drives them crazy. There was a TV special on about this the other night. What is this humming and where is it coming from?

A: Increased EM waves in preparation for oncoming wave

Q: (L) What is the source of this sound, I mean, where specifically, location-wise, is it coming from?

A: Cosmic.

Q: (L) Okay, it’s cosmic, it’s not coming from the planet itself. Okay, what is the greatest weakness of the Lizzies or the Grays in 4d?


Q: (T) Yes, that is their greatest weakness; Service to Self. (L) Is that in both densities?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) Is there a way… can we use that against them? A:

Not correct philosophy.

Q: (T) Very true, very true. (L) I want to ask a question that Chuck brought up a little while ago, have we in our group…

A: Let Chuck ask himself.

Q: (C) Has this group been infiltrated by anyone in controlled by the aliens?

A: No, not exactly.

Q: (L) Can we get clarification?

A: Have attempted to corrupt communication, but remember, we, too are “alien”.

Q: (D) There was one time when other aliens tried to interject, but they didn’t succeed. (L) Yeah, that was in one of the other transcripts. I think what Chuck meant more specifically other than other alien communication or communicants was a particular 3 dimensional person, have we ever had such a person attend these sessions?

A: Not yet, but “stay tuned.”

Q: (L) Well, I’m done with my questions, we covered my stuff. You guys are on your own now.

A: Chuck ask.

Q: (C) That was the only question I had, and they answered it.

A: Untrue.

Q: (L) Are you wondering something? Ask. (C) How truthful the source is?

A: Up to you to decide

Q: (T) They only provide the information. They want us to make the decisions as to what we do with it, interpret it, what happens with it. I’m sure we all look at it slightly differently. We all have a different way of perceiving things, so we all perceive it differently. (D) Is the information gathered from the collective consciousness? A collection of all lessons learned by all humans?

A: Yes, and other sources as well.

Q: (D) Does this include the Lizzies?

A: Yes.

Q: (D) That includes you, also?

A: Yes.

Q: (D) Okay, can we tune into the collective consciousness?

A: Of course.

Q: (D) Okay, then, are there certain abilities needed to do this connection into the collective consciousness?

A: You all have all you need.

Q: (D) Well then, if this.. (T) By sitting here, we tap into them and they tap into us. (D) If this collective consciousness is a collection, haven’t all lessons been learned by someone at some time?

A: Yes.

Q: (D) Then can we tune into the collective consciousness to find how our same lessons have been solved before?

A: Yes. But what is “before?”

Q: (D) Before? No, I didn’t ask… (J) Before, during, after, these are all time concepts. (D) Oh, yeah.

A: Yes.

Q: (D) Well, my real question is if all the answers are there, and we can get there, why are we going through the lessons again? I mean, why do we have to go through these lessons if the solutions are already there?

A: Its all just lessons.

Q: (D) I know, that’s what made me ask… I just.. I can’t understand this.. we already have the answers, and we’re going through the lessons again… (T) Not all of us have learned all the answers, that’s why we’re all going through the lessons again…. (D) But, you see, all the answers are there…

A: Who said “again” ?

Q: (J) Is it more like “still” ? (D) But if all the answers are there…

A: You are still thinking at 3rd level.

Q: (D) Yeah, but I’m still trying to understand.. Sorry, guys

A: Don’t “try” so much, just go with it.

Q: (T) It’s like Master Yoda said in Star Wars, “Don’t try, do” …. Just do it.

A: Yes.

Q: (T) See, I knew Star Wars had a redeeming social value. (J) So did Relationships. The how is to do it. (D) But if the answers are there, and we can find the answers, to our lessons… (T) We don’t have to find the answers, we have the answers. The answers are within all of us. (D) It seems so redundant… (T) Most of the lessons are to find the right answers… (D)…to actually go through the doing of the lessons….

A: No. Not correct idea.

Q: (T) Where were we going with this? (D) Oh, it was just a wonder of mine, it’s just like, if we have the answers, I didn’t understand why we do it. (J) We’re not supposed to know. (T) Well, if we have all the answers, they’re all in us, and we all know the correct solutions to the lessons, we should always be able to do it right, but we’re doing it wrong, that means we haven’t learned it right yet.

A: Retrieval.

Q: (L) I know what she’s hanging up on here - what’s the point? (D) Yeah! (L) That’s the whole question, what’s the point? And I guess the point is, is that it’s just…

A: Lessons.

Q: (L) In other words, just to have something to do (J) Hang on a second, I want to read something to you. Corinthians 13… (D) I can’t handle this… (J) just listen. This is from Corinthians 13, the one about love. “When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child, but when I became a man, I put away childish things. For now we see through a glass darkly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then shall I know, even as I also am known.” And that’s what going from 3rd to 4th is going to be like. (D) Is that part of the… (T) Think so? (Tea kettle starts to whistle…..)

A: Yes.

Q: (J) That’s it. We’re not supposed to know it all now. In moving from 3rd to 4th, is part of the knowledge process. (T) We gain insight moving..

A: Yes.

Q: (T)…insight we don’t have yet, but we can start working with what we may not understand what it is we’re doing.

A: Close

Q: So when you said we’re thinking in 3rd…

A: Stop noise.

Q: (L) Somebody turn off the kettle… (T) It’s bothering us too, we’re taking care of it….. (….Tea kettle whistle is turned off) ….that’s one 3rd density thing we can do! So when you say that we’re thinking in 3rd density, you’re not always telling us we’re not thinking correctly, you’re just indicating that we’re thinking in 3rd density, because we can’t think in any other way.

A: Close.

Q: (T) So not all those shots were shots, they were just saying that it’s as far as we can get right now

A: We don’t shoot.

Q: (L) I have a question - do you guys have emotions…

A: Not 3rd level.

Q: (L) Okay, well, then let me ask it this way. What are your thoughts towards us, or your attitude or emotions, as you know them towards us? Individually or as a group?

A: Love.

Q: (D) Well, that’s what I needed to hear. [sigh] (J) Be patient, we’re not finished yet.

A: Hoorah!

Q: (T) Well, there’s not any of us here alone. They’re us in the future. (J) Diana, think of us like those puppies in there. Our eyes aren’t open yet, but they’ll open up. A: Yes.

A: But there is no time so you are already are where you are, you see, we are you in the “future”.

Q: (D) I have a question. Transdimensional atomic remolecularization, is this teleportation?

A: Close.

Q: (D) Okay, so this is the way we will transfer from 3rd to 4th?

A: Technology for this purpose.

Q: (D) Well, is this the way they’re going to move the new bodies to the ancient earth?

A: No. That is a natural process.

Q: (T) They’re creating the bodies now with the genetic engineering. (D) Yeah, I know, but…

A: TDARM is tech.

Q: (T) What was that? Was it a word? (J) I have no idea. Please repeat the entire…

A: Abbreviation

Q: (L) Trans Dimensional Atomic ReMolecularization! Got it. (T) It’s on the tip of everybody’s tongue these days! (D) Down at the church they gave me a list of prayers and symbols to use in a ritual where I would say a prayer while I had my hand on a symbol and the purpose of this…

A: Rituals restrict

Q: (D) So, in other words, that did not connect my DNA chains. Right?

A: Nonsense!

Q: (D) Okay, well that’s what I thought, but I went ahead and did it because I didn’t want to pass up an opportunity!

A: Stop!

Q: (T) Stop rituals. They don’t approve of any rituals, it blocks the flow, it restricts. (D) That’s fine, I won’t do it any more. (L) Pure universal knowledge includes everything, and if you establish a ritual, that means you are adhering to one line of thought, one mode of thinking, one idea structure, and, excluding all others. (D) Was that in the thing, did I miss that? (T) In different words, it’s in there several times. (L) You may not have gotten it, you only have part of the transcripts, you only have about 100 pages. (D) I got up to file 3, page 41. (L) You don’t have a whole lot of it. You’re probably missing parts of it. (T) You really have to read through it many times. (D) I don’t want to look like a pseudo- intellect… (J) You’re trying to understand.

A: Nonsense!

Q: (T) Is it ok if we bring our friend Brad Merrill?

A: Up to you.

Q: (T) Would he be a good addition to the group?

A: Open.

Q: (T) What are his feelings towards what we’re doing? A:


Q: (T) Puzzled about the purpose?

A: Does not conform to his belief system.

Q: (J) I could hear it in his voice when I was telling him, he wasn’t being openly receptive, but he wasn’t being combative about it, either. He was open…(F) Is he a MUFON person? (T) Yes, He’s scientifically based. He’s following Hoagland’s stuff. (F) Well, I’ve got that tape, too, and I think there’s something to it… (T) He talks with Hoagland, he’s in contact with Hoagland… (D) Terry, do you want to ask about what the individuals in this group are going to do in the future?

A: Discover.

Q: (T) Is Jan’s mom’s estate going to be settled relatively quickly and easily?

A: Yes

Q: (T) Is it going to make everybody happy, the outcome? A:

Subjective. Open.

Q: (T) When we were talking about other people, let me throw another name out here, Robert Dean, do you know who he is?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) Is he telling the truth as he knows it?

A: Some.

Q: (T) Is there more to what he knows, he’s just not telling all of it?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) Is he as honest and up front as he seems to be?

A: Subjective.

Q: (T) Is he doing disinformation for the government?

A: No.

Q: (T) He’s really a good speaker. Is he doing disinformation for anyone?

A: No. Withholds.

Q: (T) He’s withholding information?

A: Some.

Q: (J) He’s withholding MJ12 information? (T) Well, it could be anything. He’s made several sweeping statements and has lots of facts and figures and stuff that he was privy to when he was in the military in NATO, was all that information abou the “Assessment” and all that stuff all true?

A: Close.

Q: (T) Was he allowed to see it on purpose?

A: No.

Q: (T) So his story about that it was there in the security vault, and because he had access and because he was able to see it, and that he just was intrigued by it is true?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) Okay. Is he going to tell the rest of what he knows?

A: Open.

Q: (T) Is he in danger because he is telling the truth? A:


Q: (T) Also, it’s smart to tell the truth as loudly as you can, and in front of as many people as you can. He’s an amazing speaker, and the things he has to say…. to me, his body language is that he’s telling the truth. I have a question about a friend, Nova Montgomery, is she open to this?

A: Maybe.

Q: (T) We’ve told her some about this, does she.. how does she feel?

A: Maybe.

Q: (T) How does she feel about what we’ve told her so far?

A: Skeptical.

Q: (C) What is my son’s next duty station?

A: Open. Will he even stay in?

Q: (C) There’s someone who owes me a great deal of money, will they pay within the next few months?

A: You must act upon this.

Q: (T) Will Chuck have to go as far as taking him to court?

A: Likely.

Q: (T) Does Chuck have a good lawyer? Humor! mirth! Don’t answer that! All the good ones are in California right now! Oh, OJ. I think even they are bored with OJ by now! (J) Are you bored with OJ by now?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) What major event is happening under the cover of the OJ trial right now?

A: None.

Q: (T) You mean we’re just getting stuck with all this snow, and there ain’t even anything happening?

A: Diversion by opportunity.

Q: (T) What a waste of a good diversion if there isn’t anything going on! Here’s this great diversion and they don’t even have anything to hide behind it! (D) Is Sara having some problems that she’s not coming to me about?

A: Yes.

Q: (D) Is there anything that you can tell me about this?

A: Diana, communicate, as we told you.

Q: (D) What did I forget? (T) What have you been doing on your own? (J) Have you been ‘surfing’ the cosmos on your own? Surfing the board, so to speak? (T) Well, it will come to you; they’ve told you something and it will come back. (D) Would you mind clarifying that, I don’t know… (T) What was it you told her?

A: Communicate, don’t preach.

Q: (D) Thanks for the help, yeah, you’re right. Is there anything else I can do to help Sarah?

A: Learn.

Q: (J) Do you have any messages for any of us tonight?

A: No.

Q: (T) Do you have anything you would like to communicate to the group?

A: Not this session.

Q: (T) You predicted a quake in Japan, near Osaka, several sessions back, you were off by the magnitude a little bit and by the miles a little bit, but basically you were correct. What between that prediction and the prediction for the Tokyo quake can Japan expect?

A: Not correct interpretation. Osaka quake yet to be.

Q: (T) So this was not the quake that you predicted the 8.9, this was a 7.2, but it was miles distance from Osaka almost right on the money, but this was not the quake that you predicted? (J) There’s going to be another one coming?

A: Yes 14 more this sequence. (?? 14 more this sequence ??)

Q: (T) 14 more quakes? (J) I’m sorry, I’m losing it real bad tonight, I don’t know why. {She was referring to her inability to keep up with the speed of delivery.} (D) Are you breaking up? (J)

No, it’s me. Please repeat the answer. (T) We’re having problems down here in 3rd density this evening!


Q: (T) This is one in a sequence of earthquakes that are going to culminate in the 8.9?

A: 9 pt 6

Q: (T) In Osaka, near Osaka?

A: Tokyo.

Q: Okay, that’s the one you talked about, then a 9.6, that’s going to be the culmination of the quakes in this. This is only the 3rd or 4th in a sequential series and the 8.9 that’s going to hit them hasn’t happened yet.

A: 7th.

Q: (T) This is the 7th earthquake?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) 7.2 was the 7th earthquake, there’s going to be 14 of them, is that what you said before?

A: Yes.

Q: (J) So there’s 7 more coming? (T) So the 14th one will be the big one, in Tokyo?

A: 13th.

Q: (T) Okay, the 13th is going to be the 9.6 and I think the other prediction was 9.8, they’re close. That’ll be the 13th. What will be the 8.9, which one of those will be the Osaka 8.9?

A: Within next 4.(in the sequence?)

Q: (T) What will the 14th be?

A: Small.

Q: (T) So they’re going out anticlimactically on the last quake. Is Mt. Fujiyama going to explode, is the volcano going to become active again?

A: Maybe.

Q: (T) Will these quakes, is China, Korea, Philippines and the surrounding area also going to be affected as these quakes increase in strength?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) Are we talking about putting about 30% of the world’s industrial output out of business in the next year and a half or so?

A: No.

Q: (T) They’re not going to recover anytime soon, ok so when this all happens is there going to be an effect on California of all of this, on the West Coast of this country?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) Not just California. Is Los Angeles going to be hit with any of these big earthquakes as the plate on the other side moves?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) What magnitude?

A: 8.9

Q: (T) Where will that happen?

A: San Gabriel Mountains.

Q: (T) Is that outside of Los Angeles? San Andreas Fault line?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) Will this be very destructive to Los Angeles?

A: What do you think?

Q: (T) In the destruction of this area, is this going to increase the job potential on the East Coast, in order to then, this is really serious stuff here, because this is going to affect the economy the way it shifts…

A: Yes.

Q: (T) So it…

A: Mass exodus from California.

Q: (T) Those dumb people out there looked at that Osaka stuff and said, “Oh, you know, that might happen to us. OHHH, boy, the brain finally fired up out there. (J) They’ve been in denial about that out there… (D) Will that bring an influx of people to Florida?

A: Yes. 15 quakes.

Q: (D) And then they’re going to move. (T) 15 quakes in the California area?

A: In near future.

Q: (T) Are we talking strictly the West Coast here?

A: California.

Q: (T) Are there going to be earthquakes elsewhere in the United States?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) 15 in the near future in California alone… (D) This is the beginning of the destruction of the state of California, there’ll be separation from the North American continent. (T) Well, they said don’t take that literally, or it will fall off, it’s symbolic…

A: Open.

Q: (T) So look at it symbolically. (D) Okay. (J) Where are the other quakes going to be?

A: Hundreds.

Q: (T) Hundreds? Hundreds of earthquakes. Hundreds of places?

A: Yes.

Q: There’s going to be that many additional earthquakes? Beside the 15 in California?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) We’re going to be rocking and rolling on this continent! Of course, when you move a plate, that’s a lot of stuff. Are we going to be seeing a lot of water damage on the coast?

A: Open.

Q: (T) Is the West Coast of Florida going to see a rising water level?

A: That is vague.

Q: (T) Is there going to be earthquakes in Florida?

A: Seismically stable.

Q: (T) Will the seismic activity cause the water level in Florida to go up?

A: No.

Q: (T) So, for the time being, during the quakes, we’ll be fairly safe, but there’s other things to worry about beside that?

A: Storms.

Q: (D) are we talking hurricanes?

A: Cyclonic.

Q: (J) Will there be any damage from such storms in this area?

A: Open.

Q: (C) Are these caused by nature? (T) Is all this activity being.. is natural?

A: Close.

Q: (D) If I were to go down to Hiala Dean’s, is there anything I can do in the way of healing that would help him?

A: Open.

Q: Laura says goodnight. We’re closing up

A: Bye


3.9 February 9, 1995

Frank, Laura, S

Q: (L) Hello.

A: Hello. Very good.

Q: (L) What is very good?

A: All.

Q: (L) I have here Barbara’s latest book… {Marciniak}

A: Ego driven.

Q: (L) This book is ego driven? So this is not so much true channeling as ego?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Is there any possibility that she has been corrupted and is channeling Lizzies?

A: No. Under pressure, constriction.

Q: (L) So, the pressure has constricted the flow. I think I would like to ask a few questions about Frank and his tiredness. What can we do to help Frank with his tiredness?

A: Nothing, it is process of progress.

Q: (L) I want to ask a little bit about this process of “unwinding” S__ has been facilitating with my body. Have you guys been watching?

A: Always. You have just accessed and outed globules of energy.

Q: (S) It’s an energy cyst. (L) What is the original reason for the presence of the energy?

A: Anger from age 22 when you were in severe depression and had plans for suicide. The negative energy went to your arms. {was there some past life impetus for depression at this particular age?}

Q: (L) Is that what is wrong with my neck, also?

A: No. That is fibrous tumor.

Q: (S) Is my work going to help diminish it?

A: Maybe.

Q: (L) S__ has been having unusual experiences in awareness as she reads the transcripts…

A: We are blasting open her awareness.

Q: (L) Well, she has been having quite a bit of success by following her inner guidance. She has also been accessing knowledge as she reads the transcripts, even well in advance of others, it seems. Is this correct?

A: Open.

Q: (L) I went to talk to the group in Orlando area and I am sure you guys had your secret eye camera while I was there. What I would like to know is what thoughts were in the mind of Jiles Hamilton and how did he react to my talk?

A: This ego is sexually focused and he reacts mainly to what he has to say.

Q: (L) Okay